Jan, 26, 2010 Obama Going To Trial On His Illegal Alien Status

Originally posted by Nimrod
A certificate of live birth exists, The hospital acknowledges the fact it is in their vault.

Except that no copy of that is issued to anyone by the state of Hawaii

It was always refused to be shown by M. Obama.

He gets no say in it at all - his birth certificate, that is on display, is the one Hawaii issues.

Displaying it would end all that debate.

No it would not - otherwise the debate would have ended when he showed his proper birth certificate!

Leaving the so called birthers with that label of racism.

some would have that label always

At the end, Who's to blame ?

The birthers, as Obama has shown his proper birth certificate

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Edit to replace post which was inadvertently removed.





[edit on 1/11/2010 by yeahright]

As I said on another thread. So much of this could have been avoided,
if that transparency Obama promised, was easier to see.
Then again what does he care if he leaves people confused?
He prolly just figures"at least there occupied".

reply to post by seethelight


The significiance of being born in Kenya goes beyond the Constitutional requirements. If he was born Kenyan in an Islamic fashion then a whole set of circumstances open up to loyalty and which laws Obama would follow. If he follows Sharia Law, which muslims are obligated to do, this trumps the Constitutional Law of the US.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by seethelight

 

The significiance of being born in Kenya goes beyond the Constitutional requirements. If he was born Kenyan in an Islamic fashion then a whole set of circumstances open up to loyalty and which laws Obama would follow. If he follows Sharia Law, which muslims are obligated to do, this trumps the Constitutional Law of the US.

Muslims are born in the U.S. too you know. He could just be a Muslim from Hawaii. Why is Kenya so important to you? If he were a Muslim intent on instituting Sharia law within the U.S. borders...do you really think anyone would let that happen? Be real for a minute now. Even if your fantasy was true, do you think everyone else in government would just go along? He cannot even pass Health Care he HAD SUPPORT FOR and you think he can institute Sharia law???????? Please explain how this would all go down. I really want to know why Kenya matters so much too.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by seethelight

 

The significiance of being born in Kenya goes beyond the Constitutional requirements. If he was born Kenyan in an Islamic fashion then a whole set of circumstances open up to loyalty and which laws Obama would follow. If he follows Sharia Law, which muslims are obligated to do, this trumps the Constitutional Law of the US.

Vaguely interesting point if he was born in Kenya, which he has shown that he wasn't.

The fact that he has IN NO WAY EVEN VAGUELY SHOWN ANY ALLEGIANCE EXCEPT TO AMERICA should help get it through your head that he's an American, not a Kenyan and a PRACTISING CHRISTIAN, NOT A MUSLIM.

By the way, you should tell the secular nations of Turkey and Indonesia that they're supposed to be following Sharia.

en.wikipedia.org...

Have you ever even heard of Indonesia?

Largest Muslim country in the world... SECULAR GOVERNMENT!

Some of this bull# you guys believe is just laughably (and to people like Indonesians, offensively) untrue.

reply to post by randyvs


What's more transparent than producing his birth cert and his drivers license?

The reality is that the birthers are oblivious to the truth. It offends their paranoid (at very best) world view.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by seethelight

 

The significiance of being born in Kenya goes beyond the Constitutional requirements. If he was born Kenyan in an Islamic fashion then a whole set of circumstances open up to loyalty and which laws Obama would follow. If he follows Sharia Law, which muslims are obligated to do, this trumps the Constitutional Law of the US.

Muslims are born in the U.S. too you know. He could just be a Muslim from Hawaii. Why is Kenya so important to you? If he were a Muslim intent on instituting Sharia law within the U.S. borders...do you really think anyone would let that happen? Be real for a minute now. Even if your fantasy was true, do you think everyone else in government would just go along? He cannot even pass Health Care he HAD SUPPORT FOR and you think he can institute Sharia law???????? Please explain how this would all go down. I really want to know why Kenya matters so much too.

Actually Kenya isn't the issue. I'll talk slow so you can understand.
Yes he can institute Sharia Law easily in his position.
If all goes according to plan there will be a dozen US cities hit like 911 and the country will be under marshal law, after that other things fall into place and it won't take long until the president makes decisions not in our best interest.

