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Jan, 26, 2010 Obama Going To Trial On His Illegal Alien Status

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posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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I would suggest everyone watch the following excellent documentary:













posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Donny 4 million

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[edit on 9-1-2010 by Donny 4 million]


Hello Donny 4 million

Thank you for responding.

No need to curse.

I answered for myself. I thought there was a question that I had a few answers for. Was the question, a question?

I did not know that answering a question posed to someone else in a thread was some sort of aberrant behavior.

Why are you being rude? and casting aspersions? Did I insult you some way?

I'm not tag team player, is that some ATS posting taboo?

Is the best argument you can put up, to personally assail me?

I believe one can turn a phrase without resorting to personal attacks.

Why the sexual harassment?

I'm a man, why are you saying I wear a skirt?

More important, why are you interested in what's under it?

Oldagger, sounds like a male.

Is that some other inference on your part?
I am heterosexual, but I still fail to see your point in posing this supposition.

Why should you presume to take such liberties with a stranger.

In a civilized world, people can engage in civil discourse, don't you agree?

I will presume your behavior to indicate that you feel somewhat defensive, and briefly lost your sense of decorum.

If I may presume your gender as male? Since having a male handle, in your case is not indicative of gender.

Thou, protests too much Sir. It is said that a man that so behaves, is sure to be foisted by his own petard.

I you emotions are fragile, I offer my condolences, and sincere apologies.

If it was something I articulated, then a simple rebuttal, would suffice.

You have thoroughly confused me.

You owe me an explanation, and or an apology.

Ziggy


[edit on 9-1-2010 by ziggystrange]



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Major Ed Dames has just pinned his colours to the mast and declared on Coast to Coast that Obama was born in Kenya. Kasuma (spelling?) district, West Kenya.

www.youtube.com...




posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by emmiem
Major Ed Dames has just pinned his colours to the mast and declared on Coast to Coast that Obama was born in Kenya. Kasuma (spelling?) district, West Kenya.


and how did he do that? by "remote viewing"! and the course will only cost you $300 and then you will be able to predict things just like Ed does, like the way he predicted that a large quake would hit the Carson City, NV area, and that Israel would attack Iran, both by around October 2009.

Except that those never happened, nor has any of his other predictions either!



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by emmiem
Major Ed Dames has just pinned his colours to the mast and declared on Coast to Coast that Obama was born in Kenya. Kasuma (spelling?) district, West Kenya.


and how did he do that? by "remote viewing"! and the course will only cost you $300 and then you will be able to predict things just like Ed does, like the way he predicted that a large quake would hit the Carson City, NV area, and that Israel would attack Iran, both by around October 2009.

Except that those never happened, nor has any of his other predictions either!



Well thanks for that information. I wasn't really planning a course of remote viewing for myself - just pointing out that Ed Dames has put his reputation where his mouth is and declared Kenya to be Obama's birthplace. Whatever his track record in the past you can't prove him right or wrong and neither can I. Just a fact.

As a bystander so to speak because I'm from the UK and don't have any axe to grind - I am absolutely gobsmacked that the holder of the most prestigious office of the most powerful country in the world, the POTUS, cannot or will not offer sight of his birth certificate. Not talking here about duplicates, certified copies, certificates of live birth or online photoshop efforts, but the original Birth Certificate of which there is only ever one unique copy. Surely it's the first thing he would shove in your face before you could say 'Obama's the new pres', if there was even the slightest question.

If I were you folks in the US I would stop wasting time with court cases asking for a viewing of his Birth Certificate and seriously start asking 'Why???'. Who or what would go to those absurdly farcical lengths and for what reason? That's the question you need to be asking yourselves because if America goes down, so does the rest of the free (so far) world.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by emmiem
Well thanks for that information. I wasn't really planning a course of remote viewing for myself - just pointing out that Ed Dames has put his reputation where his mouth is and declared Kenya to be Obama's birthplace. Whatever his track record in the past you can't prove him right or wrong and neither can I.


I can certainly prove him wrong (he actually has never predicted anything correctly) as Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and is the proper POTUS


I am absolutely gobsmacked that the holder of the most prestigious office of the most powerful country in the world, the POTUS, cannot or will not offer sight of his birth certificate.


Except he has, but do not let the facts stop your rant!


Who or what would go to those absurdly farcical lengths and for what reason?


