Do you honestly not think this is a nude image?

people I think we're getting too focused on the naked issue and loss of freedoms etc, (which I agree are real issues) which frankly we can't stop unless we get off our backsides and actually DO something about it other than talk.
As I've mentioned right at the start of this dialogue these machines are potentially lethal to your DNA, they can and do 'unzip' your DNA strand, there have been few studies most of which are hushed done on this, and it's effect say to the unborn or anyone else for that matter. You talk about being safe and secure, protection of your rights etc, yet this machine can unlock the very physical essence of what you are!!! howz that for an invasion of privacy eh!?!
check out this link




might make you think abit.

When scanners are all around us, and we have zero freedom. All because there really is the constant threat of terror attacks. ( regardless of if the scanners are that effective or not for that purpose )

I will personally always lay the blame squarely on the U.S. and its citizens massive biased support of Israel.

It is my opinion that if the Palestinian situation was non-existent we would not have wide-spead extremism in the Middle East.

Anyone who says different, is only lying to themselves.

I know the guilty like to say " but its complicated" but that is BS. And in fact most so called " complicated " issues can be fixed by simple solutions. Ask Ron Paul.

You can fix most things in 20 words or less.


You want someone to blame for the "terror excuse " they will use to shove this technology down our throats, kick an American in the behind.

Why was this moved to the Hoax section???

The image that was posted was also posted on drudgereport's front page.

It may not be a scanner image but its similiar to the one that the AP is showing.

drudgereport.com...

reply to post by Cabaret Voltaire


No, they'll rather add-to, than take away.

They have been developing these nice little RFID bracelets and necklaces...
The ones that store all your flight data (never lose your tickets again! -except when a Black Hat decides to mess with you) and the ability to taze evil-doers.

Shock-collars. The kind of stuff I'd not even give to my dogs.

God help us all!

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
To make this Short!
Do you wish to be a courpse in a air crash investigation?
Or have passengers do a 5 second intrusive scan?
I know what I'd prefer, getting to my destination in 1 piece.... not 100 pieces scattered accross a crash site.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by DreamerOracle]

Because of the invasion of personal privacy and the potential for misuse.

It takes longer than 5 seconds and there are less intrusive ways to scan for explosives that are widely available and are not used.

Id prefer not to be dehumanized just to observe my right to travel

Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by kaskade

 

So, the terrorist just worked on terrorism around the 90's? They stoped there. Right, and that has NOTHING to do with safety improvements. No...Not at all...

reply to post by budro

 

Hey die hard, I would love to take you on an airplane trip, make the plane bump a bit, maybe a little loss of pressure, and then, I would love to see those balls of yours, that you so proudly show here on the forum.

You're the real coward, because you are sitting at home, judging other persons just because you read something on the internet.

I'm in a airport everyday of my job, I'm in the plane with passengers, which I know nothing about, and my life is in the hands of the guys who let them in.

Maybe you like driving fast, putting your life at risk, maybe you have unprotected sex, maybe you get drunk and go jump around in bridges...

...many people don't, and it's not being a coward, is loving your life, loving your family.

In the end of the day, I don't want to be a "brave" who yells to the world "LOOK AT ME! I'm a freedom FIGHTER! TODAY NOONE SAW MY BALLS!".

In the end of the day, I want to get home, hug my kid, especially if it was a hard day, and get some piece of mind and rest.

People like you sleep well in the night, confortable with the safety that others provide, and here you come, judge those same persons, just because you think you must call them cowards.

Right on!

EDIT to add:


BTW, I'm going to stop remind people that terrorists are not the only threat to aviation... But noone seems to care to even think about that.

[edit on 8/1/10 by Tifozi]

im sorry i really dont understand your type of "sarcasm"...as im hoping that was?...
your post really didnt make any sense, the one directed towards me.

reply to post by kaskade


Yeah that was kinda rambling incoherent mumbo jumbo wasnt it?

So you work in an airport...you want a cookie? and to see my balls?

Originally posted by DreamerOracle
To make this Short!
Do you wish to be a courpse in a air crash investigation?
Or have passengers do a 5 second intrusive scan?
I know what I'd prefer, getting to my destination in 1 piece.... not 100 pieces scattered accross a crash site.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by DreamerOracle]

This is the false logic used by the MSM and Govt! This scanner does not make you any safer! I guarantee that anybody can bring down a plane with all the current restrictions with very little knowledge of Chemistry and no special techniques for sneaking on the plane!!

I was speaking with a buddy of mine in the FBI, and he felt exactly the same way! All the press and all the security is to make you "FEEL" safer, it is not to actually make you safer!!

