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Jackson Health System halts dialysis for poor patients

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posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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you know, where are all the big company sponsorships when it comes to something like this?


its all a tax write off for them, so why cant the big pharma or big med ancillary corps pitch in for these folks?



You know its funny speaking of that but politics and foreign policy really do screw the pooch sometimes here for the average American.

Recently a story in the press appeared that a team of Iranian Doctors and Specialists from Iran working in Mississippi where high infant mortality rates have run significantly higher for decades than the rest of the country introduced new techniques to successfully get the infant mortality rate down.

It seems right after the fall of the Shah and the Iranian Revolution that infant mortality rates there had been sky high for decades and one of the first things the new Islamic Government did was commit themselves to getting them down.

They did and in fact were nice enough to then share that at their own time and expense with the good people of rural Mississippi. Of course the mainstream news media made almost no mention of it, because we have this Evil Iran Campaign going on in the press.

Until the economy went south Hugo Chavez of Venezuela shamed the U.S. Government for a few years in a row by offering free heating oil from Citgo to some of the poorest Americans in the North East and Mid West who couldn’t afford heating oil. The Venezuelans spent hundreds of millions of dollars each year giving the neediest Americans free heating oil. It was all of course for propaganda and to expose our selfish corporate culture but the truth is that there is NO SHORTAGE of anything on the planet, and we deliberately let the poorest people do without.

Good, bad, ugly or indifferent that’s really how our corporate culture works!




posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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And that is what makes the American population a time bomb ready to explode because the anger that many people are holding inside is just no easily put off.

People wants to talk they want to tell their stories vent their frustrations and when they find somebody that can listen is amazing.

And as for Cuba, just remember who runs the American nation, corporate USA doesn't want you to know that nations like Cuba can take care of their citizens without profiting from them.

The deceptions been played at the expenses of the tax payer and hard working Americans is just plain obsence.



[edit on 8-1-2010 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by whitewave
Nice find. I predicted this several months ago on here that the elderly and those on dialysis would be some of the first to reap the "benefits" of Obama's health care. They're just too darn expensive to support, being "useless eaters" and all.



The hilarious thing about that statement is that the health care bill isn't yet active. You may be correct a year into the program, but the blame is squarely on capitalism, not the vaporous health care bill.

The honest thing to say that this is normal in America that if you cannot afford health care you can just die, and deservingly so. It's the American way, after all.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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but, well, how many of those charitable rich families and organizations were ripped off by the shady wall street players? I know maddolf or whoever hit quite a few...and the whole wall street crash reeks of shadiness!


Actually the villain of the hour here in South Florida is a gentleman who goes by the name of Scott Rothstein.

Back in 2003 he had less than 200,000 to his name and was just another lawyer chasing ambulances in South Florida.

That was until he hit upon an idea to sell investments to South Florida luminaries that were all based on staggered payment medical malpractice and accidental death lawsuits.

Plaintiffs who were awarded huge settlements that were so big that the courts allowed the defendants to pay them incrementally in yearly payments instead of one lump sum payments who sell their settlement for a cash buyout to an investor who pays them a fraction of its value over time and then becomes a beneficiary of the annuity or trust set up to pay the plaintiff for the court ordered settlement.

There was just one problem, the lawsuits he claimed to have for people to invest in where all fakes that he had manufactured with court documents, settlements, bank statements and plaintiffs and defendants he forged in their entirety. They didn’t exist at all.

Like any classic Ponzi scheme he paid existing investors with a portion of the proceeds with new investors. He offered a high rate of return on their money, as high as 30%! Investment funds, rich business people, companies and retirees flocked to get in on the action.

Along the way he built his one man law firm up to 60 attorneys, and accumulated 10 different mansions spread throughout the world, a watch collection worth over a million dollars and a fleet of exotic sports cars.

He spread the money around, he donated heavily to every political campaign nationally and locally, and even managed to get Florida’s governor to be best man at his wedding.

That was until it all came crashing down 2 months ago when a few hedge funds and investors alerted the SEC he wasn’t making their monthly payments to them any longer.

