The poster who started this thread is, in fact, a liar. You have information, but will not relate it? You can't relate it because you know absolutely nothing whatsoever. Join Rense or Prisonplanet and stop wasting our time. This is complete drivel. Please, if you in fact truly knew something the admission of this alone would see you liquidated by Cheney immediately. Don't take us for moron's or sheep. How rediculous you are. You are now dismissed. It's in your best interest, kid, to cancel this username and remake another post-haste.
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Simplicity. Hidden in plain sight, but obscured to nearly all. As American's, it is my belief that the establishment has one goal and one goal alone: To incite internal armed revolution as a pretext to martial law. It doesn't matter what has occured. The one and only goal is martial law regardless of how it is accomplished. They are counting on you to break and revolt. They are counting on you to fulfill your conditioning as a mass-manchurian candidate. In short, you are simply doing exactly as they predicted and planned for.

We should vote independant across the board using Obama's failure to fulfill even ONE of his campaign promises to convince democrat and republican voter's alike that it doesn't matter which party "control's" the government, they are both one and the same. Bush's illegitimate, molatto son, Obama, has done nothing more than fulfill his father's ambition's. Obama has even succeeded where Bush failed. Build upon this, support your argument's by comparing both these opposing party president's to prove they're one and the same and hold the same agenda. We should convince every voter, regardless of party affiliation, to vote Independant, regardless of the candidate. What would happen if nearly all congressional office holder's AND the next president were Independant's? Would we see a republican/democrat redux or would we actually retake our country from within, utilizing our simple right to vote! As we all know, your presidential vote doesn't matter, it never has. Evidenced by, to date, 7 president's being elected into office who have lost the popular vote (the last president who lost the popular vote was Bush and did you see the farce Gore used to take your attention away from this fact?). Keep in mind, presidential candidate's are voted in via the electoral college AKA state delegation's (don't you love how they simply renamed them?). But your vote for your state house rep. and senatorial rep. and federal house rep. and senatorial rep. does count! (Think of all the billion's we waste upon the lie of our ability to elect our own president!) Vote Independant and clear Washington of the one party controller's; yes one party as democrat and republican are one and the same. The current and immediately past president only differ regarding skin color, and that's it. Consider this proposal before you fall into their trap and throw your live's away needlessly, and uselessly, in a faux-revolution THEY started, though you believe you will have started. Remember, dying unnecessarily especially when planned isn't patriotic, it's ignorance.

Originally posted by mosesgunner
uhh yeah i read that story when it broke. Any point you plan to make with this?

Does OP have a ranch in the middle east?

I'm not buying the idea that the CIA needs the aid of an Oregon rancher.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by mosesgunner]

If you read the thread you would have read the 6th and 7th post in the thread and not ask what you just did. Try reading the 6th and 7th posts as both posts shed info on the OP and one of them includes a link to the threads in question. Again, he made his claims over a year ago, yet that story just broke this year. Again, read the threads in their entirety before you call him a quak or nutcase. Also, in saying that I'm not saying he is true, isn't a quak, etc. I'm just saying the guy could actually be on to something.

THE BRUTAL TRUTH

All criminology is, in essence simple. 9/11 cannot be "solved" as neither the "Truthers" nor the "debunkers" will actually treat it as a normal crime, albeit a vast one and just rely on incidental information.

All crimes need to be analysed in terms of:_

- MEANS
- OPPORTUNITY
- MOTIVE

The evidence of MEANS and OPPORTUNITY clearly establish the basis of a case of "inside Job" whilst leaving the "Official LIne" as utterly impossible, implausible and nearly infinitely unlikely. Indeed, using "Debunker" logic, I have shown on other threads that it is easier to prove that Santa Claus is not only feasible but should be accepted as a fact than iot is to support the official line.

The "Truther" movement falls down sharply as they have taken the "MOTIVE" issue way too lightly and have failed to think it through logically.

Consider, if one is unhappy with someone on Ebay, they are only too happy to boot them off. Why? The answer is wealth. Wealthy folk are not concerned with raising the next rent cheque liek the rest of us - they are primarily concerned with ensuring that the law does not "break up the party" and put a stop to the cash flow.

Now whilst enrichment is indeed a great motivator for underlings to be bribed into doing the donkey work and this would have been a major factor in those who were an accessory to this mass murder, it fails to explain why people with so much to loose would have risked all on this.

Likewise, when Thatcher went to war with Argentina over the Falklands in the 1980's she did not have Canary Wharf blown up and blame it on the Argies, she merely sent her amry and navy down to boot out the invading Argentine force.

