Thats because god is a MITH...
There is No god.. very simple "only function"
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reply posted on 6-1-2010 @ 08:18 PM by psilo simon
reply to post by gtasa234
I believe what I wrote in my post up there.
If you dont believe in a god, how do you explain us and the universe?
And what of conciousness?
I believe what I wrote in my post up there.
If you dont believe in a god, how do you explain us and the universe?
And what of conciousness?
reply posted on 6-1-2010 @ 08:31 PM by randyvs
reply to post by 13579
Only a very inexperienced fool would make such a claim. No one can make this claim without full knowledge of the universe. Do you posses
such knowledge? If so then you are God and you have gone insane
because you argue that you do not exist.
THE CLAIM THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST IS VERY NIEVE AND SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IT IS UTTERED.
[edit on 6-1-2010 by randyvs]
There is No god.. very simple "only function"
Only a very inexperienced fool would make such a claim. No one can make this claim without full knowledge of the universe. Do you posses
such knowledge? If so then you are God and you have gone insane
because you argue that you do not exist.
THE CLAIM THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST IS VERY NIEVE AND SHOWS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING AT THE MOMENT IT IS UTTERED.
RANDYVIOUS
[edit on 6-1-2010 by randyvs]
reply posted on 6-1-2010 @ 08:34 PM by Monts
reply to post by gtasa234
The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.
People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.
The God from the bible is not really the God that is real, as almost any academic or scientist who believes in higher power will tell you.
As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:
"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."
There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.
The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them. I remember reading that if you would leave it up to chance to make these laws, the chance of them being made so perfectly is the equivalent of throwing a dart to the earth from the moon, and hitting a target the size of an atom. Anything less would cause chaos and no life.
Gravity has also been perfectly tuned. I also remember reading that gravity's valued set could be pictured as 1 channel on one of those old horizontal radio dials, as long as the entire universe itself. 1 centimeter in either direction would create a universe where life would be impossible.
Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.
The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.
People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.
The God from the bible is not really the God that is real, as almost any academic or scientist who believes in higher power will tell you.
As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:
"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."
There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.
The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them. I remember reading that if you would leave it up to chance to make these laws, the chance of them being made so perfectly is the equivalent of throwing a dart to the earth from the moon, and hitting a target the size of an atom. Anything less would cause chaos and no life.
Gravity has also been perfectly tuned. I also remember reading that gravity's valued set could be pictured as 1 channel on one of those old horizontal radio dials, as long as the entire universe itself. 1 centimeter in either direction would create a universe where life would be impossible.
Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.
reply posted on 6-1-2010 @ 08:45 PM by The Blind Eye
S&F
I have just the equation to solve the riddle.
God is a monkey. Man is a monkey. Therefore we are gods. Creating our own stories about who we are and why we are here to help us cope with the nonsensical absurdities of life.
[edit on 6-1-2010 by The Blind Eye]
I have just the equation to solve the riddle.
God is a monkey. Man is a monkey. Therefore we are gods. Creating our own stories about who we are and why we are here to help us cope with the nonsensical absurdities of life.
[edit on 6-1-2010 by The Blind Eye]
reply posted on 6-1-2010 @ 08:54 PM by vyrox
I see your points, and, to clarify, I was not too long ago an atheist. Whatever is said in my post is not to be taken as angry, judgmental,
dismissive, or any other similar thing.
If you look closely at that verse, it specifies that day was separated from night. This could, effectively, be a reference to the beginning of recordable time here on earth, aka. the formation of the earth around the sun OR the big bang, I'm not sure.
He gave Adam and eve, from what we know, the perfect life. All they had to do was: NOT EAT THAT FRUIT! and, guess what they did? If you look at collective consciousness, we deserve it... because we are them. And we make the same exact decision, with different details, every time we do anything that we define as "sin", aka steal, lie, cheat, etc. This life doesn't HAVE to be hell, look at ghandi. He was in a perfect state of existence, but still on earth. How do you think he perceived the world? Sure, it's a cr*psack, but it's OUR cr*psack to deal with and if we were more loving to one another and everything around us, would it really be so bad? It's only bad because of our corruption, so he(it... whatever) can't really be blamed for that.
If you would, please look at these videos
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
Think about the 10th dimension. It will never begin and will never end. It knows(contains) all. It is omnipotent, omniscient, and everything else. A good way to describe this is that shadow exists in perfect harmony with light: each is the shadow of the other. The beginning causes the end and the end causes the beginning. He(it/thing/whatever) created itself. Also take a look at quantum physics, through consciousness, things exist, including consciousness. It self-creates.
