For most of my life I've been living with the mindset that the government is the problem, that the government is the bane of all evil. Until today.

Early today, I was having a conversation and realized that the government is not the problem. Humans are. I started to see the government as one figure and not as a group of people. The government is not evil, humans are. The government cannot do anything without support from the public. Deep down humans are inherently evil and racist, the government doesn't commit genocide, the government doesn't kill people in wars, soldiers use wars and their false sense of patriotism to fulfill their base instincts to kill.

Humans are tribal creatures and the majority are instilled with the sense that their culture has the right to expand and dominate other cultures, they purposely elect officials who they believe can do this, even if they don't admit they don't want peace or diversity they want everything to be familiar to them because the familiar isn't as scary.

Peace itself is false, there can be peace under a dictatorship, all humans want is peace on their terms, no matter the consequences for the rest of the world. now I may sound cynical but please understand I want humans to be good, I just now realize that we will never be, while there is a small majority of us who do not think the same way, those we generally call sheeple are not ignorant, they are ignorant by choice. They don't want to know about the real world because deep down they are evil. They want their way of life to be the only way of life.

Maybe it's just the lack of sleep though hahaha.


PS. Feel free to move this anywhere, I am aware it is more a rant then anything.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Occy Anonymous]

I wouldn't say that humans are "Evil" per se... but they are "Children" if you understand my meaning.

Humans have Instincts that are left over from when we actually NEEDED them.

Territoriality, Reproduction (The behaviors involved), etc...

In "Society" or "Civilization" we must work to "Domesticate" ourselves, so that we may live together for the mutual benefit of all.

The problem is that humans tend to revert to their old instincts fairly quickly when they have license to do so.

Like in the case of those in power.

People in power have their "Territoriality" instincts take over, (Because they are less constrained by the dictates of society, and the necessity of society) and thus, they inevitably go mad with power lust.

This manifests in Western society as corporations lobbying representatives to pass laws that are benefit to THEMSELVES, at the expense of the rest of the populous.

On this subject, I am going to have to refer to Frank Herbert:

All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.
-Missionaria Protectiva,
Text QIV (decto)
-Frank Herbert, Chapterhouse Dune

-Edrick

Please explain to me how people voting for Obama on the basis that he will end the war is conducive to their hatefulness. It is the government that has refused to pull the troops out, not the people.

The government controls the media, or manipulates it at the very least, so that people will become fearful, and therefore, easy to rouse. People who go in the army think they are doing something good for their fellow man. There are casualties in war, all the time.

There is evil in the world. It raises it's head and sets it's sights on people who are trusting, who themselves wouldn't manipulate others because they themselves do not manipulate. Ever hear of a wolf in sheep's clothing? These type of people exist, and we know it. The thing is, by manipulating information, they exploit our readiness to slay the wolves and try to make it near impossible to know how evil a supposed enemy is, let alone if he exists.

There ARE some people who hate the west, for sure, but this is not good enough to send in troops. At most, we should provide assistance upon request to countries who see it the way we do. I disagree with your assessment of the state of mind of the troops, it is the corrupt politicians who send them away who are to blame. Notice how it makes no difference who is elected.

I understand both points made, but this means that humans are never going to change, everything else about us has supposedly evolved why not these ideals about territory? No matter what happens Humans will always fight each other and kill whole nations, even if one race comes to supreme power sub-cultures will divide them and more war will start and lead to more war and so on.

It's just really sad. We will never evolve if the majority constantly have this attitude.

okay mate.. your first statement is a contradiction. "I thought the government was the problem. That the government was the bane of all evil" Let me explain something... the BANE of something is its downfall, its destroyer if you will.. not its friend, or foundation. and no. Not all people are bad.

Sure, as Americans we deal with propaganda everyday. We are socially programmed with what to think, and what to do.

But you're right. In the end, we can only blame ourselves.

The Germans living under Hitler were also victims of propaganda, but in retrospect, the blame still falls on them. No excuses. The general population is what enabled it to happen.


The same goes for us today. We can only blame ourselves for letting the governments get perverted. It's our own fault, as humanity. We let it happen.

God gave each and every one of us a set of eyes, a set of ears, and a humongous brain to use. It's each of our responsibility to use them, and not pass the responsibility off to a "scientist" or "scholar" or "politician" and have them do the thinking for us.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by seattletruth]

People in general are not inherently evil. Given the chance most people would leave others alone. Its a small % that gravitates to power.

I agree with you a lot, and have felt this way for a while now.

It is my guess that you have only NOW realized that people are this way because they want to be... and no matter how much we try, this cannot be changed.

We will never evolve into a better species, or be a species that outsiders would be proud to know.

It is true, if there are alien beings watching us, they can easily see how primitive and non-peaceful we are. You can easily reason that if this were you, an advanced species from somewhere else, these humans are nothing but bad news.
We cannot even treat other humans with respect and dignity, despite being more similar than different.... How do you think we would treat a different species altogether??


It is true. People like us can see the truths, while others cannot. The ignorant outnumber us greatly, so the destruction and hell on earth will continue. We are just along for the ride.

With any luck, the human species will end up wiping itself out, and finally another creature or civilization could be given a chance to see if they can do better.
-- Past civilizations have wiped themselves out... I have no doubt we will, too. And maybe this earth could then be used for good, for all of mother nature's beautiful creatures.

Im not a human so im not evil