The FBI has put the overall loss at 1 Billion dollars, most of it sucked from local Floridians.

Amazingly at the time it all came crashing down on him he was under consideration for the Bench and a Judges position!

There is no doubt about it that the massive frauds sweeping the land are eating in to charitable donations as the rich find out they are not quite as rich anymore as they thought they were.
Less than 200 million of assets is out there to pay off the 1 billion in investor funds he misused and stole.

Amazingly he was selling Medical Lawsuits!

The medical system itself is shall we say in a state that leaves a bit to be desired!

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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well the healthcare plan hasn't gone into effect but yes this is the type of thing to expect. i know i am a goner under this plan. need too much to stay alive and contribute nothing. as has been pointed out to me by people all the time. especially in hard times like these. easy to get rid of.


I am so sorry to hear of your ailments and the burden and difficulties that creates for you friend. I can only hope that in time we have the means to improve the quality of your life and the good sense to recognize that every life is an important and quality one worth saving.

I don’t think as a race, or a society we should ever give up on anyone, or give up anyone, as it is just ultimately a reflection then of us giving up on ourselves.

Obama won the presidency off of perhaps the most powerful word in the English language…hope.

Without hope, life does become untenable and though sometimes that hope is unrealistic it is that hope that allows us all to carry on through the darkest days and stormiest nights looking for brighter, calmer and happier ones.

Shame on anyone who would tell you or anyone that you don’t have a value for surely you do and while some of might not be able to contribute as much as others, any of us who contribute to the best of their abilities as you surely are evidenced by your post has nothing to be ashamed of.

Fight the good fight my friend, stay in the game, and do what you can, and for better or worse hopefully we all will see better, happier and healthier days ahead, and most of all you!

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by proteus33
its very sad i agree i say treat all the patients but when it comes time to pay bill if they are illegal then bill their homeland be it mexico or cuba or whereever .


I think that's more than reasonable, we should bill the foreign governments or at least take it out of the various forms of aide we seem to provide every government that's involved in the fights regarding the War on Terror and the War on Drugs.

It's hard not to get a little or a lot miffed at the thought of people who have illegally immigrated to the country taking advantage of our medical system, but the reality is we give away hundreds of billions of dollars every year to scores of countries throughout the globe for things that have very little or no benefit at all to Americans here.

If we can do all that, surely there is a way to help the people dying in our own house, even if they weren't invited or have no right to be here.

We should never loose our own humanity and sense of compassion and empathy and sadly the government and the corporations would very much like us too!

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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The hilarious thing about that statement is that the health care bill isn't yet active. You may be correct a year into the program, but the blame is squarely on capitalism, not the vaporous health care bill.


Yes and no, because the reality is that part of this is political maneuvering and jockeying in anticipation of the eventual passing of a new health care bill.

Some insurance companies have been laying off huge portions of their staff in anticipation that there might be a public health option, and they won’t be as competitive moving forward as a result.

Hospitals like Jackson are in fact doing away with some of their charitable and Medicare funded care to shuffle patients around into categories were other government funds end up picking up the tab once they get them re-categorized in the bureaucracy which can be a slow and arduous task.

The lobbyists for the health care providers and pharmaceutical companies are in large part the authors of the various health care bills, and as a result they have a pretty good idea, in fact a better idea what is going to be coming down the pike in the form of legislation since the underlying and unspoken reality is that they are the entities that are really offering it.

The President and the Congress People and Senators are a lot like kids waiting on Santa…I wish for this…and would really like it…and then they all wait to see what their corporate benefactors will work out to bring them and see if they like it.

Politics and corporate politics is what drive the pseudo capitalist, pseudo fascist state.

This is all about politics.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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And that is what makes the American population a time bomb ready to explode because the anger that many people are holding inside is just no easily put off.

People wants to talk they want to tell their stories vent their frustrations and when they find somebody that can listen is amazing.

And as for Cuba, just remember who runs the American nation, corporate USA doesn't want you to know that nations like Cuba can take care of their citizens without profiting from them.

