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Originally posted by mamabeth
The books,articles and videos I have seen and read,strongly state that
these women have to wear the burkas.If you have anything that refutes
what I have posted,then add it to the thread.
I would suggest watching the documentary...Obsession,radical islams war against the west,it is a real eye opener!
Behind the Spread of the Muslim Veil
Generally, Islamic religious scholars cite two verses in the Koran to support their consensus that Muslim women must, or should, cover their hair. The first is Verse 33:59, addressed to the prophet Muhammad and his family: "O Prophet! Tell Thy wives and daughters And the believing women, That they should cast Their outer garments over Their persons (when abroad): That is most convenient, That they should be known (As such) and not molested." Verse 24:31 states, "And say to the believing women That they should lower Their gaze and guard Their modesty; that they Should not display their Beauty and ornaments except What (must ordinarily) appear Thereof; that they should Draw their veils over Their bosoms."
But, writes sociologist Ashraf Zahedi, a scholar in residence at the University of California, Berkeley Beatrice Bain Research Group, "[T]hese citations emphasize modesty and covering the bosom and neck. There is no reference to covering female hair or to the head veil."
Ms. Zahedi is among a small but growing number of female Muslim scholars questioning the long-held consensus on head covering. Leila Ahmed, Amina Wadud, and Asma Barlas, to mention others, argue that because most interpretations of the Koran throughout the ages have been done by men, the holy book's support for gender equality has been obscured.
As Ms. Barlas, a professor of politics at Ithaca College in New York, said in a 2006 address at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands, "I am among those ... who argue that the reason the Koran has been read as a patriarchal text has to do with who has read it, how, and in what contexts. To make it clear, historically only male scholars have read the Koran ... always within patriarchies. That is why I call the dominant reading of Islam a misreading, which implies, of course, that I believe there can be a correct reading of Scripture."
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
o post by DEEZNUTZ
I really dont have a problem with burkas, if women want to wear them then they should. In east london there are women in burkas and orthodox Jewish men and women, whose appearance is also very strange. There are also people in the more arty areas who wear some crazy clothes. People just need to get over themselves and live and let live.
Originally posted by purplemonkey
Originally posted by Occy Anonymous
reply to post by DEEZNUTZ
You are an idiot, How can you say something like that without first living in one of these countries and experiencing the atrocities first hand? Moving shouldn't mean giving up your heritage, people shouldn't assimilate just because others are afraid of change. We need more diversity, not for everyone to be a blank generic clone of one nation.
wait let me get this straight, they shouldn't have to give up their culture... but we have to give up ours... ooookkkkk
[edit on 8-1-2010 by purplemonkey]
Originally posted by Whine Flu
Alright. Looks like it's now time to start fining people that wear hoods over their head when wearing a hooded sweatshirt.
This is fascism, really. Who really cares how people dress? Who even cares about cultural identity? If you need clothes or custom to define who you are as a human, you need to do some really deep thinking. Seriously.
[edit on 8-1-2010 by Whine Flu]
Originally posted by serbsta
Is this too extreme?
Is this necessary?
On the one hand I can see why the French authorities would put laws in place for this, it is related to many identity/security issues. On the other hand I am a supporter of free will and the freedom to practice faith as long as it doesn't put another human being in harms way. What do you think?
More from the source:
Mr Sarkozy has called burkas ‘a sign of subservience that imprison women’, while immigration minister Eric Besson described them as ‘an affront to national identity’.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
[edit on 8/1/2010 by serbsta]
Originally posted by Occy Anonymous
reply to post by DEEZNUTZ
[*SNIP*] How can you say something like that without first living in one of these countries and experiencing the atrocities first hand? Moving shouldn't mean giving up your heritage, people shouldn't assimilate just because others are afraid of change. We need more diversity, not for everyone to be a blank generic clone of one nation.
Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by Occy Anonymous
Quit being a child. Nobody is forcing these people to go to France and there are muslim countries which aren't that bad. If they want that culture not go to where that culture is the norm?
Originally posted by Whine Flu
reply to post by Foppezao
Yeah, those are good points. Personally, I wouldn't hide myself in public as I think it's sorta rude to do. However, I generally think it's up to the individual concerning how they present themselves, and I'm fine with that. Some people present themselves in ways I would never imagine, but that's something they have chosen, and therefore it shouldn't be my concern. Though, of course my judgement does say otherwise.
In a way, it's kinda annoying that the women do present themselves in this manner. They hide a lot of beauty under those veils.
Originally posted by Mikeraphone
They should do this in Australia. I am not allowed to wear a motorbike helmet or balaclava, why should they be able to cover their faces?
My friend used to be a bicycle delivery person and had to take his bike helmet off before entering any building or pretty much doing anything, yet Muslim women are allowed to cover their face all the time...
Im sick of people moving to western countries and expecting western countries to bow to their traditions. Yet if western women visit Islamic countries and decide to wear a miniskirt or even show their arms they are shunned and punished.
[edit on 8-1-2010 by Mikeraphone]