The purpose of Islam.

reply to post by TinFoilHatMan55


Your purely speculating on this. If it was in fact Islam that made progress in terms of science and technology they are the ones that should be forward when compared to other nations, as you mention that they had science way back in the middle ages. But we see that it is in fact the west thats ahead when compared to the rest of the world. Wow the amount of bluff in that statement!

Originally posted by seattletruth
You are right. Islam was created to make sure that there would always be religion in the world. But not ANY religion.

Islam is differentiated from other religions in that there is NOTHING between the worshipper and God.

No intercessor.

No idol.

No image.

No priest.

No rabbi.

No centralized church.

Even Muslims believe that Muhammad cannot help anybody.

All prayer goes to God alone.

Also... I believe that Muhammad was a true messenger of God, and the Quran was not written by man.

Islam was brought to bring religion back on TRACK. The Jews had it right at first, but screwed it up by altering their Torah and then adding the Talmud, etc.

Jesus was a true messenger of God, but again the Christians screwed it up by altering their scriptures and altering the word (and message of God). Not to mention that they were worshiping a human.

There are countless numerical miracles in the Quran, and even a 19 based mathematical code. Google "Code 19 Quran" and see what I mean.

God brought Islam to bring religion back to what it should be.

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False. Compare the koran to the king james bible, And you will find a index that is oddly similar to each other...

And thats not my only complaint.

Second if people would stop putting such a emphasis on God and focus more on themselves / well being, The world would be a better place.

Now i'm not saying I don't believe in God. I just don't believe these books were brought by God. Maybe a false god, but not God, I mean if they were brought by God. Our world would be perfect, Right? Because he is perfect and why would he want us living in inperfection. He doesn't, but these books do.

Just a thought... who really knows...Until we die , I guess.

reply to post by anoymous7


Um because the Quran has some similar stories as the Bible that makes it false?

Didn't I just say that the scriptures of the Bible were inspired by the SAME GOD as the Quran?

Wouldn't that mean that they've be inherently similar?

The stories in the Quran are NOT the same though. Many big differences.

Also. Did you google "code 19"? How can you say it's false without researching? Oh yeah, I forgot, you're just biased.

Why is it that people at the time of Muhammad were using a Lunar calandar (354 days a year), but in the Quran it says the word "Days" exactly 365 times? It says the word "month" 12 times. And says the word "day"(singular) 30 times.

Coincedence?

In the Quran it predicts that the "moon will split" before the end of the world. Rocks were taken from the lunar surface by astronauts in 1969... That was lunar year 1389. How many verses til the end of the Quran from that prophecy? Exactly 1389.

Coincedence?


Remember I said there is a 19 based numerical code?


* The Quran consists of 114 chapters, which is 19 x 6.
* The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.
Note that 6 + 3 + 4 + 6 = 19.
* The word "God" (Allah) occurs in the Quran 2698 times,
and this number equals 19 x 142.
* The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).
* "The Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times, 19 x 3.
* The first verse, known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
* The word "proof" is written throughout the entire Quran 19 times.


* The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.
* This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, or 19 x 4.
* The first chapter revealed (Sura 96) consists of 19 verses.
* This first chapter revealed is placed atop the last 19 chapters.
* This chapter also consists of 304 letters, or 19 x 16.
* The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of 19 words.
* The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of 19 letters.
* The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000.
The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.


This is just skimming the surface of the numerical code.

Coincedence?


Or is it a true revelation directly from God?

reply to post by seattletruth


If you are right and that is truly God's word then I must sdaly refuse God's will and suffer his rath because I will not persecute women, strip myself of freedom, do anything that has to do with 'jihad', or allow some book to dictate my way of life. If I want to sleep with women before marriage that is no ones business but my own, if my friends are gay and they want to marry other gays that is not up to anyone to decide but them they will suffer God's rath if that is his word. Quran,Tohra, Bible they are all crap and I do believe in God, very strongly too but since I cannot prove there is a God i cannot truly be theist.

reply to post by seattletruth


Well if so what does 19 have to do with God? Maybe I'm mis understanding but any smart person could come up with that, it doesn't take a miracle from God to write things in 19 it just takes someone with patience, time, and good math skills.

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by anoymous7

 

Um because the Quran has some similar stories as the Bible that makes it false?

Didn't I just say that the scriptures of the Bible were inspired by the SAME GOD as the Quran?

Wouldn't that mean that they've be inherently similar?

The stories in the Quran are NOT the same though. Many big differences.