There is a reason for 9/11, a truly terrible one, why it was originally conceived. At first glance it seems far fetched, but when one takes into account surrounding evidence, it is all too likely. And as Shelock Holmes most famously pointed out, when all else has been eliminated, what =ever remains, however ridiculous, must be the truth.

the only reason i am no dead n all probability was that thread..... I am no liar I offered to take a lie detector test with andy remember???. I have lost everything trying to save not just my life..but yours as well. So again I apologize for the thread am already as much as a dead man over this,, hell I was a world champion before and now just like andy schneider said.. wont ever ride at any level again and the same debunkers will tell you how hard anderson worked.. ya not a full barn or a win in the USA directly on TV selling word fro word my program while I was in Germany before 9-11. Just like chertoffs cousin said they can do anything and get away with it.

THE FRIGHTENING POSSIBILITY OF WHY 9/11 WAS DONE

Consider, George W Bush was not a bright man, so how could any "Inside Job" plotters trust him to deceive the world? There is only one way...By having him tell the truth. ANd who did George Bush say did 9/11...religious fanatics.

ALso consider, when people do things against their own interests, what is almost always the reason? Answer, religion.

There is an old proverb, :The Devil makes work ofr idle hands", and it is a well established fact that idle rich folk have sometimes become involved in religious cults. Consider the following:-

- The Solar Temple - From 1994 to 1997, the Order of the Solar Temple's members began a series of mass suicides, which led to roughly 74 deaths. Farewell letters were left by members, stating that they believed their deaths would be an escape from the "hypocrisies and oppression of this world." Added to this they felt they were "moving on to Sirius." Records seized by the Quebec police showed that some members had personally donated over $1 million to the cult's leader, Joseph Di Mambro.

- In the 17th Century, most of the English aristocracy was a member of the devil-worshipping cult known as the "Hell fire CLub"

- Alex Jones' Expose on the Bohemian Grove

- The Skull and Crossbones SOciety holds quasi-religious ceremonies

So, is there evidence of religious symbolism in 9/11. The answer is definitely YES.

- The number 9 and 11 are important in masonic numerology. 9 is the number of evil and 11 the number of sacrifice, hence 9/11 means a sacrifice to evil literally. Furthermore, the Twin Towers were arguably the largest number 11 in the world and the Pentagon is exactly that.

- Tony Blair and his wife Cherie are well known as having been pagan cult worshippers at that time, and praying to Light in a cirle drawn on the floor.

- Peoples exciting "escape stories" could well have filled the newspapers and chat shows for years afterwards, yet so few escaped largely as a result of the actions of the security company headed up by George Bush's brother. After the first impact, distraught people found that the Security company had locked all the fire doors for the first time ever overnight and that many people survived only by smashing down the doors with fire extinguishers to get out. Furthermore, after the first impact on the North Tower, the security stopped people leaving the South Tower on the grounds that not to panic to the extent that people that had to leave ANY WAY, to attend business appointments elsewhere in the city were forced back upstairs like lambs to the slaughter.

- The date is absolutely remarkable too. Much of the architecture of Washington etc is overtly masonic and closely linked to Ancient Egypt. The Ancient Egyptians did not use our calendar, but used another, today known as the Ge'ez calendar. Only one country now uses this calendar and that is Ethiopia. Likewise only two religions use the Ge'ez calendar today and that is the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and the modern day worshippers of the gods of Ancient Egypt. IN very ancient times, the very first Egyptians had performed ritual human sacrifices and the biggest festival that they celebrated was the New Year. UNlike our calendars, the New Year starts at Sunrise, not midnight in the Ge'ez Calendar. SO according to the Ge'ez in 2001, when was the New Year? Well, according to the Ge'ez, it would have happened at 6.03AM in New York on 11th September, precisely the minute that... NORAD went into chaos, all the "drills" began, the hijackers set out and President Bush made a surprising sudden morning run, by himself for half an hour, taking his mobile phone with him. In short, "9/11" got underway EXACTLY at the precise moment of the New Year according to the Ge'ez.

Bush claimed that 9/11 was done by "Middle Eastern extremists". Technically true. It was done by Bush, Cheney and folk who have taken their belief in masonic ideas to such and extreme as to be sacrificing humans to pagan gods.

ANd what is the meaning of 9/11 if this is true? 9/11 was a beacon of darkness, ushering a new millenium of evil.

They already have money and power, homes, cars, jets, anything they could want...

So

I think religious beliefs, wether that means christianity I cannot say.