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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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For all you non believers and critical Bible students. Jesus is God, and here is the proof according to the Bible.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

In John 8:24, John 8:58, and John 18:4-6 YHWH (I AM) AKA Jesus declairs that he is he. GOD

He is referred to as God. Isaiah 7:14, 9:16 John 1:1,14; 20:28 Romans 9:5 Titus 2:13 Hebrews 1:8 2 Peter 1:1

He is the Alpha and Omega. Revelation 1:17,18, Revelation 2:8, and Revelation 22:12-16
There can only be one Alpha and Omega.

He is Lord. Matthew 12:8, Acts 7:59,60; 10:36, Romans 10:12, I Corinthians 2:8; 12:3, Philippians 2:10,11

He is Saviour. Matthew 1:21, Luke 2:11, John 1:29, John 4:42, Titus 2:13, and Hebrews 5:9

He is King. Revelation 17:14, and Revelation 19:16

He is Judge. John 5:22 ,2 Corinthians 5:10 , and 2 Timothy 4:1

He is light. John 1:4,9, John 3:19, John 8:12, and John 9:5

He is Rock Romans 9:33, I Corinthians 10:3,4 ,and I Peter 2:4-8

He is Redeemer. Acts 20:28 ,Ephesians 1:7 ,Hebrews 9:12

He is our Righteousness. Jeremiah 23:6, and Romans 3:21-22

he is husband.Matthew 25:1, Mark 2:18,19 (bridegroom) ,II Corinthians 11:2 ,Ephesians 5:25-32 and Revelation 21:2,9

He is Shepherd. John 10:11,16 Hebrews 13:20, I Peter 2:25 ,I Peter 5:4

He is creator. John 1:2,3,10 Colossians 1:15-18 Hebrews 1:1-3,10

He is Giver of life. John 5:21, John 10:28, John 11:25

He is Forgiver of sin. Mark 2:1-12, Acts 26:18 ,Colossians 2:13, Colossians 3:13

He is Lord our healer Acts 9:34

He is Omnipresent Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20, Ephesians 3:17; 4:10

He is Omniscient. Matthew 11:27, Luke 5:4-6 ,John 2:25 ,John 16:30 ,John 21:17, Acts 1:24

He is Omnipotent.Matthew 28:18, Mark 1:29-34, John 10:18, Jude 24

and is Eternal. John 6:62, John 8:58 ,John 16:28, Isaiah 9:6, Micah 5:2

All these attributes can be said of God in the Old Testament as well.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Guess what? its a DUCK!!

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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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OK, I'll play Devil's advocate. (pun intended)

Your entire premise is based on a book.........written by (cough) man.

You call that proof?

Right about the duck though.........Quack.

Regards...kk





[edit on 7-1-2010 by kinda kurious]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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human instrument .aka. soul carrier .aka. God Fragment

Creator is in Creation
We are All One


LOVE



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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I personaly do not believe there is a god. I do believe there was a jesus but his powers were greatly overestimated. I agree with kinda kurious the bible was written by man so most of it is lies passed though the ages. This is what i think you don't have to agree with it. Religen was made to control the people.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:23 PM
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All these attributes can be said of God in the Old Testament as well. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Guess what? its a DUCK!!



And a ugly-duck it is...








posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious
OK, I'll play Devil's advocate. (pun intended)

Your entire premise is based on a book.........written by (cough) man.

You call that proof?

Right about the duck though.........Quack.

Regards...kk






[edit on 7-1-2010 by kinda kurious]


This is proof according to the Bible directed at Bible students who don't believe. Obviously you are not one. No pun intended



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by happygolucky
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All these attributes can be said of God in the Old Testament as well. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Guess what? its a DUCK!!



And a ugly-duck it is...







lol Okay, yes the duck thing is a little corny. However this was said to me about Jesus being a man.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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To shorten a large argumentative post just for the sake of debating, there is also a good amount of proof that God is not Jesus.

1. "In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God." (John 1:1)

My Explanation: 'The Word' was in terms of Angels (Jesus is said to be the first Angel and thus Gods only begotten son). Notice "The Word was WITH God", not The Word WAS God. This is just one minor bit of proof.

2. The trilogy is never talked of in the bible. It is never spoken of, and never was until the 4th Century. But for the sake of rebuttal, it doesn't precisely go out of it's way to speak of a Trinity NOT being present.

3. Jesuit Edmund Fortman admits: "The Old Testament . . . tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary implication of a Triune God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. . . . There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a [Trinity] within the Godhead. . . . Even to see in [the "Old Testament"] suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers."—Italics ours.

credit: www.watchtower.com


I personally don't believe in the Trinity, it's not how I was raised to believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. But to put anything in my own words and just go out on a limb to explain my next piece of mine, you must excuse me for any bit of confusion I am about to cause.

