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Originally posted by Gamma MO
Religion is not God. God is not religion.
Religion is simply man's feeble attempt to explain God.
I don't think of God as a being, but rather a force. It is everywhere and in everything. You have to find your own answers.
THE CLAIM THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST IS VERY NIEVE AND SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IT IS UTTERED.
Only a very inexperienced fool would make such a claim. No one can make this claim without full knowledge of the universe. Do you posses such knowledge? If so then you are God and you have gone insane because you argue that you do not exist. THE CLAIM THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST IS VERY NIEVE AND SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IT IS UTTERED.
If you dont believe in a god, how do you explain us and the universe?
And what of conciousness?
The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.
The bible also appears in the beginning to be a collection of reworked older mythologies. It's an interesting story, but certainly not the first time it's been told. Only the first time it's been told in that form.
People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.
I would disagree, if something needs a creator in order to exist, then logically God requires a creator himself (...)
As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:
"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."
There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.
I find it somewhat dishonest of you to quote them and equate this somehow with intelligent design.
The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them.
There is no indication that the forces holding everything together and making everything work were created or even had a beginning. Conjectures don't make truth's my dear Watson.
If no creative force was controlling this beginning, then its mere existence would simply be random; along with all the rules and guidelines that this existence must follow. For these guidelines to be set up so perfectly tuned is extremely improbable.
Gravity has also been perfectly tuned.
(...) There are other theories out there that make the same predictions, but gravity in the universe works differently than the Einstein model of gravity, coincidentally, thing's observed that don't seem to work under the Einstein model do work under these newer models(...)
Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.
Interesting claim considering it's essentially false. This shows a remarkably poor understanding of what atheism is and what it asserts. Atheism alone says nothing about what reality is, what the universe is, where life came from or how it arose. (...)
I've attempted to develop my own theories of a creative "quantum" species that gave rise to reality, no one was really interested though. Pity really, it was rather interesting I thought.
Originally posted by gtasa234
reply to post by antideceit
how are you 100% sure there is one? Did you talk to him or see him or what. I would like if you explained that plz.