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U.S. Troops handcuff, execute 8 Afghan children

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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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For all those commentators that seem to think Obama has any say in all this:

Obama does not control the Pentagon.

The Pentagon controls Obama.

Or for that matter, any sitting president (although in Bush's case he was more than willing to let them have carte blanche).

They've programmed soldiers to shoot at anything that moves, and if it's children, just sweep it under the rug and question the patriotism of anyone who dares raise an eyebrow to their actions.

The Pentagon demanded more soldiers and got it. If they hadn't the right wing media would have portrayed Obama as weak on defense or weak on terrorism. So they got what they wanted. Besides, killing children is just "collateral damage", especially when you lob drones and cruise missiles around willy-nilly. So what, we nicked a few kiddies, we got some baddies too right?




posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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I immediately thought of the movie Secret Space Volume 2

video.google.com...#

Also it seems to go along with The part in Esoteric Agenda That describes how The Shock and Awe campaign fell exactly within the dates of a Pagan blood offering to the Earth.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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There are too many missing parts to this story for me to form an educated opinion. We need to know what happened, who was involved and why. US-led forces really isn't all that much information given the size of the coalition. Any loss of life is tragic; however, without details people tend to point their anger in the wrong direction.

For everybody saying bring the troops home listen to this. I am about to explain why we can't just end the war.

Do you guys think the US is over there fighting all alone? The US military is fighting with a good number of other counties which make up the coalition which includes the Afghanistan military.

Allow me to say this again, the Afghanistan military for all of you who can't think from point A to point B.

Some of you believe that the violence is going to end if the US just pulls out. If the US pulls out of Afghanistan the only lives that is going to save is the lives the the US military (which isn't a bad thing). The Afghanistan military, who is not ready to fight on it's own yet would be left all by itself see how things turn out (note how I didn't say finish the job). This is why when Obama said that we would stay for three years the Afghanistan government said that we needed to be flexible with our deadline for pulling out.

I used to be in the military and I have good friends of mine overseas at this moment. Believe me when I say that the troops want to come home a little more than you guys want the war to end (which is an understatement). Some of you seem to forget that these military men and women have spouses and children at home who they would like to be with. If there was a contest to see who wants the military to come home the fastest, the military men and women would win.



Two years ago when the media was focused on the Iraq war everybody on these boards was saying that we should leave. They were saying that we would never reach and acceptable objective. They were saying that Iraq will never be secure and that we would be stuck there forever. Look at what we are doing today (we have moved out of the major cities and we are packing up).

Nobody can ever give back a life. Those in the military know that more than anyone. Stories like this one hit close to home because children are the most prized part of any society. They are the future. I am sure that at some point we will have all the details to this story and the truth will come out. Those that need to be punished will be and the problems that lead to this will be corrected.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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Well the thread didn't get hoaxed, so it looks like the U.S. military really are as disgraceful as I thought they are..



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by rainfall
Well the thread didn't get hoaxed, so it looks like the U.S. military really are as disgraceful as I thought they are..


It looks like we need to find out the rest of the details before we come to a conclusion.

Even if the story is true the military is quite big. I would be so hasty to paint them all with one brush. Furthermore, being from Florida your tax dollars help pay for every bullet shot and bomb dropped.

Why don't you take Gandhi's route and try some non-violent civil disobedience. I'm sure refusing to pay your taxes would work.


[edit on 7-1-2010 by Styki]

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Styki]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by thegreatone

Originally posted by December_Rain
Is the picture of the children linked to one source?



I am sure these brave soldiers will be given a 6 month sentence or a discharge with full pension and will be cheered as heros as happened when Bush was in office.




[edit on 7-1-2010 by December_Rain]

[edit on 7-1-2010 by December_Rain]

nice pic, got any that show their faces? I mean im not saying our military hasnt done horrible ish in the past but it would be more credible if i can see whether or not their faces are brown. whose to say that isnt a pic of terrorists in gear similar to ours or taken from dead soldiers, stolen,etc. How great would this story be in getting new recruits for al-queda? I dont buy it.


By the way. Did anyone happen to notice the footwear that the soldier on the left of the frame is wearing? The last time I checked with my friends and family members who are on active duty in the war zone, athletic shoes are not part of the uniform of the day. Possibly they could be Americans, XE aka Blackwater, has been tossed out as a possibility. However, unless the info surrounding how this photo was taken can be concretely proven, who can say beyond a reasonable doubt who was actually posing for the photos. By the way, what kind of idiot poses for a souvenir photo with the children you are about to murder, and then lets the photographer out of their control?



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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I have nothing backing this up but logic, but I am almost 100% sure that is not a photo of the operation. Most of the time in the media the pictures are just representing the situation.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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By the way. Did anyone happen to notice the footwear that the soldier on the left of the frame is wearing? The last time I checked with my friends and family members who are on active duty in the war zone, athletic shoes are not part of the uniform of the day. --rob20153

Also, Soldiers/Marines/etc.. don't wear the old DCU style uniform anymore...

