Sitting president's eligibility questioned by member of congress, page 2

reply to post by dashen

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Why bother belonging to a website that discusses political discourse if you have already chosen to "just sit back"?And why join in?Why not "just sit back" and watch orpah?You know the fact that you can have that opinion and voice it speaks to the greatness of this country,pardon me for wanting to keep it that way.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by genius/idoit]

reply to post by randyvs

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Pardon me, but do you realise the implications of trying to question such a gargantuan system, where you are sooooooo far removed from the top of the power and control structure?

Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

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I don't understand
Are you using the 'anti-semitic' accusation-model ?
You know -- the way some people respond to ANY less than sycophantic remark about jews by rushing in with 'that's anti semitic'
So is the anti-semitic accusation-model one of the 'defences' utilized by pro-Obamists to stifle ANY less than sycophantic remark about Obama ?

No...I'm not. In fact, I'm rather disappointed in how your Obama has worked out. I am commenting on the fact that certain members seem to go through life wearing "I hate Obama" eyeware, so that everything they say or do is passed through that lens. My comments were directed at just such an individual, and in following his posts here and there, I'd have to say that they verge upon the pathological.

That's an observation based upon his posting patterns and is by no means intended to be insulting...nor is he the only one. But I find such apparently singleminded vitriol to be disturbing, no matter what the subject.

The question? So what is left when the object focused upon is removed? I'm thinking there'll be a void.

reply to post by dashen

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Pardon me, but do you realise the implications of trying to question such a gargantuan system, where you are sooooooo far removed from the top of the power and control structure

Well at least I have the power to pardon you. just kidding.

Well yeah! I mean it's the same question actually.

reply to post by genius/idoit

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Yes, ideally you should be able to say whatever you want. Brave people have fought and died for us to allegedly have that right. We're pretty sure on this site that our comments and posts are probably monitored by one or more intel agencies. Its been mentioned above how the secret service is getting extra touchy about what people say about Obama. I say, sit back, yes. Try to fathom the enormity of it, and where your place within it is, or if you want to be separate from it. Questioning a president's eligibility goes back to Lincoln, and Van Buren. What I ask is, if you get so worked up about the twisted abomination that our system has become, what do you propose be done about it? I contend that it is far too late to do anything about it, less all-out rebellion, which I do not advocate at this juncture.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by dashen]

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

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Well since you are obviously referring to me let me answer that honestly.If there wasn't a situation where I felt the country was at risk,such as the dems having control of the house &senate&pres.I would gladly let the idiots fight amongst themselves and not pay to much attention.But until an equilibrium is restored(in 2010 IMHO)I believe it behooves me to be ever vigilant.I get exited when I think anything might arise that will slow down what these people are trying to do right now.

No void if obama's gone,only relief(like passing a kidney stone)

Originally posted by kozmo
Anyone else remeber that!? methinks I smell a hint of hypocrisy in the air!!!

That's one I always go back to when this administration complains that someone's being mean to them.

I went through many thoughts on this and determined he's probably (note: "probably") legitimate.

Obama could stop this all with simply showing the true long form birth certificate, pass port, school records. You know, all the stuff we knew about every other candidate or previous sitting president? A smart person, and O's supposed to be smart, would simply hold up the evidence and say "see, now shut up". So I started thinking, maybe there's something to this birther stuff.

BUT, if I were trying to pass downright criminal legislation and trying to bring down the country (read Cloward/Piven strategy cloward-piven.com...), then wouldn't it be better if all the opposers' eyes were directed over....here. So, withholding the information and keeping everyone looking at the birth certificate hand keeps some from seeing what the other hand is doing, to be cliche.

reply to post by Dark Ghost

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Intriguing, but will probably amount to nothing. Possibly a case of disinformation intended to distract and deflect from where attention should be focussed.

What should we be focused on?

reply to post by dashen

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less all-out rebellion, which I do not advocate at this juncture.

All out rebellion very nasty indeed. Also not needed if something like this were found to be true, it would mean the roots go a lot deeper than just the current administration. There would almost be a baptism by fire or
a complete major malfunction resulting in localised martial law through out.

