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posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
We should all sign a letter to send to the President demanding that he show his birth certificate. Although he has put a law in place to block his birth certificate ever being public, we THE PEOPLE have a RIGHT TO KNOW!!!!! I don't understand why somebody would go to such lengths to hide something so simple. I think this is because he has something to hide. There is no other explanation!

And of course the msm isn't going to cover anything like this. They love the guy for whatever demented reason.

I am glad a rep. is finally saying something, although he should have had it signed by not only other reps, but people in congress and American citizens. I think it would have had a much bigger impact then.


We should sign a letter and send it to the POTUS . . saying . . .
we're sorry for carrying on this way . . drawing this political BS on
and on . . wasting time on mean, disrespectful digs that put you
down . . as a man . . and as a president.




posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
reply to post by maybereal11
 


I am confussed, who are you refering to as liars?


Here, let me demonstrate with your most recent post.


Originally posted by Victoria 1
We should all sign a letter to send to the President demanding that he show his birth certificate.


He has..

The long-form/Certificate of Live Birth/Birth Certificate BS is premised on the general populations lack of understanding of what those terms actually mean.

The idea that a "Certificate of Live Birth" is not what is commonly referred to as a "Birth Certificate"...in short, some states issue COLBs and some issue BCs. Hawaii calls theirs a "Certificate of Live Birth" and the one the POTUS presented has been scrutinized and validated more than any birth certificate ever issued in Hawaii.

Again...this has been debated, linked, sourced and proven ad nauseum here on ATS...a favorite tactic of the "regulars" in the birther movement is to abandon threads where the BS has been disproven...give it time and then repeat in another thread or OP...

..at worst you waste the time and energy of those annoying folks that give a rats ass about facts and make them repeat themselves and find the links all over again....

at best you convince some new posters of your BS...Win/Win...ugly, but true.


Originally posted by Victoria 1
Although he has put a law in place to block his birth certificate ever being public,


He hasn't....
Link me to the actual law...no free republic or WND please, No right wing opinion piece....the actual law.

If he has passed a law to "block his birth certificate ever being public" then direct me to it. I''l give you a hint...find where you read this, does it cite the actual law? I doubt it, but if so look on government or congressional websites...each law is given a number and letter title...

show it to me please.


Originally posted by Victoria 1
I don't understand why somebody would go to such lengths to hide something so simple.


He hasn't.....

Get it? Do I really have to explain what BS is to you?

Are some people just born without any sense of what is BS? Maybe, but many of the posters that perpetuate the BS are highly capable researchers, but only manage to find/source information from the free republic and WND et al.

Maybe the far right has some special web browser/search engine I am unaware of?
"The Fox News internet experience"?
"Rush Limbaughs portal to web search"?

Absent that I am calling those apparently intelligent posters "Dishonest" because they intentionally repeat things they know to be false in hopes of bolstering a general opposition to the POTUS.

... and the ones that are genuine believers...well ...just incapable of researching, reading, and objectively assesing data and factual information for themselves? Self decieving? Their world view is so important to thier identity that they are willing to decieve themselves?

As for the congressman...Race, money and Votes in the south...though I don't think it will work out for him.

Personally I am not all that fond of the Presidents' actions and policies these days...Does that mean I am willing to lie and perpetuate other peoples lies?

No. Because when all the shouting is over...I have to still look myself in the mirror and like what I see.

Honesty....not to be confused with always being "right"...just the choice not to decieve others or myself as I go about my day to day reasoning and discussions.

Still confused?


Originally posted by Victoria 1
And of course the msm isn't going to cover anything like this.


Because they don't want to report clear and repeatedly disproven BS as news. It would cost them credibility and money.


Originally posted by Victoria 1
I am glad a rep. is finally saying something, although he should have had it signed by not only other reps, but people in congress and American citizens. I think it would have had a much bigger impact then.


He tried to get other GOP Reps to sign it...none would. The reason he felt comfortable doing it is...

(1) He is leaving congress as a corruption investigationto against him ramps up...which BTW is only valid if he remains in Congress...to run for Govenor of GA..

(2) He thought it would buy him voters in rural Georgia in his upcomming bid for Govenor, but even there he underestimated his constituants...a common GOP tactical failing these days...assuming the conservative populace will happily gobble down BS because they oppose policy.