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Lovinlife]

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Lovinlife]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by NightoftheComet

Originally posted by Droopy
reply to post by Sean48
 


Not much mystery in why someone would want Americans dead, an eye for an eye


Isn't that Ironic since it was what... 5,000 dead American civilians in a street about 8 years ago that prompted this whole thing? Wow...that was just what? Justice? Revenge? Karma? I know there are people out there who think it is but I think they need to check their facts again and the series of events.

The US was horrifically attacked for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. The Afghans/Taliban/Al Qaeda/whatever basically came to the shore of America , kicked in the doors of 5,000 Americans and dragged them into the street and shot them.

Ok, so now IM supposed to feel sorry for the poor afghans who are dying in a war THEY STARTED? I would never condone executing children, but the civilians need to find these BOZOS and hand them over to the US if they want this crap to stop.

In reality, there is no answer because everyone is right. We are creating terrorists by being there AND if we do nothing, we embolden an enemy (which is the case regardless).

We have 1 choice. Annihilate all islamic terrorist organizations.



Are you serious? The "Afghans/Taliban/Al Qaeda/whatever"? I feel sick and a bit perplexed at such garbage rhetoric and calloused feelings towards human life, especially of children. The U.S CREATED Al Qaeda...they are not an ARMY and do not require OCCUPATIONS of TWO countries to dismantle. They are a remnant asset of the CIA and can be delt with as such. You're naivety stuns me. The civilians don't have to do a damn thing.

At least you're up front and acknowledge the cycle of hate and fear that blankets the lousy bed we made(though you still may not believe we made it) You and everyone else mitigating tradgedy do condone the murder of children and civilians...mabey you wouldn't pull the trigger, but those un-opposed to the enormous civilian death toll and granting moral immunity to soldiers shows a level of approval.

It should be self evident and go without saying for almost everybody, that suicide bombers and religious nut bags are "bad". Denouncing phony wars and murder is not mitigating acts of terrorism.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:59 PM
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Been a long time I havent posted here.

Do you guys know why?

Lolololol I seriously stopped believing there is any hope for humanity reading this forum.

I first thought I was going to learn new stuff about UFO and stuff and maybe I could find just someone or something one clue to get closer to the truth.

I seen lots of stupidity in my life but seriously never seen as much aglomeration of it. You know you start by giving people a chance beleiving they one day will wake up to reallity but you actually come down to wake up yourself alone only with a few relatives and know this is all wrong.

Cant you see they devide us to better rule us?
Cant you see they comit attrocities and make you believe its for your freedom?
Catn you see some are bad guys and some are good guys?
Cant you see the difference between being dragged in a war that makes no sense and desensibilizes you to the point to murder in cold blood is the brutal reality we all live in?

War is War. War is dirty and always will be. There is nothing glorious in dying for your country. Where i come from,I was thought I would live for mine at any cost. See any difference in this non sense?

Its all the f%?&%% same people. The only ones that can stop this all togheter is all of us togheter. Divided in this patriotism that they made you beleive in is brainwashing. We fight one an other on forums like this one for stupid disinfo one tries to prove the other tries to deny.

As long as we fight our selfves sitting infront of our computers we are not dangerous at all.

If we show them we are unhappy and we want change by manifesting they beat us down and peper spray us. They dare to Use new unleathal weapons previously designed for enemies. Do you remember, cant you seen under the lies.

YOU ARE THE GOVERMENTS ENEMY IF YOU WAKE UP.

So sleep my children as tomorrow is an other day and your computer will be there for an other stupid news to be told. But next time you read one of those think what have you done to stop any of it! What have you done to help the F%$?&%? World.

Nothing thats what you did! If you even touched a weapons to help anything then I beleive you are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

If you hurt any one in your process you are an enemy of mankind. You are no better then the terorist you beleive you fight. Because there is no terorists. There is no war. Everyone and every goverment is scared # of the USSA. You got the dam H bomb remember not one not two but hundreds of them. Ya your suposedly enemies too have some right kido that why you need some right kido. Well guess what happens if you shoot one? Good boy then they seen some too. What happens then to you and them. Good answer we all F%?* die and no one lives to tell the tale.
So really why do you think they have some because they are scared you'll use it on them like you did in Japan! Thats Why! And if they know you have one then they'll think twice before using it on you.

ITS DISCOURAGING TO SEE YOU ALL BE GOOD PATRIOTIC PUPPETS.

Let me give you guys a head start on the breaking news. You are all wrong and guess what we know nothing. Nothing they dont want you to know.

Little quiz for all of you. How many neighbourgs of yours are alkies or dopies. How many of them sold dope or even sold their bodies for dope. how many stole something in their lives or even beatten their wife or children. Do you know any?

lololol if you answered no to any of these then this only proves you dont even know your suroundings how do you want to know the world little less the truth.

Sleep my children sleep.

Maybe one day! I seriously hope to still be alive or even strong enought then to follow the movement that will change the world. That day we all will lift togheter and stand all togheter around the world for change. Alone it is suicide.