Very simple, the birthers hate the fact that a black man is the POTUS, so they put up fake "Grand Juries", forged birth certificates and court cases that get quickly thrown out, and in one case the lawyer gets fined $20,000 for

"Counsel’s frivolous and sanctionable conduct wasted the Defendants’ time and valuable judicial resources that could have been devoted to legitimate cases pending with the Court.......At the hearing, counsel failed to make coherent legal arguments but instead wasted the Court’s time with press conference sound bites and speeches."



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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'I can certainly prove him wrong (he actually has never predicted anything correctly) as Obama was born in Hawaii as his birth certificate shows, and is the proper POTUS

Except he has, but do not let the facts stop your rant!

Very simple, the birthers hate the fact that a black man is the POTUS, so they put up fake "Grand Juries", forged birth certificates and court cases that get quickly thrown out, and in one case the lawyer gets fined $20,000 for '

.......

Hate to dispute your wisdom, but you cannot prove Ed Dames wrong unless you can provide the original please note the word, original, Birth Certificate. Perhaps you're the only one who knows where it is?

I do believe you're the one that's having the rant, randomly tossing the race card around. We are all incredibly politically correct here in the UK having been trained to obey our Great Socialist Leader from infancy, so trust me no one gives a winkies toss if your president is pink, blue, black, white, yellow or any other shade of primary colour. They are a bit concerned however, that he cannot or will not produce his original Birth Certificate. And are wondering WHY??? It's what people do when faced with accusations of racism, obfuscations and deliberate deceits upon asking a perfectly reasonable question.

So...

'Who or what would go to those absurdly farcical lengths and for what reason?'



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by emmiem[/i
Hate to dispute your wisdom, but you cannot prove Ed Dames wrong unless you can provide the original please note the word, original, Birth Certificate.


Except if you did a little bit of research you would know that the State of Hawaii only gives out exactly what Obama has alredy shown, and that has been verified to be a copy of his birth certificate - that is all he needs, that is all you can get from Hawaii


They are a bit concerned however, that he cannot or will not produce his original Birth Certificate.


except he has produced it! Why do the birthers keep ignoring that fact? Are they stupid?


Who or what would go to those absurdly farcical lengths


As I said, the birthers who hate the fact that Obama is the proper POTUS



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by emmiem
I do believe you're the one that's having the rant, randomly tossing the race card around. We are all incredibly politically correct here in the UK having been trained to obey our Great Socialist Leader from infancy, so trust me no one gives a winkies toss if your president is pink, blue, black, white, yellow or any other shade of primary colour.


Nobody cares what color he is? I am glad you are in contact with everyone so you can do me a favor then. Can you please ask some of that everyone to stop sending me emails about watermelon on the white house lawn or KFC foodstamps or African witch doctor BS in relation to the current president? I would really appreciate that. I have not had the chance to talk to everyone myself so I was assuming that the torrent of racist 'jokes' and emails I get from my neocon friends meant that there was some...well racism involved. You say no so cool. Just ask them to stop sending me things that are overtly racist in tone since it kind of makes it look like there is a race issue involved. Thanks.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by ziggystrange
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This swearing in story, why don't you substantiate your point.

Show us you fact based logic.

Ziggy



Story? There is no story, it's a fact!
Obama's first inauguration was a flub. It may have intentional or it may have been accidental but it is what it is, a flub.
There were millions present to watch him get sworn in and for what?
It didn't even count.
Talk about a major DOH!
They did the do-over the following day, and nobody was present.
Who knows if anything was added or removed from the standard oath.

He took an oath alright, but to do what?
He obviously is not keeping any of the promises he made while he was campaigning.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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That is so sad it's completely laughable.


Oh they misspoke, golly gee willikers, that means Obama didn't really take the oath! There were people in attendance. Who the hell do you think took the damn picture for crying out loud?



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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A formality that required a do-over.
This enough is highly suspicious if you ask me.
The video we see of Obama taking the do-over oath the following day, he has his back to the camera. Nobody witnessed what he was sworn in to do. For all we know the audio track was over dubbed.
Classic move from TPTB.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:12 PM
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First off, the Origional oath actually did count, but Obama figured there would be someone like YOU who would question it, so they took it again in the white house. Overdubbed my ass.