Also. Did you google "code 19"? How can you say it's false without researching? Oh yeah, I forgot, you're just biased.

Why is it that people at the time of Muhammad were using a Lunar calandar (354 days a year), but in the Quran it says the word "Days" exactly 365 times? It says the word "month" 12 times. And says the word "day"(singular) 30 times.

Coincedence?

In the Quran it predicts that the "moon will split" before the end of the world. Rocks were taken from the lunar surface by astronauts in 1969... That was lunar year 1389. How many verses til the end of the Quran from that prophecy? Exactly 1389.

Coincedence?


Remember I said there is a 19 based numerical code?


* The Quran consists of 114 chapters, which is 19 x 6.
* The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or 19 x 334.
Note that 6 + 3 + 4 + 6 = 19.
* The word "God" (Allah) occurs in the Quran 2698 times,
and this number equals 19 x 142.
* The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).
* "The Quran" is mentioned in the Quran 57 times, 19 x 3.
* The first verse, known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
* The word "proof" is written throughout the entire Quran 19 times.


* The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of 19 words.
* This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters, or 19 x 4.
* The first chapter revealed (Sura 96) consists of 19 verses.
* This first chapter revealed is placed atop the last 19 chapters.
* This chapter also consists of 304 letters, or 19 x 16.
* The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of 19 words.
* The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of 19 letters.
* The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000.
The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.


This is just skimming the surface of the numerical code.

Coincedence?


Or is it a true revelation directly from God?

Yes its a "Coincedence?"

Or maybe it was meant to be like that to keep the sheep in line?

Once again let me reiterate this, I believe in God. I just don't believe in the God of Islam or for that any other Relegion. Now am I wrong? No. God loves all, he wants us to have free choice. Realize it and what you do with it is your matter. Just understand you will probably be dealt with. Something like karma.

reply to post by Misoir


Obviously, you haven't actually read the Quran.

You have only been brainwashed by anti Islamic propaganda that highlight radicalists that have gone far astray from what the Quran teaches.


Until you actually read the Quran, and what it says, for yourself, you will just continue to be ignorant. That's undeniable. You just spout pre-concieved notions and hearsay.

The Quran teaches that there should be NO COMPULSION in religion. It teaches us to respect ALL "children of the scripture", meaning Jews AND Christians. We're not supposed to TRUST them, but Muslims are supposed to RESPECT them.

The Quran only justifies a "jihad" in self defense. It says that we are NOT to be "aggressors".

Like I said, until you actually read the book for yourself, you will continue to show your ignorance.

Don't even try to pretend that you know what Islam is all about. Go back to your FOX news.

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by Misoir

 

Obviously, you haven't actually read the Quran.

You have only been brainwashed by anti Islamic propaganda that highlight radicalists that have gone far astray from what the Quran teaches.


Until you actually read the Quran, and what it says, for yourself, you will just continue to be ignorant. That's undeniable. You just spout pre-concieved notions and hearsay.

The Quran teaches that there should be NO COMPULSION in religion. It teaches us to respect ALL "children of the scripture", meaning Jews AND Christians. We're not supposed to TRUST them, but Muslims are supposed to RESPECT them.

The Quran only justifies a "jihad" in self defense. It says that we are NOT to be "aggressors".

Like I said, until you actually read the book for yourself, you will continue to show your ignorance.

Don't even try to pretend that you know what Islam is all about. Go back to your FOX news.

Ok and your not brainwashed? lol... not trying to get personal ,but come on. Its a book. I have a question for you. Has God talked to you? Has he told you this when you pray to him? Is there something im missing? Please enlighten me as I believe in God and if God really exists I should be enlightened. For it is God's will.

reply to post by seattletruth


First off I respect all religions I just think some a very stupid and crazy. Second I am a Democratic Socialist and hate the NeoCon FOX news so I take deep offense to that. And I have no problem with muslims I think being racist against them is bad because I respect all people and thoughts I just call them as I see them and what I see coming out of the Middle East is not great. I congradulate Islam on some things such as their banking system and it's general teaching to watch for people's welfare but that is as far as I will go in congradulating the Quran. But like you many people have said that the Quran is not bad and dirty like I believe it is so I will definitaly try and find it at my local library so I can read it and get my own judgements on the matter. But as for what I see, hear, read, and watch the Islamic world is bad and they are hardcore into religion so I immediately get the assumption that the Quran is bad.

reply to post by Misoir


Any smart person could write those things? You realize that the Quran was revealed over the course of 23 year years, and was never even written down in the life of Muhammad right? It was memorized by his followers.