Now for there to be a Trinity there must be one main entity with three secondary entities. OR you may have three main entities that are all the same but with different: appearances, abilities, and/or goals.

Now for one, we must understand what EACH piece of the "Trinity" is. There is God, the creator of all things. Then there is Jesus, the "Messiah" or "Savior". Finally there's the Holy Spirit. I wont go out and find a biblical reference to what Holy Spirit is because it is something (at least in my opinion) is common knowledge, but for the sake of those who don't know and trust me enough to tell you, Holy Spirit is simply the acting works of God. It is what we can closest resemble our energy to.

Now that those who were behind are caught up with the basics, it's time to get into the heart of what we're talking about....

So Jesus was the first Angel created, hence why he is God's begotten son. If this doesn't make sense to you, imagine if you had a first son, and (awkwardly) the only way to have another son is to make your new son out of your current sons image. If you understood that, then you will understand Gods love towards Jesus and why Jesus is the begotten son. All of this is just hard proof God cannot be Jesus and Jesus cannot be God. Also, image how to bible states that He gave his only begotten son to us... well this wouldn't had been said if God=Jesus correct? This famous quote wouldn't make sense.

Now to disprove the Holy Spirit entity connecting to God...

This one will be a shorter explanation. The Holy Spirit is the 'energy' God uses to use force on Earth and in the Heavens. So to prove this, is to prove that the Holy Spirit CANNOT be an entity or connected to God only in the same form that energy can be connected to humans and animals.

For instance Mark 1:12..

At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.

My Explanation: The Holy Spirit is not God nor Angels. The story is about when Jesus gets Baptized and the heavens tear apart and Holy Spirit comes down, then FROM THE HEAVENS (remember Holy Spirit has come from the Heavens to Earth now) a voice came. This shows that God is at one point, Jesus in another, and HS in a third. The HS then leads Jesus to the dessert where he is tested.


END OF EXPLAINING

Now I would like to apologize for bad explanations, I tend to repeat and drag on. Sorry.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil
This is proof according to the Bible directed at Bible students who don't believe. Obviously you are not one. No pun intended


The thread starts out as:



For all you non believers


As for the topic.

Jesus calls him the father, and says the father is greater than he is for a reason. Jesus says all things are possible for the father for example.



Matthew 19

16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


The entire Jesus is god is nothing more than a setup towards the anti-christ, and getting people worship Jesus as god, so that later something can come along, claim to be Jesus and be "god on earth", aka the anti-christ.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 05:47 PM
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The Bible has been mutilated over the centuries and is not the word of God.

Since your evidence is flawed you have no proof of your claim. Regardless of what the 19,975,321th New Bible Edition of the New Church says.

There is more evidence that he is in fact someone like a messenger with special powers than God himself.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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Oliveoil, the quotes that you supply as source proves nothing to anyone who is not wearing blinders. The only proof that we know in regards to this topic is that the book you use as reference contains a ridiculous amount of contradictions, and absurdities. It is nothing but a book put together to combine several older religions which all originate from sun worship. They combined all other religions at the time to allow a smooth acceptance of this new religion, and those whom did not accept it were tortured or killed. Do you even have any clues of what I am talking about? Still care to use quotes from that source?



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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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What ever happened to the Father, the son, and the holy spirit?

How can the father, be the father and the son at the same time?

You basically just contradicted yourself....

Go watch zetigeist on youtube, maybe it will help you. There are a few zetgeist movies now..



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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double post

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Quickfix]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Jehovah's witnesses are great at uncovering a lot of problems with other Christian faiths and their beliefs. And granted no region is perfect I am sure, they have a few good point on their site.

www.watchtower.com



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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This is how you fool everyone. This is how you separate the wheat from the chaff....by not letting your Left hand know what your right hand is doing.

Jesus is the first, because he is the last...only the image or idea of what everyone thinks he is, is just that, an image and the "impersonator".

He says all men come through him, therefore not one enters without him.

He never preached that he saved people. He preached "repent" for the kingdom is "NOW"....always...now.

Everyone remember...."In my name"...this means more then you could of ever thought.

Jesus means "Self existent Salvation" and that is the name or should I say "Action" that one is truly saved in.

True fruit of the spirit is a child...this is why Jesus is always called "The PRINCE of Peace", because the Kingdom belongs to Children...

When it says, "unless you become as a child, you shall in no way see the kingdom" the greek says, "Unless you regenerate (procreate) and become as a child, you shall not see the kingdom"

This is pure truth, for unless you regenerate "a new generation", you will not witness life...(your children's lives....the kingdom with name of "my god" on it).

See reality. Nothing is hidden, except for us....you are your brothers KEEPER.

Children are the light of the world, they are the treasure in heaven that rust and moth can not destroy. Declare his name to a new Generation by naming him....a name only you know given on a white pebble....simion...Semen....The Anointing Oil.....

