It sounds probably like a stupid and obvious question but still.....

Now there will be people who say....stop....magic doesn't excists, so it is an useless question. Next one. But let us assume that we all live according the Bible and accept the Bible as to be the truth. Why does God us not to touch it?

If God advice strongly against practising magic, I can assume that it is possible. Why should magic on forehand be something evil or will result in something that you will regret?

Wouldn't it be helpfull and easy if you could predict certain things that are important for you to know? Or wouldn't it be a good feeling if you could protect yourself with a spell? Or what about curing somebody with it? There are so many usefull things you could do with magic so why not use it?

Like many other, more tangible, tools you can do bad things with it, so why not use magic as a tool to do good things. Not only for yourself but for others too.
Even if it takes to worshiop something or somebody else to make it work? That shouldn't necessarily mean that you do not love God above all or do not consider Him the creator of all, now does it?

From Deutronomy:- Do not be tempted to worship or serve what you see in the sky - the sun, the moon, and the stars (4.19).

From Leviticus:- Do not go for advice to people who consult the spirits of the dead.(l9*31).

. . anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to God.”—Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

I belief that the world we live in is focussed on science and lost interest in other means to get things done....so to speak.

Is this on purpose? Has the Vatican while arranging the New Testament made sure that the knowledge of magic will not be persuit by the common man? And did the priest of the Old Testament do the same so that only a few would know the (other) powers of the universe?






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No, it's more something todo with that magic was a power given by satan, and only jesus and his apostles (and those crazy folks in the old testament) could perform miracles.

the same reason that I dont want anyone to have sex with any girl I've ever slept with. magick makes you god-like.

isnt there a quote in the biblr about "I am a jealous god"???

The old testament prohibits the use of magic and auguring techniques. However, learning about the arts is not prohibited, even from a known black magician. The prohibition lies in its practical application. The reason for this being so is that (according to the old testament) it (use of magic) indicated a lack of faith on the part of the practiotioner. These arts are considered impure, and there are many pure ways given by the old testament for achieving divine revelation end experience.

that depends what do you call "magic"?.. maybe in a sense, "magic" is just an alternative to science and religion. the more alternative "tools" there is for you to choose, the better. I think. alternative medicine, alternative science, alternative religion, can all of these be called magic? so maybe your "god" just doesn't want you to have alternatives (in a sense)...

and i was under the belif that magic involving the dead was called necromancy

which would make the followers of jesus necromancers and practisers of contradicting one´s belif

well I don't call you stupid for not believing magic, so it's not very nice to call me stupid for practising "magic". I just like to have all available tools I can get. modern astrologist use computers, Christian priests use magic rituals in their daily life. oh and have you read any quantum physics paper lately, or about string theory?.. so I don't know, you tell me

Originally posted by dashen
The old testament prohibits the use of magic and auguring techniques. However, learning about the arts is not prohibited, even from a known black magician. The prohibition lies in its practical application. The reason for this being so is that (according to the old testament) it (use of magic) indicated a lack of faith on the part of the practiotioner. These arts are considered impure, and there are many pure ways given by the old testament for achieving divine revelation end experience.

Magic is reserved for the clergy. God never said don't practice Magic people who wanted to monopolize magic for profit created this myth to cut down on competition.

If you look at religion from the point of view of an MLM company it's easier to understand dogma.

Jesus was a healer, the apostles were healers, and they used the tools of healers in that era. Crystals, gems, herbs, prayer, etc..

Who are the Magi ? I know, wise men. The word magic comes from Magi.

Look past the veil and you will see the truth. God has no ambassadors.

A ritual is a ritual.

The Eucharist is a magic ritual that is based on blood sacrifice and consumption of the offering.

Invocations are dangerous but "they" do it.

Nothing about religion or "god" is simple.

I may sound like a 'heretic" but that is just more dogma.

Cheers
Ziggy

The thing is, no one has magical powers, but there are forces in the universe that can be manipulated by using words, vibrated in a certain manner. People in the know call them the names of the Gods, but I think it is a lot more than that. For you Christians, in your Bible it says, "In the beginning there was the Word." Words are power, if the right words are spoken in the correct manner. This was taught to Earth women by the Neflim, who were ET beings, and then the women taught them to others, including men. There came a time when a coup was operated, and men took the power of magick from the women, and every other power they had, and took it unto themselves, and then went about burning and hanging wise women, thus wiping out the power of the Sacred Feminine, they thought. The women are rising up in power once again, and will, one day, put the Sacred Feminine back on her throne, where she belongs.

The reason magick is so difficult to learn and practice is simple; if it were easy, everyone would be performing spellcasting, and the world would be in chaos.

This should be in the Mysterious Subjects forum? Why is it here?

My view: I'm a skeptic when it comes to religion and most things that defy the laws of science.

Magic has been practiced in many religions at all times. People have used magic on people, bending them to their will; it is called manipulation, or social engineering.

Science is magic itself. With enough knowledge, one man can do a lot of things that could be called magic.
NOTE: Create fire!

I do not mess with Tarot cards, magic crap, psychics, seances, ouji boards or anything else of that nature.
I believe that stuff will open doors to things that are evil in nature. I am by no means religious either but just have always thought this.
Knock on wood I have never seen a ghost or had any weird thing happen to me since I was real little.