#1. How many people are killed in all plane crashes including terrorism in any given year? How many in all of aviation history? Now compare that to choking on pretzels, or slipping on ice or falling in the shower or going to prison for some ridiculous technicality!! I will take my chances with terrorists any day!

#2. A true "terrororist" is willing to die. So what difference does it make if he blows himself up in the air or on the ground while being scanned? He could just wait until that scanner starts to beep, and all those guards gather around to take a look, and all those hundreds of people are standing in line, and then go boom!! If he was really smart, he would put a fake bomb in the bag, and stand at the other end of the evacuation route, and then go boom when everyone comes running to him!!

#3. It isn't a 5 second intrusive scan. I was being totally honest earlier when I said that I would enjoy doing that job! It is a violation of privacy, and when you are 50 people deep in the line, each one of those 30 second scans grates on your nerves!

I was listening to a mainstream news station yesterday and some TSA employee said that people who are scanned have to actually get naked in person. I did some research and can not find any information on it, but it was definitely new to my ears.

Thousands of people die from driving drunk, so why doesn't the government require everyone to pass a breathalyzer before they drive? In fact, hundreds (even thousands) of Americans are in malls, conventions, sports games, etc... at one time, so why don't we go ahead and require body scans for those places too? The line needs to be drawn somewhere. I have my own life I want to live WITHOUT the government intruding.

Technology WILL NOT prevent terrorist attacks. I guarantee it. Instead of spending so much money on these body scanners and other nonsense security precautions, why don't we hire enough Air Marshals to be on EVERY flight. That might actually save lives.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Jibblin]

reply to post by Jibblin

no you don't have to get naked to go through these machines, thats the point of them, if you did they would be even more of a waste of time. They can see through clothes, but arn't to flash at seeing very far into the human body.

reply to post by k0mbination


Thanks.

Researched it and edited post. My opinion still stands though

I had to google the images and find out what the fuss was about. After wading through all the porn, and the 1 virus that popped up (LOL) I have to say I don't know what the big deal is. The Image isnt being shown to the entire crowd, just 1 guy at a computer, who is scanning hundreds of people per hour, so he isnt going to have time to sit there and drool over you.

Its all blue, I guess the XMEN movies where full of ""NUDITY""...

It's like people wan't to be blown up, or something. I'm not flying period.

Originally posted by Jibblin
I was listening to a mainstream news station yesterday and some TSA employee said that people who are scanned have to actually get naked in person. I did some research and can not find any information on it, but it was definitely new to my ears.

Thousands of people die from driving drunk, so why doesn't the government require everyone to pass a breathalyzer before they drive? In fact, hundreds (even thousands) of Americans are in malls, conventions, sports games, etc... at one time, so why don't we go ahead and require body scans for those places too? The line needs to be drawn somewhere. I have my own life I want to live WITHOUT the government intruding.

Technology WILL NOT prevent terrorist attacks. I guarantee it. Instead of spending so much money on these body scanners and other nonsense security precautions, why don't we hire enough Air Marshals to be on EVERY flight. That might actually save lives.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Jibblin]

What is an US Marshal going to do? So the terrorist sits in his seat, pulls the detonator out of his pocket, since its a "Waste of time and technology to check people" and hits the button, is Bomb-Undies blow up, and 300 people, including the air marshal are dead. GOOD ONE.

Since we "Can't stop it" we should just let it happen and make it easier? The FACT is, we can stop 999 out of 1000. If we follow your advise, every single plane in the sky will be blown up.

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by LibertyLover
I'm not thrilled about my less than perfect and svelt body being displayed in all its, um, "glory", but could probably manage to deal if I wanted or needed to fly someplace badly enough. What concerns me is that currently it takes about 2 minutes to do one of these scans. I don't need any more radiation exposure, thank you very much, and I certainly don't want my 7 year old daughter exposed to more radiation than is absolutely necessary either. I haven't seen any estimates on the amount of radiation one scan requires and what amount of exposure that generates and that concerns me. I'd like more information on that before I make any decisions or judgements.

You also need to realize these scans are saved. TSA agents makling about $10-$13 an hour with access to these images could see opportunity to make some side money. How long do you suppose before someone decides to sell your 7 yr old daughter's pic to a pedafile?

Yes, a pic of a blue blob that resembes a 7 yr old girl is going to fetch a lot of money

Hate to break it to ya, but pedo's get there porn for free of the internet, and it's not all blue.

Fear monger much?

