reply to post by Someone336
Fair enough. You are the only person to ask what my views are here.
My revolution is of the mind.
I feel that the USA has never properly upheld the Constitution.
I have read everything that came before it, how it was created, and the ramp up to ratification. As well as what has come after.
I feel the Founding Fathers had it right, but were not able to see it though.
I believe in as small as possible GOV, but I also have a background in Socioeconomic engineering. What is small to me is huge to others.
My focus is on averting disaster, and reconstruction of America.
Where I feel the issues get twisted is Fed vs State.
I feel the new Patriots don't fully understand that the Constitution was not intended to be an anchor, more of a foundational baseline with which to
I'll come back and add some quotes from the FFs on this.
Most important right now.
Avert economic disaster.
End the wars judiciously.
Return the vote to the people (Power owns it now)
Term limits, but not short. Economic development takes time.
Citizens should not pay any tax that Corporations, and other businesses can.
Taxes should be levied according to how much you earn, and how you come to earn it. By this I mean, businesses that actually make something should pay
less than businesses that earn from flow of assets.
Banks should be tightly regulated.
Foreign interests have no business in our elective process.
Health care costs have to be reigned in or else, nothing else will matter.
It's a radical approach that tries to keep things real.
I have seen proposed actions that would, without a doubt cause a global disaster.
It's easy to say "there is nothing in the Constitution about X" but there is.
The Constitution covers "anything" but you have to understand what "Living Document" means, which most completely ignore.
The SCOTUS - is perverted, not by nature but by collusion, Presidents conspired to load the deck, and roll back rulings their agenda did not like.
The perennial defense that it's a 1st amendment issue is just an excuse.
The real issue is the march to strip your rights to self determination from you.
The offer is presented as Liberty. Freedom to customize your State/City/Block according to some criterion derived from a majority. I'm all for
deciding things, one person one vote. As long as it's not a guise to segregate by ideology/race/national origin.
Because the Constitution was engineered to guide us in future times, and through any foreseen, and unforeseen circumstances, it's easy to vilify
anything done after ratification.
Scholars have to determine, and agree on what exactly triggers an amendment. It's also extremely important to have a mechanism that tracks how a
decision affects the whole.
I get it when people say this decision was xyz but what they don't understand is the Constitution was never intended to shackle it's keepers.
Any abrogation is not allowed, even if that abrogation is an attempt to remedy another. This is not a wish, it's spelled out by intent in the
Constitution. It's also discussed and understood by the Founding Fathers.
It's not a Cherry tree. You can't pick the fruits you like, you have to take the whole thing into consideration when you act.
We just went from a black market in representatives, to over the counter representative market. We also now say that foreign interests are ok in the
elective process. This is not what the FFs intended. Their entire issue was with foreign powers deciding what Americans do, or how they are
Corruption is rampant because we allow our representatives to lie in getting elected. I think this should be subject to slander, an libel laws,
possibly a higher crime if it involves our governance.
States rights? Sorry not splitting the Union into 50 feudal States. Such a thing would nullify the US as a Republic, and we would go to war against
The FFs specifically created a centralized Gov for a reason. Individual States are just that, individual. The Union is essential, GW felt it was, as
did most of them. What they did not want was Presidents like GWB.
Is the new admin perfect, not by a long shot, but it's a big improvement. Why? there is a centrist who cares, not a well..I'd rather not say.
I believe that everyone that can, should be involved in petitioning through all legal means. The people have the power to make change happen but to do
that they have to deal with facts, not talking points from any party.
I was part of the 60s movement, you could say I was a Hippie, but I did not believe in a total change in culture. I believed we were being abused, and
I did something about it.
We did not have the Internet, so we talked, we organized, we protested, and voted. We also did not wait for Nixon to respond. We fed each other, wore
cheap or self made clothes, and used everything we could that was discarded by others. Drug abuse hurt the cause, people were naive about the
We need common sense reform of everything, based on the greater good of the Nation, not any group. We are all American something some deny to this
day. Greater good of the Nation = Greater good of the people, the collective.
Some socialism is called for, it's been here all along. But the extreme ideologues sieze on the word, and fan the flames of the populace. This is not
good. The people are easy to sway long enough to get power, to use agaist them.
I started a thread called "When in US History is your ideal time? And Why?
So far people are posting but either not reading the OP, or skirting the issue for the most part.
I don't believe there has really been an ideal time in the history of the US. But you would think there was an utopia here somewhere in the past if
you listen to the rhetoric. I know I will be excoriated for saying this, but I believe the main problem is xenophobia.
We mistrust and fear those who are different. The racial make up of the US is changing. I embrace this, it's nature taking it's proper course.
Science shows us there are benefits in diversity of genetic pools. We will eventually be a world of mixed races. It's an expansion, and a
contraction. Races evolved and spread out, it's inevitable to maintain the blood lines as they were, during some subjectively chosen epoch without
genocide, and doing this is only delaying the inevitable.
We need education to survive, we need to make goods, and sell them. Not just to ourselves but to the rest of the world. The culture of greed, and the
global lack of cohesion made us dependent on too much from the exterior. We are moving toward a global balance, or destruction. It's up to us to grow
up and put away childish things.
I don't believe in a one world government, but the world has to get on the same page, or we all get hosed. Trade has to be reformed, outsourcing
I'll tell you, in a business, you have to deal with similar challenges. If you manage to keep you head, and make sound decisions, you succeed, if you
don't you fail.
We have many extreme ideologies that can't work. Others that would destroy us.
I'm a Sailor. One thing I know for sure, no matter what, you don't scuttle the boat to fix a leak, or break off the mast if you want to catch less
wind. You plug the leak, trim the sails, put out a sea anchor, and above all, don't flood the engine. In a storm "reason" is your friend.
I think we can meet each other and agree to meet everyone's needs without killing each other, or splitting into 50 factions, that each have 50
We need to unite as one people and demand remedy of all injustices, and crimes against the people, but we need a strong central government to finish
the course. So it's not easy, or simple but somehow we have to do it.
That's all my brain can muster going live, when I have a bunch of other things on my mind.
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