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posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 04:50 AM
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If there is one why would he punish all of the human race for the act of 1 person.
He is supposed to be all caring and forgiv people for there sins right?


In my understanding in the sin of one we were condamned, because so we can be justified in one aswell

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made† a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven




posted on Jan, 18 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by sirnex
reply to post by SugarCube
 


The post by sirnex deserves a response.



Cute story, but in no sense does it relate accurately to the historicity of Deity evolution amongst the human race. Concepts of Deity(ies) are an ever evolving social/cultural belief system and only in today's modern day and age with the advent of new knowledge and discoveries that can't be refuted against by these belief systems invented early on by primitive man trying to explain nature to himself and others, have we seen the concept of Deity change into a non-personal and non-caring higher power or force of the universe.


What is your point here? I merely indicated that religion is essentially of a political nature.


What you describe is an attempt to define an entity in which no evidence exists for by sensationalizing our place in the universe in which to (in hopes) strike a cord with the more gullible minded folk again in hopes that they will applaud you and lean more towards your own defined concepts of Deity.


Quite the opposite, I make it clear that our 'place' is in no way sensational and that in fact, we are no more important to the structure of the universe than a squashed fly on a windshield. The universe as an entity DOES exist, however, I do NOT imbue it with 'super-natural' powers or claim that it should be served in the form of a deity. Read the post properly before letting your ego spill out a response.

I mention a 'concept' of 'God' which simply pertains to the known workings of the universe.


Everything you say is of opinion only, with lack of evidence in which to base that opinion from, it simply isn't true. It's no more true than any other invented concept of a higher power. It's about as true as simply stating the universe was porn from the explosive diarrhea [sic] of a pink unicorn.


Everything I say IS opinion only. Of course it is. Do I really need evidence to indicate the wonder of the natural world, of the structure of the universe? The power of nature is hardly an invented concept. I do not ascribe super-natural powers, I simply state that we should consider the natural world with more respect. I see no pink unicorns in my statements an it is clear that I base my belief of the origin of the universe in scientific understanding. Can you supply any evidence for a super-natural omnipotent God as referenced by religion? Hmmm... that evidence would be debatable.
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While I can speculate and perhaps get people to believe such a blatant purposeful lie, no amount of Irritable Bowel Syndrome Pink Unicorn-ers there are in the world is going to make that invented belief system true.


I agree, but what 'invented belief system' are you talking about? Do you really believe that man is the acme of the evolution of the natural world such that all things are centric to our existence? Really? Is it honestly too difficult for you to accept that the natural world represents a power - a real physical power - way beyond the imagining and capability of man?

Do you believe that just because we have harnessed the power of the atom, we have the power of the Sun at our disposal? It is no 'invented' belief to recognise that we need some humility in the face of the evidence of the evolution of life on Earth.


Deity and religion go hand in hand. You don't get one without the other


You appear to be relating your own experience of 'God' and religion since many people would adhere to the concept of a 'higher power' but dismiss the notion of religion entirely, as do I. Your conclusion is false.


... and both are invented concepts of early man trying to make sense of the world around him.


Historically, 'God' (or the supernatural that was attributed to unknown natural forces) came first. Religion was developed later as part of the rationalisation of 'personal Gods' into a canonical form suitable for political exploitation as a function of society.


Whilst you may think you have obtained some "higher truth", fact is you've deluded yourself even further or are attempting to remain delusional for whatever reason. Perhaps your not comfortable with death or the natural affairs of life itself. Whatever your reason, no matter how cute your story, it's wrong.


Your classification of my assessment of the significance of the human race, indeed, all life on Earth, within the 'great scheme of things' as "cute" is odd to say the least. Although I can accept the annihilation of all living things on Earth I would hardly describe it as cute. To consider scientific evidence and the wonder of the natural world about us as 'delusional' is very strange.

Clearly, we both have an issue with our respective egos. As you correctly indicate, I promote my concept as 'opinion' and respect the right of anybody to promote a different opinion. I suppose that makes me 'deluded' to entertain the belief that other people may have valid but differing opinions.

You obviously believe that it is you that has tapped into a 'higher truth' since you assert that "I am wrong" and so demonstrate the belief that you know what is right. Do you? If so, take pride in being the first human being to actually know the true nature of God.


Now, can we please dispense with invented primitive superstitious beliefs and *try* to really make sense of our reality?


I am not sure how much further from primitive superstitions and beliefs you can get than the suggestion that I made. It should be clear that I suggested that science and the advance of knowledge of the physical world about us would provide a better basis for spiritual advance than the 'invented concepts' of man. Again, did you actually read the original post?

If you're going to attack other people's opinions rather than debate them, at least make an effort to understand those opinions first. A dogmatic response is of no use to anybody a precludes further constructive debate.

You write as a scientific neophyte who has yet to learn the hard way that exact science is never an exact science and that we will never know how much we don't know. Dispense with the kind of ego that precludes debate and then perhaps perhaps we will make sense of our reality.



[edit on 18-1-2010 by SugarCube]



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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I myself am not very religious. One thing that I always like to think about is one of your points. Would we have been here for 4 billion years if he created us in the first 6 days? (can't remember which day we were created) The answer is actually another question. What does God perceive as one day? Sorry if this has already been mentioned.



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 04:44 AM
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God is real

The powers that be know who he is.....

The Vatican knows who he is.....

Hollywood knows who he is ......


...... but they won't tell you ....

they are too busy dancing around the subject.....



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by gtasa234

If this passage is right should we of been here for the past 4b years.


No. There is no "physical" timeframe established. Everything was made within God's "timeframe" which is eternity...There is no way to establish "how long it took" because God was the only One to perceive it...and God exists outside of Time...because you have to...to be eternal and all....