Dito on the not flying!!
I'll wait until someone intelligent actually starts to come up with something more effective e.g a World DNA database full of the people that are allowed to fly and not some pond dweller from woop woop with explosives in his sacks!

p.s and a World Pasport Agency with a reference application screening.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by DreamerOracle]

reply to post by _Phoenix_



Thank you!

A star for you!



This little thing the government gets to control will lead to something else will lead to something else.

Government - Stay out of my life!

The real problem here is that everyone's talking and nobody's listening or paying attention, and absolutely nobody is doing anything.

Our society will sit back and watch as little by little, tiny little pieces of our freedom is taken away, never so much at one time that we'll bother to get off our collective asses and actually stand up for our rights, oh no, they do it a piece at a time, and wait for us to stop moaning and complaining, and then take another piece away.

And we sit online and sound off about it, but we don't think. We never change our opinions. We never join the dots, we never look at the big picture. We concentrate on this one tiny thing that's happening and refuse to connect it to anything else that's going on. We never allow ourselves to change our preset point of view, because before you change an opinion you first have to accept that your current opinion is wrong, and we've been taught never ever to do that. Everyone's opinion is valid, after all.

So we complain, and we argue, and we do nothing. We get tired of complaining because nothing changes, and we accept the new way of things. And then something new happens, another piece of our freedom is taken away, and we forget all about actually doing anything about that last thing, because we have something new to complain about, and that's far far easier than actually doing something.

I remember a time, not terribly long ago, because I'm only 35, when leaving your house meant being out of reach. Nobody could phone you, because your home was back at home, tied to a wall. Your current location was unknown, because you didn't have a piece of hardware strapped to your belt that triangulated your position. You could walk around quite freely, unwatched, unmonitored, untraced. If somebody wanted to reach you, they phoned your house. Your mum/dad/husband/wife took a message for you, and the other person would patiently wait for you to return their call. Or, perhaps, nobody was home, and the person just tried again later on. We weren't held to ransom by our phones like today, when people ring and ring and ring because they know you've got your phone, why aren't you answering immediately? They couldn't text you to demand you answer, they couldn't leave a voice mail, they just patiently waited.

You were paid in cash, and you carried that cash with you and bought whatever you liked. You didn't have a loyalty card that was tracking everything you bought and linking it to your name and address. You didn't leave a trace every time you used a bank machine. You didn't carry a chip on a bit of plastic, tracking and recording the time and location of every product you bought. Prices were written on little stickers that were put onto the products, not barcodes that could register what you were buying exactly and in what quantity.

You didn't get watched and recognised by facial recognition software linked in to the security cameras everywhere. There weren't cameras on the buses or trains.

You could walk into an airport, buy a ticket, hop onto a plane and fly wherever you wanted as long as you had your passport and enough money for a ticket.

And little by little, they took it all away. Everything you do, everything you own, everyone you know, it's all recorded. It's all accessible. You even help. You create a list of all your known friends, and what your relation to them is, where you met them, and you put that list onto facebook so that the CIA has it on file. You even supply them with photos, and you take the time to mark each photo with who's who. Then, you upload your plans for the day. You post online the intimate details of your daily life, where you're going, who you're meeting, what job you're applying for. You're a very obedient little drone.

And when they take another freedom away, and you say "hold on, don't take that away, I liked that", they say "Ah, but wait, which would you prefer? Would you like your freedom, or would you like to be blown into itty bitty pieces by the nasty evil terrorists? Your choice, what's it going to be?" Ah, well, when you put it that way, it's a very simple choice. I certainly don't want to be killed by terrorists. I've heard all about them on the news, they're bad bad men. Ok, take away my freedom, I never really needed it anyway. Phew, aren't I glad that I'm safe from the big bad terrorists now. Oh wait, what's that? More terrorists? Oh dear. I'm going to have to give up more freedom? What this time? No no, I don't want to give up that! I love being able to do that, it makes me so so happy. What's that? Would I prefer to have my children killed by terrorists? Oh no, I wouldn't want that!


Are you listening yet?

Or would you rather be blown up by terrorists?



[edit on 8-1-2010 by TheIrvy]

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They need to play this real LOUD in all airports, it would probably work just as good as their scanners, maybe even better.......lol

I haven't read this whole thread...but...this isn't an airport scanner image. It was taken from here (according to postings at Gizmodo.com)

Link to image set (NSFW)

reply to post by WeAreAWAKE


that's correct. the drudge report is using images that are not from a scanner. they altered the images to make it appear as if they are x-rays.

that is a hoax.