This is the Atlanta (GA) Journal in response to the news..
Ladies and gentlemen, our next governor…?


That ever-pandering, always-scheming and impossible-to-embarrass Einstein of elections, that high potentate of principled if profit-turning politicians …

Ladies and gentlemen of the fine state of Georgia, I give you … Nathan “Let’s Make A” Deal!!!!


blogs.ajc.com...



[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by genius/idoit
Can you imagine if Bush had this happen?You wouldn't get any other news for weeks.


Bush did have this happen.

en.wikipedia.org...

It was not reported on the "news".



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by KeeperOfGenisis

Who cares what the bible said and anyway why does the USA have to be babylon? Oh i forgot you're just another Obama hater


If you say seW.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11


Originally posted by Victoria 1
Although he has put a law in place to block his birth certificate ever being public,


He hasn't....
Link me to the actual law...no free republic or WND please, No right wing opinion piece....the actual law.

If he has passed a law to "block his birth certificate ever being public" then direct me to it. I''l give you a hint...find where you read this, does it cite the actual law? I doubt it, but if so look on government or congressional websites...each law is given a number and letter title...

show it to me please.


Since I am not expecting a response anytime soon ...

Here you go...
This is what this particular thread of BS is based on....
Executive Order 13489

Don't worry that it doesn't say anything about Birth Certificates...think creatively



Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.

edocket.access.gpo.gov...

Here again...the tactic is to rely upon ignorance.

Hmm...they talk about records..."Presidential Records"...can we make the leap to his Birth Certificate?

Well of course they did....while ignoring the fact that this Order speaks to "Executive" Privilege and "PRESIDENTIAL" records....

He was not President when he was born.

This Order only pertains to records and communications etc. while he holds the office of President. Ditto with "Executive Privilege"...and even then withholding information is not the Presidents discretion...he can claim "Executive Privilege", but the Attorney General, The Archivist, White House Counsel must all agree...and even then the person requesting the records can appeal to the courts and the courts decide if the info is relevant.

And let me repeat...this order does not apply to anything outside of or before his appointment as President...like a Birth Certificate.

Just one example of how this BS works....If you want to be a good birther...pretend you never read this...and don't research or validate it for yourself...

This order has no application to his Birth Certificate.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by Angus123

You are just too adorable. As I recall your links were jokes.
And I don't have a rock. I have a job. You shoul get out mommy's basement and find one


My links were jokes really? Socialist dictatorial laws being signed by President Obama, and the links I gave you were from Congress...Links to Rachel Madow, which perhaps someone didn't tell you, but SHE IS A LIBERAL, as well as other Liberal sources, and all you have to say is "your links were jokes"?....


Buddy, every time you do the same. I have never, ever seen you provide anything of substance in the forums, all you do is TRY to dismiss the evidence that shows what the entire Obama administration is doing to the country...

Don't get me wrong, there were many things i didn't agree with George Bush, there were some I agreed with, but your Progressive President, and his entire administration have done more harm to the Republic, and to the American people than any other President, and that includes Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, giving away America's future, it's prosperity, and the prosperity of Americans to the Socialist elite bankers who have caused, and used the economic crisis so more Socialist dictatorial laws can be implemented.

BTW, I never lived in my mother's basement, but thanks for letting us know you are.


[edit on 8-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]


Oh please... either you're developmentally disabled or your 12. Either way your rants and your "evidence" (giggle) is pathetic. So naturally I'm going to dismiss it... and you.
Do you even know what socialist means? It means vampire baby killer right?


P.S. Yes... I am living in your mothers basement. Saucy old gal she is


[edit on 8-1-2010 by Angus123]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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LOL, LOL, . . . LOL.
2nd line . . . LOL, LOL, LOL.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?


Star and agree...I pointed out the same on the last page...


Originally posted by maybereal11
I will say this..

When the OP topic is about the POTUS's eligibility and 90% of the hater posters skip right to slamming his political views and policies...

It is very telling with regards to core motivation and intellectual honesty.

If you are willing to lie and be dishonest just to support your political views and disdain for his policies ...that makes you exactly like what you claim to abhor.... the typical lying politician.