Originally posted by seethelight
The fact that he has IN NO WAY EVEN VAGUELY SHOWN ANY ALLEGIANCE EXCEPT TO AMERICA should help get it through your head that he's an American, not a Kenyan and a PRACTISING CHRISTIAN, NOT A MUSLIM.

No need to yell bud.
He is an apostate according to Islam. What ever your opinion really doesn't matter. What matters is how Islam sees him because those are the decision makers in the world. And Islam sees him as an apostate. The penalty for an apostate in Islam is quite powerful.

I know in my state of New Jersey, that I must have the long form to get a drivers license.
If I had the one that our President shows on the web I would not be able to get a drivers license. Its a short form of a birth record that does not show all the infornation needed by my state.
Also I have to have the long form to get a passport as well.

So the fact that the web version shows he was born in that state, does not qualify him for a drivers license in NJ. With out the long form, showing all the details he would not be able to get into a federal building in my state. Or drive or have a passport.

What I ask is why does he not provide the long form and all the information to our people so we can make an informed and proved finallity of the question we need to know under the laws of our country. Very simple. Yet the question should be why has this not been produced to us as legal citizens of our great republic.

To many days and months go by and our country needs the answer now, and not months or years from now.

Originally posted by JJay55
Actually Kenya isn't the issue. I'll talk slow so you can understand.

So it is like that is it? OK well you are writing, not speaking. I cannot hear you over here and maybe the problem is that you think I can. Second, it would be "slowly" not "slow" if you are planning to use English which would really be all I need to understand you. Now, go on...

Yes he can institute Sharia Law easily in his position.

So you are just going to say it is so? Your entire argument is the inellectual equivelant of "am not!" I can ask you again and you can just claim it is so again. How about you ACTUALLY try and explain just how you think that the president will be able to force the US to submit to sharia law when they will not even pass a health care bill for him. EXPLAIN THIS.

If all goes according to plan there will be a dozen US cities hit like 911 and the country will be under marshal law, after that other things fall into place and it won't take long until the president makes decisions not in our best interest.

So who will be enforcing martial law exactly? Our government? Our military? The police? You think all these people will just go along with that or do you think Obama will be personally running around breaking into homes and arresting people.

Stop repeating Alex Jones garbled BS and actually to insert some facts, some real information. Explain something instead of just repeating it as if it were simple so at the order of your word.

Which plan is this? I would like to see it. If you have access to this plan and are not spreading it, you are basically helping Obama with his plan against us, aren't you?

[edit on 1/11/10 by Lillydale]

reply to post by Lillydale


I'm not an Alex Jones follower. I think he's full of crap from what I've seen. So your accusations and tone is typical of someone who doesn't wish to hear another side of the story.
Have a nice day.

I am convinced....no,......based on my gut......do I think that Obama has been prepared for the presedentcy ever since he went to college.

Maybe he didn't know it himself at the time but it is the same group of people who gave Bush office instead of Gore or Kerry.

So if it will ever happen that he has to proof he is a US born citizen it will be no problem for him to do so. That trail will be dealed with in the same manner the 9/11 commision got the ones responsible off the hook.

Ofcourse that is only if he is not born in the US. There will be no judge that will accuse him of fraud and make him leave office. Not in a million years.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Lillydale

 

I'm not an Alex Jones follower. I think he's full of crap from what I've seen. So your accusations and tone is typical of someone who doesn't wish to hear another side of the story.
Have a nice day.

So what you are saying is that you cannot answer my questions?

You cannot explain your premises being put forth?

You cannot back up anything you said?

So you are running away from me asking you these things?

Thank you for demonstrating how terribly important it really is to you. I guess you care so much about the truth that when anyone asks you for it...you just walk away?

p.s. if the AJ thing really upset you so much. My appologies. Stop repeating his BS and I would not claim you are saying AJ type things. You are, and that is why I said it. Stop and I could no longer.
Be sure that when future generations ask how you fought hard for the truth...you tell them how the battle went.