They didn't have computers to write it, count the occurrences of each word.

More than that, theres actually sets of letters listed in 29 of the chapters that match the count of the numbers.

Actually parts of the Quran were revealed during times of war (like on Mecca).

You know, think about this. The 19 based numerical code wasn't even discovered until 1974. If it was written by humans, it would have been touted as proof of devine authorship from the very beginning. Most Muslims still don't even know about it today. It was only discovered by use of computers, when they were finally invented.

You can't say that its made up after Muhammad died, because then what revelations did he recite to gain followers in Medina before he went back to Mecca?

It's funny that first the argument was that Muslims are too stupid and hold back learning.

Now the argument is that they're so smart that they could create a massive numerically composed book with many numerical miracles inside, with no computers, without have even written it down.

Moreover, if the Quran *was* written by humans, then why does it give ALL GLORY TO GOD? It sets up worship of him alone, and does not set up a unified church.. If humans wrote it, they would have made it to empower themselves.

Humans DID however write the "hadiths" (the narations of Muhammad's life) that most Muslims follow. That's where the power structure in Islam comes from, and I disagree with it.


[edit on 9-1-2010 by seattletruth]

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by Misoir

 

Any smart person could write those things? You realize that the Quran was revealed over the course of 23 year years, and was never even written down in the life of Muhammad right? It was memorized by his followers.

They didn't have computers to write it, count the occurrences of each word.

More than that, theres actually sets of letters listed in 29 of the chapters that match the count of the numbers.

Actually parts of the Quran were revealed during times of war (like on Mecca).

You know, think about this. The 19 based numerical code wasn't even discovered until 1974. If it was written by humans, it would have been touted as proof of devine authorship from the very beginning. Most Muslims still don't even know about it today. It was only discovered by use of computers, when they were finally invented.

You can't say that its made up after Muhammad died, because then what revelations did he recite to gain followers in Medina before he went back to Mecca?

It's funny that first the argument was that Muslims are too stupid and hold back learning.

Now the argument is that they're so smart that they could create a massive numerically composed book with many numerical miracles inside, with no computers, without have even written it down.

Moreover, if the Quran *was* written by humans, then why does it give ALL GLORY TO GOD? It sets up worship of him alone, and does not set up a unified church.. If humans wrote it, they would have made it to empower themselves.

Humans DID however write the "hadiths" (the narations of Muhammad's life) that most Muslims follow. That's where the power structure in Islam comes from, and I disagree with it.


[edit on 9-1-2010 by seattletruth]

I don't believe muslims are stupid, simply just misinformed. Now after that being said if you could reply to my previous statement it would be much appreciated. As God put you and me in the same thread for a reason... At least thats what im hoping lol...

reply to post by Misoir


OK I want to congratulate you on realizing that you might be speaking about things that you don't actually know for sure.

You don't even have to go to library if you want a copy of the Quran, go to this webpage and they will mail you one for free, no questions asked. www.islamtomorrow.com...

Also.. For all the people that believe in a God, but don't believe in any religion, I ask you this.

If there *is* a God, wouldn't he want people to follow the right path? Wouldn't he send messengers to many communities over the years to help guide people?

Wouldn't he send down scriptures to those messengers to help make sure the message reached many people?

Now, of course, humans always have free will and are able to change those scriptures to help empower themselves.. That's obviously the case of what happened with Christianity, Catholisism, etc.

If you accept that God must have sent down messengers... Then why would you deny a messenger that advocates the worship of only God, with no idols or intercessor beside him?

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by Misoir

 

OK I want to congratulate you on realizing that you might be speaking about things that you don't actually know for sure.

You don't even have to go to library if you want a copy of the Quran, go to this webpage and they will mail you one for free, no questions asked. www.islamtomorrow.com...

Also.. For all the people that believe in a God, but don't believe in any religion, I ask you this.

If there *is* a God, wouldn't he want people to follow the right path? Wouldn't he send messengers to many communities over the years to help guide people?

Wouldn't he send down scriptures to those messengers to help make sure the message reached many people?

Now, of course, humans always have free will and are able to change those scriptures to help empower themselves.. That's obviously the case of what happened with Christianity, Catholisism, etc.

If you accept that God must have sent down messengers... Then why would you deny a messenger that advocates the worship of only God, with no idols or intercessor beside him?

or continue ranting on.