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Let's Talk About Pornography For A Sec

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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:55 PM
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reply to post by Unlimitedpossibilities
 


So is the issue the pornography itself or the inability for some people, like you, to enjoy it in moderation?

I do not intend to put you down. Our society as a whole is sick because we have not been taught moderation.

Take our views toward alcohol, for example. If you look at the messages we get about alcohol in our media, schools, and religious institutions you will see that alcohol is almost always portrayed as always bad in any amount, or the message that drinking lots of alcohol is always wonderful and fun. The fact is life is not a beer commercial where cracking open a can of beer leads to an instant party, and it is not an after school special where taking one sip of alcohol is going to turn you into violent fiend who wrecks his car.




posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:56 PM
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My definition in the context of my "addiction" was 'Anything with 2nd base and above in video format.' Still pictures were never a problem because it was so unrealistic to me. Plus, with still pictures, I do not get the psychological emptiness after "the deed is done".

There was always something about video that just made me feel worse than any other sexual stimulant after "the deed". I must add that I have always been very sensitive in regards to listening to my body and mind.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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Why should second base matter? Can't material be just as destructive if somebody is over-indulging in watching the batter get thrown out at first? Shouldn't we be focusing on the effect on the viewer rather than whether the content shows somebody getting to first base, second base, or hitting a grand slam?

Let us all take a certain video called 2 girls 1 cup that many people have seen. It is arguably the raunchiest thing ever put on the internet. (If you can disprove this sentence, I do not need to see proof!) My guess is that even though this video is extremely raunchy and may even be obscene, the vast majority of the people that watch it are not sexually aroused. It does not stimulate them the same way dance shows on the Spanish station do.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Porn wont make someone rape another person, screwed up people make themselves rape other people. I have no interest in believing that any kind of porn would make someone do such a horrible act without there being a previous issue.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Well for me, I was not trained to be moderate or to have the discipline to implement moderation. However, this is only true for some areas of my life.

I think because I cannot moderate myself 'once the door has been opened wide', is the reason I cannot enjoy it.


I do not intend to put you down. Our society as a whole is sick because we have not been taught moderation.


Oh you are fine. No putting down here. I completely agree about the moderation.


In regards to alcohol, I am not much of a drinker. In terms of the guys, I am a lightweight. I have no problem drinking a beer or two once in a while (for me once in a while is about once every few months). However, as i am typing this, this just leads me to conclude that since we are all different, with different immune systems, nervous systems, genes, brains, etc, we all have a particular degree of toleration or moderation with respect to each other.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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You would think so huh?? But you have to live with the empty shell that you after... If thats what you want for life then what is the point of you??? Waisting air and good peoples time.... Well done mom and dad!!.. Pathetic...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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You may think you are clever but realy you sound like a sad perverted kid... Yuk... I had to have a shower after reading that post out of disgust.... Vile dude.... Vile.... About as clever loosing at heads and tails.. Wise up son...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint

Why should second base matter? Can't material be just as destructive if somebody is over-indulging in watching the batter get thrown out at first? Shouldn't we be focusing on the effect on the viewer rather than whether the content shows somebody getting to first base, second base, or hitting a grand slam?


Focusing on the affects to the viewer is what I am most concerned with, since it is me. I actually have a thread that I made that may clarify some of my feelings. However, its in R.A.T.S. and it may not be viewable. It may be a bit out of date with my current views but here it is.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Reading my thread again, I think for the most part I still feel that way except I did not mention moderation and maybe some other things.

So the question becomes, how much is too much and what is the ideal moderation of pornography per person. This would mean after viewing pornography, it has such little influence on the viewer, that one could not tell the difference between before viewing and after viewing.

