Let's Talk About Pornography For A Sec

reply to post by ModernAcademia

How can you tell me you don't think I know what rape is and end it there?

Simple, after reading the following, I came to a very logical assessment that you don't know what rape is.

more people will rape because they will be aroused by this.

This type of sexual violence will only make more rapists I find

If you watched these things how can you NOT think it would only increase rape numbers?

Now coupled with the fact that you don't understand correlation and causation (this is evident in your OP and the claims you're making), I can say you don't understand what rape is.

In a debate you are supposed expand on what you think especially when you say that the other person doesn't know what they are talking about

In debate you are supposed to offer definitions and outline the context of the words and terms being used. Before one can expand or articulate their premise they must do this--you didn't. Knowing this to be a basic aspect of debate (especially policy debate) I encourage you to rethink your claims and cease being the pot that calls the kettle black.

I would suggest watching those types of films would do more to decrease the amounts of rapes, as the above graph shows. -Most people who watch porn have a very specific and immediate agenda in mind, in which the porn helps them alleviate. after they are finished their thoughts move on to food or some other non sexual activity.

they have fulfilled, albeit in a very sad way, a very basic urge which in most cases goes away after the fact.

I have NEVER been a fan of watching porn with other people, and Ive always thought it was a little "gay" when a bunch of dudes are sitting there watching it together.

was it a store bought DVD? it could have been a niche film which the person was showing mostly for shock value. aside from vivd and private and few other larger companies, most porns you buy at the store have HORRIFIC production values, and most have to be very specialized (like getting stepped on by a woman with hairy legs) - or other things I cant mention without being banned from the site - to get people to buy them.

I have to agree. Porn may ease rape figures due to the fact that it provides sexual release, but rape is about power and control anyway. Pornography can be a double edged sword. On one hand, it definitely teaches its viewers certain aspects of sexual relationships. On the other, it can become an addiction. Reality and fantasy blur and that is when psychological problems develop that can adversely affect the individual, and his or her relationships.

There is nothing wrong when enjoying an adult film, as long as you keep in mind that, what you are viewing, is not necessarily the reality of all. Some adult films are obvious in catering to certain fetishes, and they can easily be avoided. Like thisguyrighthere said, there are some people who very much enjoy a certain level aggression in sex, and that is what they enjoy. Not all pornography is this way, there is even some pornography that caters to female desires and ideas of pornography and these may be a less violent.

One question ModernAcademia, why would you be sitting around, drinking beer and your friends decide that watching a pornography would be a good idea? Plus, I sense that maybe you have some issues with sex in general because as you state, you don't watch pornography, but yet, you sat around drinking beer with your friends analyzing what you were viewing. Something about it must have interested you, but you may not admit it. Sex is not bad, and watching others have sex, even on a screen is not unhealthy either.

His graph is misleading. Significantly so.

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Originally posted by souls
One question ModernAcademia, why would you be sitting around, drinking beer and your friends decide that watching a pornography would be a good idea?

That does seem a little bizarre.

I cant think of any time hanging out with my friends that anyone ever suggested sitting around and getting wood together.

What fun! Blue ball with the buds.

If there were some women there and it one of them who wanted to put it on I'd be all for it but a room full of wood would make me regurgitate my beer.

Personal preferences I suppose.

reply to post by Aeons


No, your graph is as it only pertains to one state. These are more up to date.

www.fbi.gov...
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reply to post by thisguyrighthere


I have to agree and hell I'm gay for god sakes lol.

I don't really see the point in a bunch of "friends" sitting around and watching porn, even if it was female friends, who wants to do their friends while watching porn?

It would ruin the mood IMO.

In any case porn is porn, the people are paid. It's not like a snuff film or something, and I said previously there are people who are aroused the most by pain and violence during sex.

It's personnal preference.

~Keeper

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Exactly. It is a little strange, and the fact that the OP felt uncomfortable, but did not walk away shows interest in it, or an inability decide for oneself. Peer pressure maybe?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


i do see where your coming from i think,from my own experience and listening to both sex`s talking about their sexual activities very openly nowday`s, women watch kinky porn as much as the men,the women have the power of sex and they know that in the uk now, and are taking over the men, loving a rough badboy,each to their own i say. sex is a two way streak and women wont let you do something they dont want you too ,or if they try and dont like it,they will tell you to stop,also there`s been bad press on fake rape claims and think women have started to think twice before playing that card for scournful revenge.but getting drunk out of your mind and having a one night stand with a stranger is asking for trouble

And yet, the bottom line of forced rape is the same as yours. Because that is how statistics work. That graph is likely more representative because it includes other forms.