The deceptions been played at the expenses of the tax payer and hard working Americans is just plain obsence.



[edit on 8-1-2010 by marg6043]


It is like a timebomb out there marg6043 the question is, is how long is the fuse and when and if it will blow!

People are frightened and confused and troubled and worse yet many of them are in a position because others rely on them, to put on a brave and hopeful face and keep their fears to themselves.

It's kind of like being a parent who lives in a hurricane zone that has small children when a storm is off the coast and potentially headed your way.

The kids are frightened too and want and need reassurance so you put on a happy face and do your best to claim there is nothing to worry about while hiding the fact that you are worried yourself.

Amazingly enough Castro and other Marxist types predicted years ago that corporate capitalism would end up that way.

To tell you the truth I think that the only thing that keeps Fidel going is he is hanging on just to see it all come down so he has that vindication.

The Cuban state sure isn't ideal, but when it comes to things like medicine and disaster relief, and emergency preparedness they are actually the best at it in the world.

Each citizen is more or less equal, young or old, important or just a peon, they take care of them all just the same and put a priority on caring for them all equally to the best that their resources can allow for.

It would be interesting to see just where that would have ended up in the form of a utopian society if so much pressure and agressive action wasn't put on them to fail by the Western Governments and the Powers that Be.

As always thanks for posting.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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I appreciate your idealism, but in this world, there is always a battle between population/ethics and resources. We don't have free energy and unlimited resources. Therefore, we have to eliminate the most inefficient, otherwise, we will go into debt.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by np6888
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I appreciate your idealism, but in this world, there is always a battle between population/ethics and resources. We don't have free energy and unlimited resources. Therefore, we have to eliminate the most inefficient, otherwise, we will go into debt.


Debt is an illusion and the reality is that the U.S. Dollar is an instrument of debt and not wealth.

Our fiat de facto instrument of debt currency is not attached to anything of any value. It is merely paper, and it's value is merely percieved.

It is no different than script at the company store.

The real wealth of the planet is the human beings, the natural resources, and our labor.

There are no shortage of those things, debt is simply an illusion that we are not just ruled by, but enslaved with.

Thanks for posting.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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UM, 2 hospitals to help dialysis patients who lost Jackson care




BY JOHN DORSCHNER
jdorschner@MiamiHerald.com
The University of Miami's UHealth, Baptist Health South Florida and Mercy Hospital announced Friday morning they will fund for one month the 40-some dialysis patients who have lost their support from Jackson Health System.

``These folks need care, and they're going to get it more appropriately this way,'' said Laurence Gardner, UM's executive dean for education and policy.

He said top officials of the three entities -- UM's Pascal Goldschmidt, Brian Keeley of Baptist Health and John Johnson of Mercy -- agreed to the one-month program ``until a longer term solution can be found,'' said Gardner. The three are hoping other hospitals will step forward.

The patients can continue with their present dialysis centers where Jackson had contracts, and the three entities will reimburse Jackson.

Jackson Chief Executive Eneida Roldan said earlier she would welcome any support because the government system is facing a deficit of more than $100 million this year, even after cutting two primary care centers and exploring other cost-saving options.


MiamiHerald.com

Well here is a happy update that I had hopefully predicted yesterday would not be long in forth coming and it wasn't long at all.

As I suspected would be the case upon hearing the tragic news the University of Miami and two other area Hospital Chains are now going to temporarily fund the existing outpatient care of the 40 some odd people that qualify for no other form of government assistance due to their citizenship status!

Its only a temporary measure while other options are looked at but thankfully for right now, no one out of the 175 indigent and poor patients are going to miss their existing treatments thanks to these stopgap measures by these other institutions.

I would like to think they are doing it because its the right thing to do and because they can, though there is always that chance they just don't want the healthcare industry to get a worse reputation than it already has.

Either way it's good news.

The world is a slightly less crummy place than it was yesterday!



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Clearskies
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Thanks.
But I am confused about you wanting to euthanize congenital-defective babies at birth.
I was born with SEVERE ALLERGIES and asthma and was in an incubator a long time, before I could go home.