Peace.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:24 PM
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The evidence presented is never good enough for those determined to derail a thread by baiting members into a policy debate or by attempting to back people into corners.

First the sources are always discredited without backup, then comes the attempt to discredit the poster without any substance.

This issue still remains the same for those who still have questions about Barry.
Personally, I have given up on the BC issue because Obama will never cough up the documents that have been requested. I am more interested in all of the other information and documents from his adult life that Obama has locked up never to be seen again.

I want people to learn more about him from something other than his well crafted memoirs. His Harvard Law Review writings would be a good start.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by genius/idoit
 



If it were Nazi Germany they would have been hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed.
Big difference don't ya think. See, that's your problem, you don't.


Based only in the word of the party leader & his lackeys, people the govt says are 'bad' (aka terrorists) get hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed... after being denied due process & tortured.

Oh wait.. many have been killed at bagram airbase, abu ghraib and assassinated while eating dinner with wife & kids at home by joystick jockeys piloting drones.

But all this nazi behavior is cool because it's exported, eh?



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by genius/idoit
 



If it were Nazi Germany they would have been hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed.
Big difference don't ya think. See, that's your problem, you don't.


Based only in the word of the party leader & his lackeys, people the govt says are 'bad' (aka terrorists) get hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed... after being denied due process & tortured.

Oh wait.. many have been killed at bagram airbase, abu ghraib and assassinated while eating dinner with wife & kids at home by joystick jockeys piloting drones.

But all this nazi behavior is cool because it's exported, eh?


It's called war. I never said it was "cool". Because you put words in my mouth no reponses to you.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?


Because his policies are the only real issues. Birthers don't like them, BUT they don't want to intelligently argue them...so this is what they resort to...this and carrying guns at rallies.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Aggie Man]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?


Don't you find it odd that the standard used to determine obamas eligibility is LOWER than the eligibility standard to become a police officer in California?

People who only present a "certification of live birth" will not be hired.. just as a "certification of license to drive" wont substitute as an actual "drivers license". ONLY a verifiable long form "Certificate of Live Birth" is acceptable to be a cop, but a president gets away with a certification? and that's ok?

Shouldn't the guy who has his finger on "the button" at least be able to rise to standards demanded of lowly Calif street cops?



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
Don't you find it odd that the standard used to determine obamas eligibility is LOWER than the eligibility standard to become a police officer in California?
....ONLY a verifiable long form "Certificate of Live Birth" is acceptable to be a cop,


care to post a valid source for that claim? And a valid source is a Police departments site where that is stated, not a "birthers" blog!

also SFPD, SDPD and LAPD do not require such a certificate... only proof of citizenship!

[edit on 8/1/10 by dereks]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
People who only present a "certification of live birth" will not be hired.. just as a "certification of license to drive" wont substitute as an actual "drivers license". ONLY a verifiable long form "Certificate of Live Birth" is acceptable to be a cop, but a president gets away with a certification? and that's ok?

Shouldn't the guy who has his finger on "the button" at least be able to rise to standards demanded of lowly Calif street cops?


Sounds like a California problem. Everyone always wants to point out how state regulations differ from federal...you know, the old states rights bag...well, if California wants to make it more time consuming to apply for a job, then it is California's right to do so...but the Federal government doesn't have to play by the same rules.

Not to mention...Californicators have immigration issues...worse than TX even...so I can understand why they would be stringent.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by OldDragger
Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?


Don't you find it odd that the standard used to determine obamas eligibility is LOWER than the eligibility standard to become a police officer in California?

People who only present a "certification of live birth" will not be hired.. just as a "certification of license to drive" wont substitute as an actual "drivers license". ONLY a verifiable long form "Certificate of Live Birth" is acceptable to be a cop, but a president gets away with a certification? and that's ok?

Shouldn't the guy who has his finger on "the button" at least be able to rise to standards demanded of lowly Calif street cops?


I'll just assume your are confused....seriously...

Law requires that each state recognize certified, validated (registrars seal) "Certificate of Live Births" or "Birth Certificates" from other states.

whether the document is a "Birth certificate" or Certificate of Live birth" will depend on what state issued it.

