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Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
So....a total of 560 calories in one meal (two Peanut butter sandwiches). Sounds good. Except you're looking at 44g of carbs per meal. 3 meals a day and you've got 1680 calories. That would net you a negative energy balance.
Plus you'd be eating 4 slices of bread per meal. That's hardly a healthy diet.
And how many families will actually eat the same thing for every meal, everyday? They don't live (on average) on the same foods at every meal. I mean, let's be realistic here. Wouldn't your point, by comparison, be moot as well?
And do you seriously think pasta is healthy (pre-packaged or homemade)?
Well, since you brought it up, let's talk about it. What about salt makes it one of the biggest factors?
-Dev
Originally posted by hadriana
In biology 101, I was taught, Water goes where salt lives.
increase the salt, and you increase the water weight.
Now, about bread... lol I'd like to see someone make and eat bread with no salt. I'll pass though.
I've forgot my salt before and thrown entire loaves out to the chickens to pay for it. Salt not only is used for flavor, but the bread does not rise right or develop gluten right without it.
Also, when you are adding up your cost for your lasagne, you're leaving out meat and mozzarella and Parmesan cheese. Now, I can live without the meat, but almost any lasagna recipe you'll see has more than just ricotta cheese in it! That's really not that fair a cost comparison, IMO.
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I was giving an example lunch, not an entire diet, but please don't forget the apple. I suppose the point was that you can do it, and that was using more expensive "natural" or "organic" items.
Pasta is not unhealthy, nor is any other type of meal in particular if the portion sizes aren't huge or lop-sided.
No one here suggests eating 4 baked potatoes for a meal.
I add salt and enjoy salt, but I do not have a weight issue so it's really up to the age, activity, and health of the individual.
Originally posted by Badgered1
I think the biggest problem is really portion control. People just need to eat a little less.
I was in a restaurant in PA where they have "All you can eat Ribeye steak.
A 12 oz. steak, plus veggies, and mashed potatoes isn't enough for dinner?
I eat steaks. I eat carbs. I eat junk food sometimes. I eat salads. I love my vegetables. I just don't eat enormous amounts of food.
Originally posted by unicorn1
Well people I know who went to America say the meals are HUGE. Is that true?
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
I was giving an example of a college kid's diet. And if you use anything less than "natural" then you're looking at a less healthy meal.
Pasta is indeed unhealthy, especially the meal you gave as an example that excludes meat. You really shouldn't focuse on total calories and portion sizes; it's a moot point. You realize that you're saying caloric quantity is more important than quality.....
Obesity is not caused by overeating. Growing vertically and growing horizontally are very similar physiologically and have little to do with total calories consumed (except extreme caloric restriction).
Salt will add weight, not fat. Sodium causes water retention, therefore, water weight. The cool thing is, insulin causes sodium retention. So if you're consuming so many carbohydrates and spiking insulin at every meal then you'll be retaining plenty of water. And a nice little side effect of water retention is hypertension. (note: insulin also causes magnesium to be secreted, which exacerbates the hypertension problem.)
-Dev
[edit on 11-1-2010 by DevolutionEvolvd]
Originally posted by l neXus l
im not slagging the People, im slagging America for the food they allow! the FDA allows way to many things in their foods that contribute to diseases, like diabiteis cancer and obesity
get rid of the
HFCS
get rid of the MSG
Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Simply, I am not saying quantity over quality.
I think the point of our conversation has been lost in minutia.
Americans are fat for a variety of reasons......
There are many causes for obesity.
Originally posted by glitchinmymatrix
Originally posted by l neXus l
im not slagging the People, im slagging America for the food they allow! the FDA allows way to many things in their foods that contribute to diseases, like diabiteis cancer and obesity
get rid of the
HFCS
get rid of the MSG
I guess you're the type to think people need big governments to protect them. People are free to leave the salt and MSG and other products on the shelf if they want. I've consumed MSG and HFCS and alcohol and other things some people consider unhealthy, and here I am within a good weight range. In fact I jog on a regular basis, weather permitting. So, I'm proof that these things you speak of as unhealthy do not cause obesity, and I don't have cancer either.
It's the lifestyle that makes a person fat or not. It is a choice, albeit a difficult one for some people. Some people are addicted to drugs or alcohol, and some are addicted to food; it makes them feel better to eat so they eat a lot and a lot of the 'wrong' foods. Still, the point is that there is no substances in foods that cause obesity. It's simply food itself and a desire to eat it.
Weird how outlandish some of the posts are on ATS...
Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
Sorry for assuming and misunderstanding.
Perhaps......it happens though. ADD?
I guess since the thread is on obesity, we can have a chat about that.
Yes, there are many reasons why Americans are obese, but there is one prominent cause.
Obesity is a disease of chronic fat deposition. Pretty simple. And what regulates fat deposition? Hormones; predominately, Insulin.
For the majority of people, the negative stimulus of insulin will cause fat to flow freely into/out of the cells and will net a loss of weight.
-Dev