Piddles

it's seriously a non-issue created and exploited by angry racists who can't believe there's a black guy in office, with many others following based on their political beliefs.

This sounds like a Chris Mathews arguement.
Possible wingnut.
Not probable.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by randyvs]

reply to post by piddles

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sure, all Obama opposers are racist...of course even the black Obama opposers are racist. you're right,

just answer this question.
why seal his school records and passport records?

reply to post by genius/idoit

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So you would define threat as any one who disagrees with him or wants to insure his citizenship is legitimate?

No, but I would say both people mentioned are certifiable. Questioning is hardly the same as filing umpteen frivolous lawsuits, obsessing all over the
web, and generally making a spectacle of yourself.
And sorry friend, as to "personal attacks", that's exactly what you are doing to Obama even if you don't get it. as for you, I merely am pointing out your comparison between the secret service and the Gestapo is to say the least, very poorly thought out.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

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He's not 'my' Obama, incidentally. I'm one of the international posters who take an interest, based on the amount of interference by the US in the lives of non-Americans

It's been reported in the msm that one of Obama's first official acts was to seal his records. Did he imagine that would reassure those already concerned by the lack of transparency re: his place of birth ?

Mud sticks. If Obama doesn't realise that AND the implications as regards his office, then he has no business holding that office

' This is what I'm claiming and you can believe it or not. I don't care. I'm not going to clarify this confusing issue re: my place of birth, religion or loyalties. I'm here. I'm President. Like it or lump it ' ? Is that the attitude of someone with an interest in assuring 300 million people that he can be trusted to steer them through turbulent and difficult times ? Is it the attitude of someone who is asking Americans to support wars overseas at the same time his administration advises that 500 of those Americans will die in just one of those wars each month ?

It used to be that when someone was applying for a position of responsibility, involving perhaps the lives of others and certainly their money and futures, that the applicant would make a strenuous and sincere effort to furnish their credentials, their work history, character references, personal and other history, etc.

In order to hold the office of President of the United States, one stipulation is that the candidate MUST be able to prove they were born in the United States

It seems that Obama has failed to prove this to the satisfaction of a large percentage of the American public, even one year after gaining office

It shouldn't be difficult to satisfy the doubts and questions. It would be manifestly easier to prove one has been born in the United States, for example, than for a 12 year old to pass an exam. After all, if Obama possesses a birth certificate which proves unequivocally that he was born in the United States, he need only produce such a certificate. It either exists or it does not. The document should be above doubt. What mother does not ensure her children's birth certificates are 100% bonafide ? What mother does not keep her children's birth certificates in a safe yet accessible location ? After all, a mother is compelled to produce those certificates several times during the child's life

So why isn't Obama able to produce his birth certificate with the same naturalness and openness as any other American ?

How did he obtain passports during all those years prior to becoming President ? And IF he was in possession of a demonstrably genuine birth certificate all through those years, why can't he produce it just as easily now ?

It's said Obama travelled on a British passport for many years ? Why ? Why didn't he travel on an American passport ?

The questions, uncertainty and doubt of many Americans re: Obama's legitimacy are themselves legitimate. It behoves Obama AND all members of Congress to cease claims of legitimacy until such time as Congress and/or Obama have proved beyond all shadow of doubt that he is entitled to hold the office of President of the US.

This will not go away until such time as Obama makes full disclosure re: the location of his birth. The fact so many continue to doubt Obama serves to divide the populace. Or perhaps that's what's intended ?

reply to post by joey_hv

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because he can.

www.sealmyrecord.com...


apostille.us...


looks like I can, too.



also, had you read my careful choice of wording, I said this idea was created by racists but is perpetuated by people based on their political belief.

Yea, a black guy in office was born in africa. That doesn't sound too easy, if not just plain racist to you?

reply to post by joey_hv

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sure, all Obama opposers are racist...of course even the black Obama opposers are racist. you're right,


Now there you go again! Funny how the question of racism against a black President is always mysteriously transposed to the completly fake "all criticism is racist" BS.
This tactic is ridiculous, by your "reasoning" then, either ALL criticism is racist, or NO criticism is racist. thats just stupid. To pretend that their is NO racism towards the President is just plain, ....well, I already said it.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by OldDragger]

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