It's local and federal law. It's part of that whole..."union" thing with states.

So the idea that the state of California will not recognize a COLB from Hawaii with a registrars seal...that doesn't sound likely unless California has seceeded from the union.

I also assume from what you contend that someone born in Canada couldn't be a CA cop either?...

The logic fails on so many fronts...

But I'll be interested to see what you come up with to back up this BS....what I expect to see is ...nothing...just the sound of crickets...or more accurately BS and cowardice.



[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]

[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by genius/idoit
 



If it were Nazi Germany they would have been hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed.
Big difference don't ya think. See, that's your problem, you don't.


Based only in the word of the party leader & his lackeys, people the govt says are 'bad' (aka terrorists) get hauled off to prison without charges, detained in secret, and possibly killed... after being denied due process & tortured.

Oh wait.. many have been killed at bagram airbase, abu ghraib and assassinated while eating dinner with wife & kids at home by joystick jockeys piloting drones.

But all this nazi behavior is cool because it's exported, eh?


It's called war. I never said it was "cool". Because you put words in my mouth no reponses to you.


The nazi party leader used the same excuse.. and people bought it back then too.

Imagine that...



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by GovtFlu

Originally posted by OldDragger
Ain't it interesting that these so called "eligibility" threads inevitably turn into arguments over Obamas policies? And that the "birthers" always despise him personally and hate his policy?
Coincidence?

Which issue are you arguing here guys?


Don't you find it odd that the standard used to determine obamas eligibility is LOWER than the eligibility standard to become a police officer in California?

People who only present a "certification of live birth" will not be hired.. just as a "certification of license to drive" wont substitute as an actual "drivers license". ONLY a verifiable long form "Certificate of Live Birth" is acceptable to be a cop, but a president gets away with a certification? and that's ok?

Shouldn't the guy who has his finger on "the button" at least be able to rise to standards demanded of lowly Calif street cops?


I'll just assume your are confused....seriously...

Law requires that each state recognize certified, validated (registrars seal) "Certificate of Live Births" or "Birth Certificates" from other states.

whether the document is a "Birth certificate" or Certificate of Live birth" will depend on what state issued it.

It's local and federal law. It's part of that whole..."union" thing with states.

So the idea that the state of California will not recognize a COLB from Hawaii with a registrars seal...that doesn't sound likely unless California has seceeded from the union.

I also assume from what you contend that someone born in Canada couldn't be a CA cop either?...

The logic fails on so many fronts...

But I'll be interested to see what you come up with to back up this BS....what I expect to see is ...nothing...just the sound of crickets...or more accurately BS and cowardice.



[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]

[edit on 8-1-2010 by maybereal11]


Uh, no.. police depts don't blindly accept certifications people turn in because they are easily faked... people will lie to get a job only 3% qualify for.

During the background phase, on top of handing in what they have, the applicant doesn't have a choice of what documents s/he gets to provide, the applicant will sign dozens of forms allowing the dept to obtain any and all relevant documents on behalf of the applicant.. including a long form birth certificate.

And yes, if requested even hawaii will send someone to dig up the original "certificate" of live birth, compare it to the "certification", and fax a copy of BOTH for dept records... because it's easily done, and the applicant authorized it because s/he wont get hired without it.

Military guys used to hand in "certifications" of this and that for all sorts of things, then wonder why their background was taking 6-9 months to complete.. because nothing they hand in is accepted as face value until the dept gets to see an official copy the original.

LAPD has been duped into hiring felons with bogus birth certifications from out of state because their background investigators didn't verify every last document.. which made it a LIABILITY not to.

Besides, you would expect the local police dept to go the extra mile to dot every i and cross every t to make damn sure the person they are giving a gun to, and the authorization to shoot you dead, is exactly who they say they are.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by GovtFlu
all relevant documents on behalf of the applicant.. including a long form birth certificate.


Care to show where that is stated? You birthers are pathetic, you have no idea at all how things work, the certificate Obama has on the website is valid and certified, and is all you need to prove your birth in the USA

Obama is the POTUS, born in the USA and you hate the fact that a black man is the President, but wont admit it so try and make up any silly excuse to prove he is not the true POTUS. Except you have failed miserably, and all your attempts are only making you look very silly



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