The genetics thing can be chalked up to either mere chance(infinity contains all, so we are just lucky enough to live in a close-to-perfect genetic instance) or if you look at the story of Cain and Abel, it notes that he was afraid that the MEN in THE CITIES would kill him. There were cities then- Adam And Eve were not the first of their kind.(neandrathals, anyone?) They could have easily interbred with them.
Catholicism is undoubtedly a hoax,(not to say anything bad about catholics, they tend to be good people) they don't even use their own book, the bible! When you look back, it's obvious that the King James Version it was created as a control tool for the mideval england, to keep the people from overthrowing him. But when you translate it from the source, it makes a much more loving, peaceful picture. Though it could have been all for control, I don't know. who does?
Just a reminder, I hope that you did not see any negativity twoards you or anybody in this, as it was not my intent. no human is perfect, and I am certainly not any kind of exception.
oh well, too bad, i suppose.
If you look closely at that verse, it specifies that day was separated from night. This could, effectively, be a reference to the beginning of recordable time here on earth, aka. the formation of the earth around the sun OR the big bang, I'm not sure.
He gave Adam and eve, from what we know, the perfect life. All they had to do was: NOT EAT THAT FRUIT! and, guess what they did? If you look at collective consciousness, we deserve it... because we are them. And we make the same exact decision, with different details, every time we do anything that we define as "sin", aka steal, lie, cheat, etc. This life doesn't HAVE to be hell, look at ghandi. He was in a perfect state of existence, but still on earth. How do you think he perceived the world? Sure, it's a cr*psack, but it's OUR cr*psack to deal with and if we were more loving to one another and everything around us, would it really be so bad? It's only bad because of our corruption, so he(it... whatever) can't really be blamed for that.
If you would, please look at these videos
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
Think about the 10th dimension. It will never begin and will never end. It knows(contains) all. It is omnipotent, omniscient, and everything else. A good way to describe this is that shadow exists in perfect harmony with light: each is the shadow of the other. The beginning causes the end and the end causes the beginning. He(it/thing/whatever) created itself. Also take a look at quantum physics, through consciousness, things exist, including consciousness. It self-creates.
The genetics thing can be chalked up to either mere chance(infinity contains all, so we are just lucky enough to live in a close-to-perfect genetic instance) or if you look at the story of Cain and Abel, it notes that he was afraid that the MEN in THE CITIES would kill him. There were cities then- Adam And Eve were not the first of their kind.(neandrathals, anyone?) They could have easily interbred with them.
Catholicism is undoubtedly a hoax,(not to say anything bad about catholics, they tend to be good people) they don't even use their own book, the bible! When you look back, it's obvious that the King James Version it was created as a control tool for the mideval england, to keep the people from overthrowing him. But when you translate it from the source, it makes a much more loving, peaceful picture. Though it could have been all for control, I don't know. who does?
Just a reminder, I hope that you did not see any negativity twoards you or anybody in this, as it was not my intent. no human is perfect, and I am certainly not any kind of exception.
oh well, too bad, i suppose.reply posted on 7-1-2010 @ 04:21 PM by gtasa234
reply to post by Gamma MO
I have my answers like i say i do not think there is one. The bible was written by man so alot of it is lies my thoughts. You can agree or disagree my post but i thought i get people going on this.
I have my answers like i say i do not think there is one. The bible was written by man so alot of it is lies my thoughts. You can agree or disagree my post but i thought i get people going on this.
reply posted on 7-1-2010 @ 06:14 PM by sirnex
reply to post by Monts
The bible also appears in the beginning to be a collection of reworked older mythologies. It's an interesting story, but certainly not the first time it's been told. Only the first time it's been told in that form.
I would disagree, if something needs a creator in order to exist, then logically God requires a creator himself. If God requires no creator, then logically there is no reason to assume that reality requires a creator. The most logical and simplest of the two is that reality has always existed as reality is not an intelligent complex entity.
The interesting thing is, as we've been learning more about reality and discovering new thing's that just can't be refuted, the biblical God has been getting pushed further and further into mythology. Now we're replacing the biblical God with a more vague version of God that can be interpreted on a more personal level.
I find it somewhat dishonest of you to quote them and equate this somehow with intelligent design. Spinozism has nothing to do with intelligent design nor does it imply intelligent design. I don't care much for people who purposefully are being dishonest, so I do hope this is not the case and your just ignorant. Mind you, ignorance is not a bad thing, it just means you don't know what your talking about.
There is no indication that the forces holding everything together and making everything work were created or even had a beginning. Conjectures don't make truth's my dear Watson.
Interesting you should say that. We honestly don't know what gravity is. We've been making guesses as to what gravity is and how it works and the current model uses gravity to explain gravity. We suppose we're correct because some predictions have been observed, but others have not. There are other theories out there that make the same predictions, but gravity in the universe works differently than the Einstein model of gravity, coincidentally, thing's observed that don't seem to work under the Einstein model do work under these newer models. Yet they too have their own flaws despite possibly showing a clearer understanding of what gravity might be. Unfortunately for you however, if these newer models are closer to a better understanding, it invalidates your above statement.
