Army Imprisons Soldier for Singing Against Stop-Loss Policy, page 1

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 10:55 AM

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Army Specialist and Iraq war veteran Marc Hall was incarcerated by the US Army on December 11, 2009, in Liberty County Jail, Georgia, for recording a song that expresses his anger over the Army's stop-loss policy

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Stop-loss is a policy that allows the Army to keep soldiers active beyond the end of their signed contracts.

Hall, (aka hip hop artist Marc Watercus), who is in the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, was placed in Liberty County Jail for the song (click here to listen to "Stop-Loss," by Marc Watercus), in which he angrily denounces the continuing policy that has barred him from exiting the military.

Hall is opposed to the occupation of Iraq, and had told his commander he would not deploy if ordered. His unit deployed to Iraq without him in mid-December, but this is not why Hall is in jail, as he was jailed before his unit was sent to Iraq.

Jason Hurd, an Iraq war veteran who has been assisting Marc Hall, told Truthout that he believes the military is overreacting to Hall's song due to the November 5 shooting at Fort Hood.

Hurd also feels the case underscores an underlying hypocrisy within the military.

"From a military that has us, while we're jogging, chant in cadence about killing babies, to then come down on someone for writing an angry song, is ludicrous," Hurd added, "Marc is just expressing the anger that 13,000 soldiers are feeling right now, because there are currently that many who are stop-lossed. All he did was make his opinion heard."

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Just another example of how insane this military really is...

And did I read that right..?....."jogging and chanting about 'killing babies'".....

And to think, there are some people who can't believe that the thread "U.S. Troops handcuff, execute Afghan children" can be true...

Semper Fi...

Carseller4

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:03 AM

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I don't think he was singing...he was rapping. Big difference.

Stop Loss is the biggest Military Myth out there.

You sign up for 8 years of military service when you join. Nobody is made to serve past that 8 years without re-enlisting.

rcwj1975

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:07 AM

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This topic is already being talked about here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But let me say this...6 years active duty Army, run many a mile, sang many a cadence, and NOT ONE mentioned killing kids/children/etc....kill the enemy..of course...thats the point!

star in a jar

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:21 AM

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reply to post by Carseller4
8 years is a long time, especially in a dangerous war zone fighting a unpopular war.

People sign up, but many hope they never need to see actual combat where they are going door to door, navigating through freedom fighter or terrorist (take your pick) threats, knowing that a IED or sniper's bullet could be around the corner.

For someone to survive 8 years in Iraq as a foot soldier...

Carseller4

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:30 AM

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I really wish ATS didn't have a policy about slamming people.

I'll take your response to mean that you have never served in the military, never plan to, and have very little knowledge of the military.

I'll leave it at that.

rainfall

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by rcwj1975

kill the enemy..of course...thats the point!

Do you really know who the enemy is..?...or is the enemy who you are told they are..?...ya gotta start thinking for yourself..

rcwj1975

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 11:39 AM

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The situation dictates the enemy rainfall. This is no longer trench warfare. The days of lining up 50 yards apart in blue and red coats, then blue and gray coats is long over. The days of both sides wearing distinct uniforms on the same battlefield are gone. These days it is confusing to a soldier to determine who is the enemy, let alone a civilian NOT deployed.

WAR is an abused power. We all get that. But WAR is also necessary to suppress true evil. Does the US government abuse WAR for personal and political gain....of course. But there is also places we go, people we kill, things we do that DO make life better for those we assist. Having been to some places that would make you kiss the ground you live on, trust me...killing people can be VERY necessary.

yak055h

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 12:59 PM

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Urge people to think for themselves? Inferring that those who serve do not think for themselves and are clueless when enlisting is insulting to them and a little elitist. You are asking them to give up their beliefs in what they are doing and follow your thinking. Isn't that kind of like your indictment of not thinking for themselves and instead following you? How is it different?

I understand that rhetoric is an effective part of posting opinions but I gotta ask a straight up question; does anyone truly believe that U.S. troops handcuff and execute Afgan children as policy and doctrine? I'm not referring to some piece-of-crap sociopaths that you will find in any community the size of the number of troops in middle east but as doctrine as you make it sound.

Peace.......yak055h

rainfall

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by rcwj1975
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WAR is an abused power. We all get that. But WAR is also necessary to suppress true evil. Does the US government abuse WAR for personal and political gain....of course...killing people can be VERY necessary.

What happens when the military-industrial-congressional-complex becomes 'true evil'..?....

Originally posted by yak055h
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Urge people to think for themselves? Inferring that those who serve do not think for themselves and are clueless when enlisting is insulting to them and a little elitist. You are asking them to give up their beliefs in what they are doing and follow your thinking. Isn't that kind of like your indictment of not thinking for themselves and instead following you? How is it different?

I'm not telling anyone to think like me...I'm just saying think before you act...

rcwj1975

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by rainfall
What happens when the military-industrial-congressional-complex becomes 'true evil'..?....

The 300 million plus people of the US need to stand together and stop it. Will that happen??? never...people just don't want to be bothered by it...we are the IF IT DOESN'T EFFECT MY LITTLE PEICE OF THE PIE THEN WHO CARES people....we only care when it directly effects us....

Asktheanimals

posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 02:49 PM

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This is going to snowball and help persuade many kids from joining. He wouldn't have gotten much attention except for the fact that the pentagon put him in jail. Now the whole country gets to hear his song and see what it''s all about over ther in Iraq. Can you say backfire? I wish this guy all the luck, rapping isnt against military rules when it's done off duty. Not exactly Dr. dre, I don't think he has a rap career ahead of him.

DINSTAAR

posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 02:58 PM

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I really wish ATS didn't have a policy about slamming people.

I cannot find in his post where he deserved slamming. I don't even see an edit mark.

I'll take your response to mean that you have never served in the military, never plan to, and have very little knowledge of the military.

Then you go slamming him anyway.

Why do people that have served in the military always like to point out that others haven't when they cannot explain a formal response?

Does my response tell you I have never been in the military?

My issue with stop-loss is that when people join the Army, they are lead to believe that the length of their enlistment is final, but it is not.

If you enlist in the Army for 4 years, they could, contractually, keep you an additional 4 years, up to 8 years. If you enlist for 6 years, they could keep you two more... etc.

I think this is misleading and I would much rather serve next to someone not being forced to be there then someone that expected to get out 6 months ago.

This particular soldier was angry and I would be too if I were him. His rhythms aren't that interesting, but his anger is substantiated.