I will think it over some more. For now I am taking a break.

ttyl


[edit on 7-1-2010 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:25 PM
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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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I wish you would stop talking. You haven't added to this thread not one bit, you just keep talking badly about people. As if you're the freaking second (or third but that's for another topic
) coming of Christ. Chill the hell out because to be quite frank, for people who actually read the threads thoroughly, you've been just ranting and ranting and ranting. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and in my opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to tell anyone their a waste of anything or anyone's air. let alone bash their upbringing? I'm tired of stupid people, especially ones who think they're always right. If you don't like what someone says, this is OBVIOUSLY the wrong site to be on.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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ok , i changed my post because it did sound offensive to the OP, but i really don't understand if it was a video of a rape or a normal porn due to the wording of the OP, and am still kinda confused about the whole situation,... but mostly bored.
very interesting thread though everybody, i know im an porn addict mostly when i don't have a job or life, but if I do than im one of those "anti-porn" guys,... an interesting correlation of video game addiction occurring when i have no life ether, as well as bad hygiene. Although unemployment/loserness has not been proven as the causing effect in all activities, it has been long suspected as the leading factor,

[edit on 7-1-2010 by genericname]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Yeah, but I question my existence errday anyway and accept that I'm a disappointment, failure, waste of space, oxygen thief and everything else anyway, so eh, more power to my right hand, I say.

It's better my "offspring" get disposed of in a tissue than brought into the world with a deadbeat dad.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:36 PM
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Hold on a second. Just a few posts back, you said this to me....


Originally posted by Selahobed


Amen... Pass it on.... its your duty...



Then, you seemed to get the hint that I was a fighter. Now you seem to be implying that I am giving up. Not once have I stated that I have given up, but only that will power alone was not enough at the time. However, since that time, I have gotten some help from freeware and anti-virus software that blocks whatever you choose out. This should help train me to be more aware of why I choose to look up pornography and how to overcome the "addiction".

Also, please present where I have self-justification exactly. I need to know exactly what you are talking about.

Further, if you notice, I have a specific definition that I EXPLICITLY defined as to what I classify as addiction. Please read my previous posts for that definition.



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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Yeesh, there are so many sites you can stream off that are free of viruses. Well, there probably are tracking cookies, but they're pretty harmless for the most part.

I think a bleak time for the porn enthusiast in the internet age is that he had to download porn from a P2P, and half of the time they were probably virus laden, but it was a risk you had to take. Kinda like playing Minesweeper.

Thankfully, once YouTube was implemented, there was a rise of sites similar in nature, but only concerning adult material.

Plus, antivirus programs are the bane of computing, really.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Selahobed
Porn is a conditioning tool to destroy the family.. What starts starts out as merely looking at naked ladies soon turns to worse and worse filth just like any addiction.. There is NO love in it... Just an animalistic act of self gratification bought to you by girls who have probably themselves been abused or conned because they are stupid, or on drugs... Thus making "normal" sex for you null invoid.. And WHICH the money thereoff ends up in the pockets of our enemies to buy bullets to kill our troops... Just an endless cycle of pain for the sake of a two minuet (being kind) knee trembler that leaves you more empty each time... You can stop the rot... Just imagine its your mom on the screen or your sister, and if that isnt enough to stop it then you are sick sick sick... Another tool of the NWO to make us loose, coz the family is the most potent force known to man, and if they can destroy that by weak mens addictions to pathetic one second knee tremblers.. Then we are screwed.... And THEY win...


Forgot to show you how wrong you are with this too..

First, porn does not destroy families. I don't know what twisted family you had, but I am a male, I do watch porn on occasions, and I can never imagine porn ruining a family. I doubt the ratio of - porn stars:sexually abused women that are porn stars - is anything even worth bringing into the argument. You bring porn into killing our troops.. I'm sorry but that is just ignorant. No I will not imagine my mom or sister on that screen, again, I don't know what family you grew up in so I wont judge. And now for the kicker. How dare you? "and if they can destroy that by weak mens addictions to pathetic one second knee tremblers..", who the hell are you to put an entire sex out there and act like we're addicted to porn? Because I watch porn makes the entire male gender family ruining sex fiends? Because more men watch porn then women do, makes men instantly home wreckers due to porn? That doesn't make even the least bit of sense to me, because that's like saying there aren't hardly ANY women pornography viewers. As a human, sex is something that you naturally will have urges for. Watching porn for WOMEN AND MEN is something that can ease that natural urge for sex. What would you rather, get raped by some man (I am guessing you are the girl in your avatar??), or shut your overly opinionated mouth, stop being moronic, and just take a good two minutes to yourself to tickle your fancy with a "two minute knee trembler." Maybe you'll ease off a little bit because you seem like you haven't had a bit of fun in a while.