Interesting claim considering it's essentially false. This shows a remarkably poor understanding of what atheism is and what it asserts. Atheism alone says nothing about what reality is, what the universe is, where life came from or how it arose. The only valid point to be made about Atheism is that it asserts that there is no supernatural deity. Interestingly for us Atheists, supernatural means not physical/material. Does this automatically bar Atheists from having a concept of a creator/creative force? Absolutely not! If reality were indeed created and could be determined to have been created through proper scientific inquiry, then this means the creator or creative force is indeed natural, not supernatural. I've attempted to develop my own theories of a creative "quantum" species that gave rise to reality, no one was really interested though. Pity really, it was rather interesting I thought.
So, when we really think about it, we now know you haven't any idea what your talking about. It's OK though, not everyone is knowledgeable in everything. I don't know jack about cars despite the stereotypical belief that all males know everything about cars.
The bible was written thousands of years ago, before we had any knowledge about the way the universe really works.
The bible also appears in the beginning to be a collection of reworked older mythologies. It's an interesting story, but certainly not the first time it's been told. Only the first time it's been told in that form.
People were still asking the same questions we do today, such as "where did we come from" and "how did everything begin?". With such a limited scientific frame to work with, the only logical answers that could be conceived was that "God" or "The Gods" created everything.
I would disagree, if something needs a creator in order to exist, then logically God requires a creator himself. If God requires no creator, then logically there is no reason to assume that reality requires a creator. The most logical and simplest of the two is that reality has always existed as reality is not an intelligent complex entity.
The God from the bible is not really the God that is real, as almost any academic or scientist who believes in higher power will tell you.
The interesting thing is, as we've been learning more about reality and discovering new thing's that just can't be refuted, the biblical God has been getting pushed further and further into mythology. Now we're replacing the biblical God with a more vague version of God that can be interpreted on a more personal level.
As Einstein and Michio Kaku say:
"I don't really believe in the God of the bible and religions, but in the God of nature and harmony; the God you can see in the beauty that is the universe and everything in it."
There is a lot of suggestion towards intelligent design because of the way the universe works.
I find it somewhat dishonest of you to quote them and equate this somehow with intelligent design. Spinozism has nothing to do with intelligent design nor does it imply intelligent design. I don't care much for people who purposefully are being dishonest, so I do hope this is not the case and your just ignorant. Mind you, ignorance is not a bad thing, it just means you don't know what your talking about.
The laws of physics, to be created in such a perfect flawless way, in the "randomness" that we are supposed to live in, suggest that someone may have designed them. I remember reading that if you would leave it up to chance to make these laws, the chance of them being made so perfectly is the equivalent of throwing a dart to the earth from the moon, and hitting a target the size of an atom. Anything less would cause chaos and no life.
There is no indication that the forces holding everything together and making everything work were created or even had a beginning. Conjectures don't make truth's my dear Watson.
Gravity has also been perfectly tuned. I also remember reading that gravity's valued set could be pictured as 1 channel on one of those old horizontal radio dials, as long as the entire universe itself. 1 centimeter in either direction would create a universe where life would be impossible.
Interesting you should say that. We honestly don't know what gravity is. We've been making guesses as to what gravity is and how it works and the current model uses gravity to explain gravity. We suppose we're correct because some predictions have been observed, but others have not. There are other theories out there that make the same predictions, but gravity in the universe works differently than the Einstein model of gravity, coincidentally, thing's observed that don't seem to work under the Einstein model do work under these newer models. Yet they too have their own flaws despite possibly showing a clearer understanding of what gravity might be. Unfortunately for you however, if these newer models are closer to a better understanding, it invalidates your above statement.
Generally speaking, when you think about it, the universe, and us, according to atheists, should be impossible.
Interesting claim considering it's essentially false. This shows a remarkably poor understanding of what atheism is and what it asserts. Atheism alone says nothing about what reality is, what the universe is, where life came from or how it arose. The only valid point to be made about Atheism is that it asserts that there is no supernatural deity. Interestingly for us Atheists, supernatural means not physical/material. Does this automatically bar Atheists from having a concept of a creator/creative force? Absolutely not! If reality were indeed created and could be determined to have been created through proper scientific inquiry, then this means the creator or creative force is indeed natural, not supernatural. I've attempted to develop my own theories of a creative "quantum" species that gave rise to reality, no one was really interested though. Pity really, it was rather interesting I thought.
So, when we really think about it, we now know you haven't any idea what your talking about. It's OK though, not everyone is knowledgeable in everything. I don't know jack about cars despite the stereotypical belief that all males know everything about cars.
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