So lets all keep sleeping and stick to our lives because its enought trouble like it is ....

Fear No One, Trust No One

[edit on 7-1-2010 by NIGHTRID3R]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by PresumedInnocent
I love it, don't we always read on these threads that you can't trust the MSM. Now a story come along that supports what ever agenda we have, and by god it must be the truth. I think the the real story will end up some where in the middle of 8 innocents shot and students attack troops. Also, the OP says US troops, unless I missed it, the nationality is stated as international or NATO.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by PresumedInnocent]


Took the words right out of my mouth. Nowhere does it say, "US Soldiers did this." And I completely agree with comparing this to the Mainstream media. Just because it supports your beliefs, yet offers no evidence, you take it as Gospel.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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You think this is bad - try American soldiers sodomizing Iraqi children and then executing them - all under the parent's traumatized watchful eyes. That story came out a few months ago, remember?

LOL - ain't war grand? Yay - war.

/satire off.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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A recap of the various groups `take` on what happened in Ghazi Khan village that night .

A NATO insider .....

Western military sources said that the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians.

“This was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time,” said a senior Nato insider.

But he admitted that “the facts about what actually went down are in dispute”.
The Times


.... a statement on President Karzai’s website said.


“The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead,”

The Times

The Head of the delegation sent by Preident Karzai, Assadullah Wafa, added ....

“At around 1 am, three nights ago, some American troops with helicopters left Kabul and landed around 2km away from the village,” he told The Times. “The troops walked from the helicopters to the houses and, according to my investigation, they gathered all the students from two rooms, into one room, and opened fire.”

The Times


Nato’s International Security Assistance Force said that there was....

“no direct evidence to substantiate” Mr Wafa’s claims


UN special representative in Afghanistan Kai Eide said in a statement...

that the preliminary UN investigation showed "strong indication" that there were insurgents in the area at the time of the attack. But, he added, "based on our initial investigation, eight of those killed were students enrolled in local schools."

Yahoo News



A statement issued Thursday by the Afghan National Security Directorate....

said the government investigation showed no Afghan forces were involved and "international forces from an unknown address came to the area and without facing any armed resistance, put 10 youth in two rooms and killed them. "They conducted this operation on their own without informing any security or local authorities of Afghanistan," the statement said.

Yahoo News

And yet ...... Nato’s International Security Assistance Force describe the operation as .....


“joint coalition and Afghan security force” operation.

The Times



Involving "non-military Americans" ....

NATO has denied its forces were involved, suggesting "non-military Americans" had returned fire in self-defence.

The Canadian Press



It would seem to quote UN special representative in Afghanistan Kai Eide "based on our initial investigation, eight of those killed were students enrolled in local schools."

Now what remains to be investigated is the manner of their deaths , and who precisely shot them . If they were executed surely this would be obvious to the investigators, but considering Muslim burial customs .... will the bodies not of all ready been buried . What are Muslim beliefs regarding exhumation / etc. ?

We`ll have to wait and see what transpires over the coming days and weeks .



[edit on 7-1-2010 by UmbraSumus]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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I didn't want to get into the footwear too much to avoid speculation. Special forces troops which one of the articles mentioned might be able to get away with wearing civilian footwear during an operation. If it was going to benefit the mission some how like mobility or something like that.

Also, when I was in Iraq some of the Iraqi soldiers I was with were wearing athletic shoes. I don't know if they couldn't get their hands on boots or what but they were wearing them on missions.

More than likely, they just found a picture and posted it with the article. This story is just breaking and everybody is trying to get information so I don't see the media already having pictures from the operation.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by Styki

Originally posted by rainfall
Well the thread didn't get hoaxed, so it looks like the U.S. military really are as disgraceful as I thought they are..


It looks like we need to find out the rest of the details before we come to a conclusion.

Even if the story is true the military is quite big. I would be so hasty to paint them all with one brush. Furthermore, being from Florida your tax dollars help pay for every bullet shot and bomb dropped.

Why don't you take Gandhi's route and try some non-violent civil disobedience. I'm sure refusing to pay your taxes would work.


Already doing my 'Gandhi' part...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Well, good luck with that.

I can't say anything bad about anyone who is putting beliefs before their well being in a peaceful manner.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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nwoobserver.wordpress.com...

This site shows photos of the people killed They all have beards except one I beleive. I would say mostly 16 to 20 in age. They say class 10 or in class 11 Which I think some reporter or propagandist changed to there ages. I can't say for sure but the picture of the one in the yellow shirt looks like hes in front of a big bag of nitrogen of some kind? The photos are not of happy campers veiw at your own risk.

Oh and can somebody explain what class uses a big bag of nitrogen? I never took that course in high school or middle school.

And what school dorm allows peasant and there wife to live there?

[edit on 7-1-2010 by JBA2848]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:17 PM
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Ironic I am thinking the same thing. I added notes with paint to point it out. Not American (or western) military or professional military.



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