The life in you is worth more then your body, God REQUIRES the blood of every man, because man is his house....don't go


"Burning down the house...."

Peace

[edit on 7-1-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Quickfix
What ever happened to the Father, the son, and the holy spirit?

How can the father, be the father and the son at the same time?

You basically just contradicted yourself....

Go watch zetigeist on youtube, maybe it will help you. There are a few zetgeist movies now..


The father and son relationship can only be understood if you understand what is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh.

The difference between the father and son is perception. This reality we live in is only possible by a limited perspective.

For example, a movie film. If you take it and stretch it end to end and view the entire thing at once, then all is known and there is no time. This is the perspective of the father/god.

But, if you take that same movie film, cut it up into a limited perception/frames and then view those frames one after the other, then you get time, change and the experience of the movie. The viewing/experience of the movie is only available in a limited perception.

So, that which is unlimited and eternal/without time purposely limits itself into a limited perception in order to have the experience. This is the reality that "you" see before you. Thus, the father becomes the son.

But it's not in just 1 of us, it's in all of us. This is why it is said the father is found within. It is found by finding out what "you" are. Then you can start understand. Know thyself. All that you define yourself as is a possesion, what possesses it? In the end, all you can say is "I am that I am" - look that up.

Zeitgeist is a mixed bag. It was pretty good in it's pointing out of the fed. The religious part was good in a way, but what it talked about was really the "paganism" of the church. Jesus wasn't really born on Dec 25th and all that other sun worship stuff. That was all added into it later and is kind of besides the point.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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Yes, there are a few zeitgeists, including zeitgeist refuted.
The first part of zeitgeist is pretty poorly researched and completely debunked in zrf. Jesus wasn't even born on dec. 25, i thought that was pretty common knowledge.
As far as the trinity goes, jesus clearly claims to be god and the jews understand this in John 10:25-39

If You are the Christ, tell us plainly." Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these bear witness of Me. "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. "I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’? "If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." Therefore they were seeking again to seize Him, and He eluded their grasp.

In jewish culture, the father and the first born son are equal.
Emanuel means god with us.
It's the reason the jews crucified him, because he claimed he was god.
It's not contradictory, it's a limitation of our understanding.
Think of the trinity as mind, the body and the spirit. Three acting in accordance with one another.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by dnaobs]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
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This is how you fool everyone. This is how you separate the wheat from the chaff....by not letting your Left hand know what your right hand is doing.

Jesus is the first, because he is the last...only the image or idea of what everyone thinks he is, is just that, an image and the "impersonator".

He says all men come through him, therefore not one enters without him.


False, he says that all men come through the way, the truth and the life.



John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Proof of this can be found later in John 14.



John 14

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


When you say "Jesus", you are referring only to the idol, instead of what it represents.



He never preached that he saved people. He preached "repent" for the kingdom is "NOW"....always...now.

Everyone remember...."In my name"...this means more then you could of ever thought.

Jesus means "Self existent Salvation" and that is the name or should I say "Action" that one is truly saved in.


This I think I pretty much agree with you on.



True fruit of the spirit is a child...this is why Jesus is always called "The PRINCE of Peace", because the Kingdom belongs to Children...

When it says, "unless you become as a child, you shall in no way see the kingdom" the greek says, "Unless you regenerate (procreate) and become as a child, you shall not see the kingdom"


This is not true. It says you have to become as a child. You have to seek in order to find. What do children do? They are innocent and honest. They seek because they do not know. They do not hold on to existing beliefs and they are open minded. In order to gain true understanding, you have to let go of your beliefs and start to seek.

I think it's pretty self evident people don't need to be prompted into having children.



This is pure truth, for unless you regenerate "a new generation", you will not witness life...(your children's lives....the kingdom with name of "my god" on it).


So I take it you believe Jesus had many children?



See reality. Nothing is hidden, except for us....you are your brothers KEEPER.

Children are the light of the world, they are the treasure in heaven that rust and moth can not destroy. Declare his name to a new Generation by naming him....a name only you know given on a white pebble....simion...Semen....The Anointing Oil.....

The life in you is worth more then your body, God REQUIRES the blood of every man, because man is his house....don't go


"Burning down the house...."

Peace


Do you believe the flesh is the life?



[edit on 1/7/2010 by badmedia]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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I know where your coming from about the movie metaphor.

The thing about Jesus being God because of his spirit I also get.

But If Jesus is God just because he has a fraction of his spirit within him, that would mean all human beings are god.

Did i get that right or am i being to analytical?

Anyways i find the holy bible lacking and as i have gone through it a few times i would rather use it as a history book of learning rather then a religious book.

In my honest opinion, stick with buhddism..



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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I am sorry to say this but Jesus was crucifed not because he claimed he was God.

He was crucifed for knowing what the priests were doing in the temple.

What was usually done in the temples? The same basic principle happens in our court systems.

Jesus found out about the free masons and was silenced..




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