He was actually taking an oath to me.


sad man, really sad.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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In all fairness, here are some facts:

Obama hasn't presented a valid Birth Certificate

Obama and his legal staff can end all these debates and prove the birthers wrong if they just present the evidence.

Is Obama a Citizen of this country? No one knows. One side is trying to figure it out while many Americans hate them for asking questions...imagine that........ and the other side is sealing many documents and not being transparent like they promised. Why is that?

If we as a people stop asking questions...we're fu**ed.

If 911 can be planned and covered up.....why would you refuse to believe "the powers that be" can put a non citizen in a position of power like the white house? Anything is possible now people, please wake up.

I'm not saying Obama is an illegal because it hasn't been proven yet, but he hasn't proven that he is a citizen either....so dwell on that for a while.

Peace!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by emmiem
I do believe you're the one that's having the rant, randomly tossing the race card around. We are all incredibly politically correct here in the UK having been trained to obey our Great Socialist Leader from infancy, so trust me no one gives a winkies toss if your president is pink, blue, black, white, yellow or any other shade of primary colour.


Nobody cares what color he is? I am glad you are in contact with everyone so you can do me a favor then. Can you please ask some of that everyone to stop sending me emails about watermelon on the white house lawn or KFC foodstamps or African witch doctor BS in relation to the current president? I would really appreciate that. I have not had the chance to talk to everyone myself so I was assuming that the torrent of racist 'jokes' and emails I get from my neocon friends meant that there was some...well racism involved. You say no so cool. Just ask them to stop sending me things that are overtly racist in tone since it kind of makes it look like there is a race issue involved. Thanks.


Sorry to hear you're getting a torrent of racist 'jokes' and emails. I don't have any friends who send stuff like that relating to a persons skin colour so have no idea what to suggest other than perhaps finding more intelligent 'friends' with funnier jokes. Having said that maybe some people just are overly sensitive about everything. For instance we had a little book on sale over here a few years ago with all the 'sayings' of President Bush which had us screwed up and rolling about with laughter for hours on end. I didn't see the PC brigade out patrolling alongside the thought police about that.

My response was to the poster who accuses me of racism regardless of the fact that I am talking about a birth certificate, on a thread about a birth certificate, NOT the colour of someones skin. The race card is thrown about a lot and is the recognized standard trademark of a shill who knows they're on shaky ground without a valid argument and simply wants to close the discussion down.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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The timing is curious. It's possible that the shiit is going to hit the fan around Jan 15th. So Obama resigning would put the US into a tailspin which might be part of a plan.
Or it could be that Obama claims the US for Islam when he does present his Kenyan birth certificate.
Love this topic, history would be so much cooler with a scandal.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Spykemann
In all fairness, here are some facts:
Obama hasn't presented a valid Birth Certificate


that is not a fact, that is a lie


Obama and his legal staff can end all these debates and prove the birthers wrong if they just present the evidence.


they have, but the birthers refuse to accept reality


Is Obama a Citizen of this country?


yes he is, he was born in Hawaii


No one knows.


wrong, even the birthers know he was born in Hawaii, they just refuse to accept that Obama was elected POTUS


and the other side is sealing many documents and not being transparent like they promised.


except his birth certificate is on display...


Why is that?


Because some birthers refuse to accept a black man is POTUS


If 911 can be planned and covered up


Except it was not


but he hasn't proven that he is a citizen either.


Yes he has, which is why he will remain the POTUS until the next election

[edit on 10/1/10 by dereks]



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by emmiem
Sorry to hear you're getting a torrent of racist 'jokes' and emails. I don't have any friends who send stuff like that relating to a persons skin colour so have no idea what to suggest other than perhaps finding more intelligent 'friends' with funnier jokes.


Believe me, that thought crosses my mind all the time. The problem is that most of my friends and I have all known each other 20+ years so history and friendship still outweighs the places in which some have grown and some have not. It is not perfect but neither is my handicapped nephew but I will not stop opening his emails any time soon either.

The point was...you said that NO ONE cares about the color of his skin. While I agree that calling anyone that dislikes him racist is pretty stupid since there are plenty of reasons for a person to hate a president, democrat, politician, man, liar, whatever else you would like to add to the list of things befitting all presidents in my lifetime. So I agree it is not all about racism. The problem is when people like you claim that there is no racism involved at all. There is plenty, and I can show it to you.