Your examiner graph is MISLEADING. Because it is only capturing a single narrow definition, but also because it claims that reported rape and rape are the same thing. It also doesn't take into consideration sexual assaults figures kept by women's counselling agencies or medical establishments - where people show up for help but refuse to report to the law.

Misleading. Very misleading.


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There is some 12 year old boy watching this stuff online, and he thinks this is normal. Even if he isn't predisposed to force, he is learning lessons on what "women like." He's going to be your daughter's boyfriend one day, and he's going to think THAT is what she wants and is normal. When she doesn't act like those women, he's going to be confused and a bit upset.

And you guys are busy going "well whatever gets his freak on" ....with my daughter. Brilliant guys. You've obviously all thought this out.

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I have no idea what you watched and what youre qualifying as violent, and I mean that sincerely as in, on a scale of puritain to freakazoid what did you see, (and no you dont need to explain).
I watch cooking shows and they make me want to eat, not cook.
Now they seem to make the wife want to cook, but she doesnt eat that much, just loves to make up stuff, and it tastes good.
I watch comedies and they make me laugh, not want to be an actor.
And I watch cspan and it makes me want to build a guillotine.
Porn? eh shrugs shoulders... I think it serves a purpose if not for stimuli then for trips to the spank bank.

Porn doesn't cause people to go out and rape. The oh so violent tape you seen is a genre of it's own where people consent to be treated rough and abused for the film, and would you believe that people enjoy it? And I don't mean watching it.. I mean actually doing it...

They are actors. They are paid. What they "look" like on a film, and actual enjoyment are two totally different things. They consent for MONEY, not enjoyment.

Actors. They are Acting.

The thing is, the OP hasn't even told us what he saw. For all we know it could be vanilla but due to the OP's take on porn, he simply thinks it's violent.

So in what way was this film "violent"?

Well, I never had any lesbian fantasies until I watched porn...

Therefore, I think it follows that it can give you new ideas that yu may want to act upon.

i`ve seen gay porn,and let me tell you it never planted any seeds in my head,more like my stomach.yuck

One person is naughty finger wagging about causation and other's people lack of understanding of it.

There is a trend in ALL crime rates falling across the board in the USA. All of them are falling.

The fact is that after much study, criminologists have essentially concluded - they don't know WHY rates are falling.

Attributing a drop in forceable rape charges to porn is -again- misleading. Is the drop in burglaries and homicide also attributable to porn?

What you could ask is - how is that all the reported crimes are falling across the board and your prisions are still full the exploding?

Originally posted by Selahobed
Porn is a conditioning tool to destroy the family.. What starts starts out as merely looking at naked ladies soon turns to worse and worse filth just like any addiction.. There is NO love in it... Just an animalistic act of self gratification bought to you by girls who have probably themselves been abused or conned because they are stupid, or on drugs... Thus making "normal" sex for you null invoid.. And WHICH the money thereoff ends up in the pockets of our enemies to buy bullets to kill our troops... Just an endless cycle of pain for the sake of a two minuet (being kind) knee trembler that leaves you more empty each time... You can stop the rot... Just imagine its your mom on the screen or your sister, and if that isnt enough to stop it then you are sick sick sick... Another tool of the NWO to make us loose, coz the family is the most potent force known to man, and if they can destroy that by weak mens addictions to pathetic one second knee tremblers.. Then we are screwed.... And THEY win...

Destruction of the family, addiction, savagery, selfishness, abuse, drugs, terrorism, decay of the soul, incest, mental illness, and let's not forget the NWO!

Funniest post ever, I heartily LOL'd.

Men like looking at sexy women, it'd be weird if they didn't.

Men like looking at sexy women.

And if they don't imagine that she is anything but a bunch of pixels, and isn't a real person at all then no harm no foul.

However, if she is a real person - with financial reasons, or psychological reasaons, or even trauma reasons why she is doing this - and you don't think about her children at home, or her at dinner with her parents - you know someone who is a real human being...no problem.

Nothing stops you from looking at the lovely women. Something could intercede to make you ask yourself - what would I think if this was a real woman I know? Someone I care about? How would I feel about this then?

Originally posted by souls
Exactly. It is a little strange, and the fact that the OP felt uncomfortable, but did not walk away shows interest in it, or an inability decide for oneself. Peer pressure maybe?

guys what's with all the off-topics

also you are all for some reason picturing me sitting there watching it for a long period of time. Most people were like close it man, even me.
It was for like maybe 4-5 minutes or something and on top of that the guy was fowarding alot too.

we were helping the guy move and later were drinking beer
we all know how good beer taste after physical labor