Originally posted by MrDesolate

Originally posted by ProWrestler_Joe
In the world, one can question government, leadership, and God, but dare not question Zionism.

Seriously? I don't think you have to do a whole lot of digging to find not only questioning, but some serious criticism. And some of that criticism will be from Israelis, and Jews in general.

Criticize almost anything, Christianity, atheism, Islam, conservatives, liberals, Australians, the Chicago Bears... there'll be pushback. So if your point is, it's not possible to question or criticize anything and have everyone agree, then yes I agree with that.

There are honest questions. There are questions with no intent to find an answer, but to push an agenda (push-polling, as it were). There's honest criticism meant to stimulate a discussion and seek the truth. And whenever and wherever a discussion occurs, there'll be someone on the other side of it.

So if you're looking to question or criticize anything, especially where there's a significant emotional attachment, then yes you'll get pushback. Anyone afraid of the pushback, I guess, shouldn't "dare" to question.

Michael Scheuer, 22-year veteran ex-CIA, Chief of the Bin Laden Issue Station 1996-1999:

Scheuer: "Why don't we talk about that? Because AIPAC and other influential American Jewish groups are extraordinarily involved in the funding of American political campaigns and have the ability to reach out and make sure that people lose their jobs, or are otherwise hurt, if they dare to criticize Israel."

Scheuer went on to claim that he lost a job with the Jamestown Foundation think tank for saying that then-presidential candidate Barack Obama was "doing what I call the Tel-Aviv Two Step". As a result, he claimed, "the donors to that foundation" ordered that he be terminated. He concluded the discussion of Jewish political influence by saying, "You know, you always talk about the Israel Lobby and its power, but to see it up close and personal aimed right at me was very educational. In fact, it was worth the experience of losing a job."

Honest criticism of Christianity, atheism, Islam, conservatives, liberals, Australians, or the Chicago Bears won't cost anyone a prestigious position. You underestimate the largest criminal syndicate in the history of mankind that is Zionism. To question it is punishable by demotion, termination of job, or death. You and I can criticize Zionism on a civil level at risk of being dubbed anti-semites, but as high-status, political figures we would risk demotion, termination of job, or death, and of that you can be certain. This is no small-time-crook criminal syndicate. What we're up against is a power so organized that an average person can simply not fathom. They are behind all disorder in the world as master orchestrators.

My point is simply that if Obama were to speak to the American public today and say, "My fellow Americans, I want to bring up a very important topic not often discussed, in fact, never discussed openly between government and the American people. And that is, foreign policy and Israel. We as a nation can no longer stand in support for Israel as it is counterproductive and hurting the United States as a nation." He would be dealt with.

No American president questions the destructive foreign policy of being in unconditional support for Israel. They are not allowed.

Political figures are very careful about this. Even honest politicans such as Ron Paul will bring up the destructive foreign policy being fully aware that our unconditional support for Israel is dangerous; however, he will never mention Israel because it would destroy his political career.

So as I said, in the world, you can question government, leadership, and God, but dare not question Zionism.

Make note that when I say Zionism, I don't mean the Jewish majority. Zionism consists of men of no religion. They care not for the Jews as if they did, they would not cloak themselves behind Judaism.

I believe that in time the ATS forum will be wholly aware of what Zionism is trying to achieve. But I'm afraid that when the time comes, one of two things may happen to ATS:

#1 It will be shut down for unfounded claims of anti-semitism.

or

#2 It will be dubbed and publicly considered a 'hate' site thus drastically minimizing traffic.




[edit on 13-1-2010 by ProWrestler_Joe]

Yes, definitely post it as a new thread in Breaking Alternative News. Most Americans are oblivious. Sneaky, definitely post it as a new thread.

Found 2 original Red Cross letters with number of deaths in each camps; not sure if it's covered here or not:

Sharrow and ProWrestler_Joe,

Thanks for the suggestion of posting the above article - but I believe I need a certain number of posts before I can start my own thread?

Assuming that I need more posts before I can start my own... either one of you are welcome to start a new thread with the above article/link!

SneakyB

I'm always amazed at the lengths Nazi apologists go to minimize the slaughter.

And make no mistake: the OP and those who support the contentions are not interested in historical research, they are interested in diminishing Nazi culpability: Nazi apologists to the core.

Yeah, sure Hitler was just trying to make the world a better place.

The research has been done, redone, and done over a few million times, and it all points to the same end: the Nazis killed many millions of people deliberately with malice aforethought.

Does the fact that they didn't just kill Jews make it better?

If they only killed 5,988,000, that makes it all right?

The Holocaust happened, it was real, men, women, children, and babies were consumed by it.

And you sick morons want to argue that it wasn't all that bad because some so-called "expert" says so? What makes him an expert? Anyone who claims the Nazis killed only 60,000 people in their death camps isn't an expert in my book, but a Nazi-loving buttwipe with an agenda, because for it to be 99% fewer, 60,000 is what you are left with.

Somewhere in this thread someone questioned where the deaths came from if there 15 million Jews in 1938 and 15 million in 1948.

Idiots who can't do simple math shouldn't be allowed on forums like these: Try looking into the birthrate, then multiplying the annual birthrate by ten years and you'll find the missing numbers.

Mods: threads like these are offensive when placed in the general forums. There should be a place for arguments like these next to the "Is the Earth really round? Expert says it's flat!" and""Daylight doesn't really exist" threads.

Disgusting, just really, really disgusting.

How many people on this thread have met people who were in the Nazi concentration camps?

I have.

I'd suggest that you look beyond the number, and consider that even if the numbers were smaller the disgusting thing that it was remains just as horrible.

And if you are a Nazi supporter - and I personally find them quite interesting - you should consider that all the wasted resources that that faction spent on this extermination cost them the war.

Originally posted by Aeons
I'd suggest that you look beyond the number, and consider that even if the numbers were smaller the disgusting thing that it was remains just as horrible.

I would find it hard to find anyone who would disagree with that. Smaller numbers, still pretty bad.

And if you are a Nazi supporter - and I personally find them quite interesting - you should consider that all the wasted resources that that faction spent on this extermination cost them the war.

I'm not a Nazi supporter but I find this statement specious.

The official account of the holocaust has got more holes in it than a string vest.

Anybody that believes everything the zionists claim is an idiot.

What does that tell you about the Jews that lap up the fairytale and spend their life blindly fighting everybody in it's defence.

Remember, the same zionists write Hollywood scripts and are masters in the art of deception.

Nobody is defending nazi's or saying Jews did not die at their hands, but that doesn't mean they can get away with genocide of Palestinians based on lies.