"Well kids, we are in a prison camp now because I knew the truth but someone on an internet site commented that my rant was similar to some other guy so I took my truth and went home with it. Now hold your head still for the knife."

True patriots abound around here today.

[edit on 1/11/10 by Lillydale]

reply to post by Lillydale


I'm not answering your questions because your questions are irrelevant to the principles of Islam. The statement I made is factual based on Islamic principle. Very simple to understand that an apostate according to Islam is illegal.

reply to post by JJay55

I'm not answering your questions because your questions are irrelevant to the principles of Islam. The statement I made is factual based on Islamic principle. Very simple to understand that an apostate according to Islam is illegal.

Well thank god he is not a Muslim and does not live in a Muslim country then eh?

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by Lillydale

 

I'm not answering your questions because your questions are irrelevant to the principles of Islam. The statement I made is factual based on Islamic principle. Very simple to understand that an apostate according to Islam is illegal.

No, you are not answering them because you have no answers for them. You are spouting baseless propaganda and I am really glad someone gave you a star for it too. Now there is someone saying thing he cannot back up or even make sense out of and someone else that thinks that is clever or productive somehow. Nice indicator of the mental level of the room today.

This is how it works. You make crazy ass claims about fantastical things.

People will question the validity and logic of some of what you say.

If you refuse to try and back it up or explain it so that anyone besides you will understand or care, then you have nothing and that is why you will not answer my questions.

If you want to believe things based on NOTHING, go for it. If you are going to wander the web promoting it, I will call you on it. Better put anyone that wants evidence or truth or logic on ignore right now.

sharia law?? muslim connection?? socialist?? this man studied and taught constitutional law, he has more expertise in his little finger about the constitution than all the teabaggers combined...jeez, you praise bush who drank himself through yale on daddys legacy, and yet a constitutional scholar (yes, that is what he is) doesn't know anything about the constitution...and no, i don't think he's a messiah, a god, a savior, he is a highly educated man, who not only studied and taught the constitution, but the federalist papers and other written documents authored by the founders of our nation. in other words, he studied the actual context of the written words in the time period of which they were written.
now having said that, he has already done some things that i do not like, but the hyperbolic language of the right, far exceeds any constructive criticism that could be called meaningful, thus, the right is simply fueling its own irrelevance.

Originally posted by zman
I know in my state of New Jersey, that I must have the long form to get a drivers license.
If I had the one that our President shows on the web I would not be able to get a drivers license. Its a short form of a birth record that does not show all the infornation needed by my state.
Also I have to have the long form to get a passport as well.

So the fact that the web version shows he was born in that state, does not qualify him for a drivers license in NJ. With out the long form, showing all the details he would not be able to get into a federal building in my state. Or drive or have a passport.

Are you lying or are you genuinely as ignorant of your own constitution as you indicate? I'm an old granny who has never been out of Australia, and even I know American law better than you seem to.

Each state has the right to set its own standards with official documents such as birth, death and marriage certificates. Every other state has a constitutional duty to accept the official documents of every other state.

New Jersey has to accept the birth certificate Hawaii issues, the one Obama has shown, as legal identification. Every Hawaiian can use this certificate to get a passport, to get married in any state, and to get a license in any state.


Now for the minor issues you brought up:

Unlike Hawaii, new Jersey issues 2 birth documents.

* Certified copies have the raised seal of the office issuing the record and are always issued on State of New Jersey safety paper. Certified copies may be used to establish identity and are legal documents.

* Certifications are issued on plain paper with no seal and clearly indicate they are not valid for establishing identity or for legal purposes. Certifications are generally only useful for genealogy. Certifications of death records do not contain the Social Security Number or the Cause of Death medical terminology.

www.state.nj.us...

The certified copy is the equivalent of Obama's birth certificate, which also has the raised seal of the office issuing the record and is issued on State of Hawaii safety paper. The other certification states clearly it is not a legal document and it has no equivalent in Hawaii, or in most other American states.

Regarding driving licenses, you can get a new Jersey driver's license without showing any birth certificate at all. I would have thought any actual resident of New Jersey would know this.

www.state.nj.us...