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Clearskies]


But you did have all your parts in the right place functioning, didn't you?

I don't think allergies are a deformity, do you?



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by SpacePunk

Originally posted by whitewave
Nice find. I predicted this several months ago on here that the elderly and those on dialysis would be some of the first to reap the "benefits" of Obama's health care. They're just too darn expensive to support, being "useless eaters" and all.



The hilarious thing about that statement is that the health care bill isn't yet active. You may be correct a year into the program, but the blame is squarely on capitalism, not the vaporous health care bill.

Nice try, guy but I've been in the health care field for 30 years and there was a time when we BOUGHT ventilators for illegal aliens, send a trained ICU nurse with the patient, their new ventilator, and paid for 2 weeks worth of training the family how to operate it. Now they just get deported. If they drop dead, oh well. I've watched increasing government intrusion into healthcare progress to the point where we NOW have a health care "crisis" when none existed before. The capitalists were the generous souls who were willing to pay for illegal immigrants chronic health problems in an extremely generous way. Now we can't even afford to take care of our own. Also, I believe the capitalists will be taxed for about 5 years to fund this glorious Utopian free bubble-up and rainbow stew of universal health care BEFORE any of us gets to enjoy the fruits of it.

The honest thing to say that this is normal in America that if you cannot afford health care you can just die, and deservingly so. It's the American way, after all.

Until socialistic programs and mandates became the norm, it was not always so. And what do you mean by "deservingly so"? Are you saying that if one can not afford health care, one deserves to die? Isn't that a "capitalistic" stereotype? You're not a closet capitalist are you?




posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Obama Nazi Health-Care Plan Revolves Around Hastings, Agency of the British Crown's Eugenics Movement


You sure have done a lot of reasearch on the subject Stormdancer and made a tremendous amount of excellent contributions to the thread.

I really appreciate it.

Nazi like certainly is the size of it.

Thanks.


Any time,

if I could remember everything I have researched and investigated over the years,

I would be dangerous,
lol



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Well you sure have been gracious kind and helpful which is in my humble opinion a lot better than dangerous!

Thanks for being you!



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 02:18 AM
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I read the article, there are many cause and effect ratios which this article highlights and what Proto has already stated in beginning of his post. But I find the core of this issue is should "undocumented's / illegal alien" be covered under Health Plan. Since the article states all but the people who had no insurance card etc were left without an option.

Now everyone has a different opinion about that matter. On one hand I personally sympathise with the situation this Health Care Organisation is in and on second hand I have equally sympathy for the people who are being left out.

In cases such as this:


In the case of Garcia, she has been in this country legally for about five years, but doesn't have the work history to qualify for Medicare.


I feel they should be allowed to be included in health care.

In cases such as this:

Her most poignant case is a man who has been in the United States legally for a year and was working full-time -- at a company that didn't offer insurance.

When Jackson stopped its support, Witzel-Kreuter said, he quit his job so he could qualify for Medicaid, the government health insurance for the poor.

``So now he's on food stamps and all that, when he could have been working,'' she said. ``It's a very very sad story.''


They should be allowed health care.

Now incase of people who are illegally staying in United States, that is where the critical part is;
This is my personal opinion, that such people should also be covered under Health Care as they are already working and contributing to the Economy. Incase of people who do not have papers and are ill at health thus, cannot work, they should also be covered in Health Care.

I know this may not be the popular opinion, but this is what I honestly feel.



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 07:14 AM
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I was listening to coast to coast a few days ago and he had a guy on talking about all the various government agencies, ect, and how much investment income they all had coming in. according to him, our little tax contributions only account for a third of the government's income...the rest is coming from the investments. and well, all these state, federal, county gov't branches or whatever you want to call them, when added together control over 50% of the shares....


I found a video here outlining what I heard. I am listening to it now, but well, would be nice to have others looking into this also. But, if this is correct, our government is alot richer than they let on, and are very well in position to stop taxing us and probably provide us all with free healthcare.

video.google.com...#

would love to know what you all think of this.



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