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Originally posted by blueorder
yep, you are right re the nuns' reasoning- main point I was making was at least we know the nuns are not being coerced or oppressed (unless you view them as voluntarily oppressing themselves), as they are pretty free from male involvement
The same cannot be said for these women dressed as beekeepers in the Islamic community................
In France, according to journalist Jane Kramer, veiling among school girls became increasingly common following the 9/11 Attack of 2001, due to coercion by "fathers and uncles and brothers and even their male classmates" of the school girls. "Girls who did not conform were excoriated, or chased, or beaten by fanatical young men meting out `Islamic justice.`"  According to the American magazine The Weekly Standard, a survey conducted in France in May 2003 reportedly "found that 77% of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups." 
Naturally many women who have been brought up with these attitudes will "choose" the traditional coverings for themselves, and, as obedient sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, they will tell themselves it really, really is what they really do want to do.
"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)
Originally posted by December_Rain
Originally posted by project_aurora
Geez this annoys me. what about nuns wearing traditional nun gear :/
They will also be banned under French Authoritarian rules shortly.
VIOLATING ISLAMIC CULTURE? Somalia Islamists detain dozens of beardless men Religious police from Somalia's Al Qaeda-inspired Shebab group arrested and jailed dozens of men for shaving their beards, officals said.
.MOGADISHU, January 8, 2010 (AFP) - Religious police from Somalia's Al Qaeda-inspired Shebab group arrested and jailed dozens of men in the southern city of Kismayo for shaving their beards, officials said Friday.
The clean-shaven men, mostly students in their twenties, were picked up during a raid on Thursday evening for violating a decree made by the Shebab administration in December ordering all men to grow a beard.
"Our units in charge of enforcing good religious practice arrested dozens of residents for shaving their beards, which is banned by the regional Islamic state," local police commander Sheikh Abu Hureyra Abdurahman told reporters.
"They will remain in jail for three days as a punishment for violating Islamic culture, they will be released after that," the police chief said.
Kismayo is Somalia's main southern harbour. Since 2008, it has been under the control of the Shebab, a group whose leader last year proclaimed his allegiance to Osama bin Laden.
"Everybody in town is growing a beard nowadays, if you don't you go to jail for shaving," Muktar Daneyste, a Kismayo resident, told AFP.
"One of my friends is among six people arrested in a teashop yesterday. Some had trimmed beards and others were clean shaven," he said.
The Shebab administration in Kismayo and other parts of southern and central Somalia has imposed a very strict form of Sharia Islamic law -- banning foreign culture and imposing a dress code on both men and women.
Originally posted by searching4truth
It is definitely about responsibility, I completely agree. I do, however, feel that personal responsibility is often brushed aside. Here is an example. My sister in law was recently in her Palestinian town in Israel (Muslim town, mostly) she dresses very conservatively but does not wear hijab. She went to a restaurant with her sister who does wear hijab and they were eating ice cream. Some guy (they do not know him, just some random Palestinian guy) come up behind them and says how he wishes he was the ice cream, so she slapped him across his face. It turned into this whole big situation because she slapped him and embarrassed him (poor baby) it took a few weeks for things to calm down his family wanted some sort of retribution from her family, which they were not willing to do because of what he said. The guys family knew what he did, but refused to believe that he deserved to be embarrassed and that the whole situation was her fault. Neither he nor his family was willing to responsibility for his actions, which were completely unacceptable.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Wasn't her response of slapping him an unnecessary act of violence? What he said was wrong, but don't you think her response to physically assault him was a bad decision? She could have handled the situation a lot better than resorting to violence in a culture where violence against women is condoned.
[edit on 10/1/2010 by Dark Ghost]
Originally posted by searching4truth
Yes, hindsight is always 20/20 and hitting a stranger (or a familiar for that matter) isn't advisable however in her case it was an instant reaction and not something she thought over at all she was born and raised in the US (just there for the summer).
Originally posted by learningtofly
reply to post by Wendroid
Talking about civil rights and wearing the burka in one breath - what?
Do you think those women chose to wear it?
No, the men told them to, and still tell them to - that is not civil rights.
Originally posted by hadriana
reply to post by learningtofly
In this way, oppression is often passed down as cultural values.
It is mothers who take the girls for the female circumcision. They do love their daughters, they want the best for them. Not only do they not know other ways, but other ways have never been shown to them as being acceptable for women.