This girls crazed rant of anti-male and anti sex reminds me of Beulah Ball Breaker off Porky's.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Selahobed
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You keep telling yourself that.. Self justification is mute... As a man you are a warrior who damn well takes control of his life... Or run like a pussy/waster... You have free will... To fight or not is YOUR choice....


These attacks coming from you are meaningless, assuming you are a woman. Only other men will understand what I am talking about apparently, since obviously all men have a similar brain structure and sexual feelings/impetuses.

It is easy for you to say on the sidelines, "Come on! Get your act together you sissy!" or what have you. Instead of trying to insult me, why not try to understand COMPLETELY where I am coming from. Like I said, it may not be possible because of our biological differences.

EDIT TO ADD: Of course, this is assuming that nature is the reason for such differences and not nurture.

I think I understand what you are trying to do. If you are trying to help me and give me confidence by putting some anger into me, then I thank you. You have influenced me in some sense to have more faith in my will power.

If you are just trying to attack me for the hell of it then.....Lets just not talk anymore.



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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by Unlimitedpossibilities

Originally posted by Selahobed
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You keep telling yourself that.. Self justification is mute... As a man you are a warrior who damn well takes control of his life... Or run like a pussy/waster... You have free will... To fight or not is YOUR choice....


These attacks coming from you are meaningless, assuming you are a woman. Only other men will understand what I am talking about apparently, since obviously all men have a similar brain structure and sexual feelings/impetuses.

It is easy for you to say on the sidelines, "Come on! Get your act together you sissy!" or what have you. Instead of trying to insult me, why not try to understand COMPLETELY where I am coming from. Like I said, it may not be possible because of our biological differences.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Unlimitedpossibilities]


Dude I'm with you on this. This girl is a moron and her opinion sucks. My whole life I have always said that addictions are due to people being weak minded, and whether that's true or not, I still support you and would never try to talk down to someone trying to better themselves. I must also add the weak minded comment isn't to offend you, but it's the best I could put it in words.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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A reminder to keep all posts on the topic and not the poster. There are many examples of this happening in recent pages and it must stop. Failure to discuss this topic in a meaningful fashion will result in closure of this topic and other potential action.

Thank you.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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Dude I'm with you on this. This girl is a moron and her opinion sucks. My whole life I have always said that addictions are due to people being weak minded, and whether that's true or not, I still support you and would never try to talk down to someone trying to better themselves. I must also add the weak minded comment isn't to offend you, but it's the best I could put it in words.


Well, I do appreciate your support. Even though, I do disagree with a couple of your statements, i think we can agree that some logic and attacks in this thread towards others and I were not necessary.


I admit. I was weak before. But I have been growing stronger and stronger. I have become more aware of how my mind works and have become more sensitive to my body's needs. My ultimate goal is to have no urges to look up pornography at all.



To point out, the one thing that I disagree with is the following statement:



First, porn does not destroy families.


There are hundreds, if not thousands of accounts of how when men who had started families, who were porn watchers, ended up destroying the family bonds that they created by getting addicted to porn (by the general definition of "porn addiction").

These men could not perform in bed, and eventually lost interest in even trying to have intimacy with there partners. Some accounts of losing there jobs in the process.

Yes. The porn itself is NOT to blame but the men's choices are to blame and lack of will power and foresight.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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I sense strength in you, a whole perfect storm... Your kids deserve you.. You are worthy man, just grit your teeth and prove it wrong... G-d bless you, i believe you can turn it around coz you are you and believed in.....



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