Having said that maybe some people just are overly sensitive about everything. For instance we had a little book on sale over here a few years ago with all the 'sayings' of President Bush which had us screwed up and rolling about with laughter for hours on end. I didn't see the PC brigade out patrolling alongside the thought police about that.


I am not sure I see your point. Are you comparing a book making fun of stupid statements to something akin to mocking a man's race? Last time I checked, G.W. got to choose whether or not he said stupid things on camera or in front of reporters. Obama is kind of stuck being half black. Maybe I just missed your point because I do agree people are way too sensitive. I like to think I am not one of them and that is why I can overlook my dear friends mental shortcomings.


My response was to the poster who accuses me of racism regardless of the fact that I am talking about a birth certificate, on a thread about a birth certificate, NOT the colour of someones skin. The race card is thrown about a lot and is the recognized standard trademark of a shill who knows they're on shaky ground without a valid argument and simply wants to close the discussion down.


I will half agree with you here. I think it is tossed out all too often, all to easily, and usually with no basis in reality. That does not mean it is the trademark of a shill since some of us are actually aware of the very deep racism running through this country right now. It is real. It is out there. It is the only reason some people have for hating him. This really happens. Your response was that nobody cares what color he is.

I am just pointing out that in fact, many people are far too concerned with what color he is.

If you do not think that racism is alive and well in U.S. politics, just think about how many times you saw Harry Reid mentioned in the last month. How many of those were just since this "Negro" comment thing blew up in his face? Lots and lots of people are actually only concerned with the man's race.

The reason people link racism to the BC issue is because of the country of origin. Basically the message being sent is that he is not only not American, he is AFRICAN!!!!! Do you see how the word Kenya dominates the discussion about the legitimacy of and American president? You do not see the racist propaganda value in that? If he is not American or fit to be president of the U.S. then that is a U.S. thing to discuss about the president of the U.S. and how he fooled the people of the U.S. and the government of the U.S. Yet, what I read is "KENYA KENYA KENYA KENYA."

So... you have the fact that there are indeed racists in the states still. There are indeed people who aim that racism at our president. There are people that flaunt it broadly all over the internet. Read youtube comments sometimes. You can usually count the "N" word more than any reference to the actual video in posts. You add that to these "news" items that keep pushing his KENYAN heritage on you and viola! If it looks like racism, walks like racism, and talks like racism, there is a good chance that it has something to do with some racism.

I am all for questioning legitimacy if you really believe there is an issue. There is not. He has release his B.C. for all to see. People like you refuse to believe that. You can look at yourself and you still insist it is fake or forged or computer generated. You can read statements from all the proper officials but you dismiss that all with no justification. Yet you believe there is an issue based on...................?

Each one of those periods is usually me waiting for the person to come up with a reason besides some racist joke. I am sure you are a far better person than that. You must be intellectually supperior to my friends. I cannot get any of them to just believe nonsense based on nothing but a crazy Russian real estate agent who keeps getting kicked out of court for failing to properly practice law. It must take a special kind of genius for that. Kudos to you and your vast superiority to my friends who simply hate the man for something stupid but at least they can prove he is half black.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:54 PM
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See, here's the major thing you are missing. Barakah Hussain Obama was born to a muslim father, that makes him a muslim. Further, he attended a madrassas in Indonesia which also makes him part of the muslim community. So as far as Islam is concerned, he is one of their subjects. Now what happens next is he is invited back to Islam, since he ventured into a Christian church. If he refuses to go back to Islam he then becomes an apostate.

While it matters his legality in the US, more importantly is the view from Islam and where he belongs. Especially since we are at war with AQ. There are many Islamic principles that make a big difference and will become very important in the next few months in the conflict with the US.



posted on Jan, 10 2010 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Spykemann
If 911 can be planned and covered up.....why would you refuse to believe "the powers that be" can put a non citizen in a position of power like the white house? Anything is possible now people, please wake up.


You just answered your own question. Think about it, they can pull off and cover up 9/11 but they cannot just fake a B.C. to shut you all up or stop this before it even started?

Seriously, why would such a clever and adept government let this go on and on when all it needs is to personalize a birth certificate to each and every one of your specific little standards.


P.S. Please stop saying he has not shown it when it has been pointed out over and over again that he has. If you are going to deny evidence, you have to at the very least try to debunk it as valid evidence. Just ignoring shows agenda driven thinking.



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