If there is one why would he punish all of the human race for the act of 1 person.
He is supposed to be all caring and forgiv people for there sins right?


I like easy ones. It's not punishment. It's inheritance!!


If there was one why would we live in pretty much hell?


I'd like to answer your question, with questions of my own....Where would you rather live? What's stopping you?


Who created him? i know that gets asked alot but o well.


Rhetorical question. Who created you? Who created them? And them? And them? And them? And them^∞? Let me ask you this...what created gravitational attraction? Is gravity in eternal existence, so long as there is something to interact with?



If were all brothers and sisters woudn't we have alot more problems with our bodys because of the incest thing?


"...And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
And Cain knew his wife...".....yes, wife...yes, the land of Nod...aka not his relative...


I think religon was only created to scare people into what they think you should live by. Some i agree with but alot i don't.

Plz be nice and don't batter me with religon stuff i would just like my questions answersed.


I'm not your typical religious zealot. If we didn't question anything, we'd all be dead by now.

Blessings
A2D



posted on Jan, 19 2010 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by gtasa234

Another question. If he makes you worship him and if u don't you go to hell is that not a egomanic. It seems that everybody should believe what they want to and not depend on the church to makes the choice for you. I think chuch is nonsense if you want to worship god you should be able to do in your home it's the same thing.


He doesn't MAKE you worship Him. He WANTS you to, yes. Have you ever heard that song "I've been watchin you" by Rodney Atkins?


He said I've been watching you dad, ain't that cool
I'm your buckaroo, I wanna be like you
And eat all my food and grow as tall as you are
We got cowboy boots and camo pants
Yeah we're just alike, hey ain't we dad
I wanna do everything you do
So I've been watching you


Wouldn't you be proud to hear your son say this?
It doesn't make you an egomaniac does it?



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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i have no read the thread but im going to respond to you OP as it seems your questions are more about the Bible and i study it relentlessly


Originally posted by gtasa234
I do not think there is a god and i got some questions about him. Take it easy on me this is my first thread. Here are my questions.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.


"Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. "

now this is a more accurate translation..i hold to the belief there is a gap between genesis 1:1 and 1:2...i read a whole book just about the translation of the phrase "and the earth was without form and void"...in the original language this means literally an uninhabitable waste..some very prominent theologians believe the earth became uninhabitable due to the fall of satan and the other angels..the angels were clearly there before the creation of the earth

"Job 38:4-7 (King James Version)

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

it is perfectly reasonable to assume the planets,stars,etc. were all created before or way before humanity...the fall could have corrupted the earth and god remade it starting in gen 1:2 below



And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.



If this passage is right should we of been here for the past 4b years.


explained above


If there is one why would he punish all of the human race for the act of 1 person.
He is supposed to be all caring and forgiv people for there sins right?


i wondered this myself..along with why the death of jesus did anything for us at all..so what he died everyone dies why did that do anything special right?..

to understand this you have to learn about the kinsman redeemer..in the old law given by God, if a debt was not paid upon the death of the person in debt, a kinsman had to come along and pay the debt..this person was called the kinsman redeemer

"17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. "

so the punishment for sin is death as stated above..however being sinful, adam cannot pay the debt he owes as it must come from someone sinless..being righteous, yet also just, God cannot just forgive people willy nilly...we must redeem ourselves, and if we cant we need a kinsman redeemer to do so after we die...jesus was that kinsman redeemer...sin is carried in the seed of the man..this is why the virgin birth was necessary..this is why only by accepting that jesus paid our debt can we be cleansed of sin


If there was one why would we live in pretty much hell?


i'm assuming you mean earth is hellish..i would completely agree..the earth is broken..it was created perfect and we fell and therefore it has been ruined, its as simple as that...how can you blame God for us destroying the earth


Who created him? i know that gets asked alot but o well.


He wasn't created...beginning and end are times and are things that bind us not him..he is outside of time...think about it like this..we exist in 4 dimensions including space/time...we can make things in 2d or 3d...so God who is outside of our 4 dimensions and therefore outside of time can easily create our universe and do all the things he claims..


If were all brothers and sisters woudn't we have alot more problems with our bodys because of the incest thing?


first if you believe in evolution the first humanoids would have had to inbreed to keep our species going as well..just a thought...

annnyywayyyss...inbreeding is not a guarantee of birth defects it is just a higher risk...also the earth's conditions were much much better back then compared to now...also, the spirit of God used to be with man

"gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."


I think religon was only created to scare people into what they think you should live by. Some i agree with but alot i don't.


the bible was not intended to be a religion..unlike with islam,buddhism, etc, the bible consists of 66 books by 40 authors, many of whom never met...yes i will agree humanity has perverted its use, but that is not the true purpose

Plz be nice and don't batter me with religon stuff i would just like my questions answersed.

i have not attempted to batter you in any way i just wanted to inform you, i hope you read my post and do with the info what you will...good day



posted on Jan, 30 2010 @ 11:59 PM
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"Faith," is by definition belief without proof. Quoting scripture will get you nowhere. Scripture does not root itself in fact nor historical record.

Also- Why do people trust the Vatican/Catholic church? Endless counts of sexual abuse on children, not to mention their protocol of shielding the perpetrators from justice.
And has everyone forgotten that simple matter of collaborating with the NAZIS? Aiding them, helping war criminals evade justice. The current pope, Ratzinger, i believe his name is was a German soldier, a member of the HITLER YOUTH. He refused to even enter the Holocaust museum. The catholic church's track record shows an organization that needs to be strictly supervised and regulated, if not disbanded altogether.



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