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Google blocks negative search recommendations on Islam

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posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Styki
Let me explain a little bit about how search engines work.

Search engines do not search the whole internet. In fact, if you use two search engines to search for the same word the results are likely to come up different. There are also several ways to change the search results by putting quotations around words or adding symbols like "+".

The company's who run these search engines can choose not to have a site come up as a result to searches. I believe Google had to censor a lot of information before being able to operating in China.

Also, company's pay to have their names come up higher on the lists of search results. For instance, if I was a bank I could pay to have my bank come up first on the list or results when somebody types in "bank" or "savings". I have been told that staying on the first page of results it's a good goal for a company.

So if this story is true Google could technically just not have any negative results when people type in the word Islam. There is nothing stating that they have to show you the whole internet; they can pick and choose as they wish.


Oh yeah, use this information to help your own research. If your looking for something it's good to try different search engines.

[edit on 5-1-2010 by Styki]


Though what you said is correct. The topic seems more on the capitulation aspect of placating. Much like how all the shows talking about the Mohammed Cartoons blurred out the pictures.

As if to say: It is not wrong for people to react with violence. It is wrong to discuss things that could offend.

This seems an intentional wipe of the recommendations for the later: To avoid any sense of offending said group.

I agree with Christopher Hitchens with his sentiment (paraphrased) that censorship for any reason, especially self-censorship for fear of offending instead of going after the people who react with violence; is intolerable.




posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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I'm confused:



Hits 7 and 8 are negative.

[edit on 5-1-2010 by loam]



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Ajax is a method of linking Java (Servlets and script) with XML for complicated and usually dynamic website coding (GMail is written with Ajax). Sounds like you are talking about Metatags.

Google doesn't technically allow pay placing, but they turn a blind eye to the various bot nets that run queries and hit links to lift ranks.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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Don't hit submit. Type in "Islam is" and let it set a few seconds. Google will then supply recommendations based on common search strings.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Again. Look at the TITLE of the thread. It says "search recommendations", not the actual search itself. It's the AUTO COMPLETE feature that's biased.

Isn't it sad the level of reading comprehension these days?



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:26 PM
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Ah. I did it that way, and you guys are right. Not autosuggestions for "Islam is" but multiple negative ones about Christianity appeared. Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Satanism get suggestions!

Maybe someone should see what Google has to say about that (even though it is highly doubtful they will comment)?



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0
Ajax is a method of linking Java (Servlets and script) with XML for complicated and usually dynamic website coding (GMail is written with Ajax). Sounds like you are talking about Metatags.


Dude, I know what ajax is, i've used it
what I am saying is that autocomplete is what YOU have entered
but in google's version what comes up in drop down is dynamic data from the server
but it doesn't require a refresh so that means it's ajax

metatags are COMPLETELY different and have no relation to anything i've said.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Ajax is a method of linking Java (Servlets and script) with XML for complicated and usually dynamic website coding (GMail is written with Ajax). Sounds like you are talking about Metatags.


Dude, I know what ajax is, i've used it
what I am saying is that autocomplete is what YOU have entered
but in google's version what comes up in drop down is dynamic data from the server
but it doesn't require a refresh so that means it's ajax

metatags are COMPLETELY different and have no relation to anything i've said.


Aha, my apologies, the context you dropped the term added with the literal phrasing made it sound like you were saying something other than retrieval from a DB of recommendations based on hit trends.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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no problemo


for those who think it's biased
it probably is

but try "muhammed is"

interesting thread nonetheless

for jokes put this

"black people"
one of the suggestions were black people stole my car
umm
actually "white people" has the same thing


but write "chinese people"
that one is pretty racist

"israel is" one of them is a terroist state

try many things



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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www.ynet.co.il...


Google service developed in Israel launched

Google Suggest, that completes search terms for users in real time and was developed by an Israeli team, launched in 151 local websites, 51 different languages, adapted to different countries' needs

Itai Smuskowitz Published: 04.02.09, 15:28 / Israel Culture

Google Israel boasted another success on Wednesday, after the international Google Suggest service, which was developed by the Israeli team, was launched in local versions.

The service works by completing words a user types in the search box and offers suggestions in real time.

The Israeli team that led the development of the product is headed by Miki Hershkovitz, and Dr. Yoelle Maarek, head of search in the Google Israel R&D Center in Haifa.

The service has been operating for some months now on the Google.com homepage, and as of Wednesday was made available in all local websites, with cultural and local factors taken into account.

For example, while the British and Australian websites both operate in English, a user will get different results when using the Suggest feature.

"In Australia, for example, if you start typing 'kan', you will get results that include the word 'kangaroo'," said product manager David Kadosh, "This is information that is usually not relevant to other places, so it will only appear in Australia."

The service was launched in over 150 local Google websites and in 51 languages, including Hebrew and Arabic.

Another advantage to the service is that it automatically corrects spelling mistakes, which Hershkovitz said could not only help children learn how to spell, but may also protect them from websites that may want to lure them by operating from sites that are likely to be misspelled by children.

The company also decided against including "inappropriate" content in the service, such as pornography, junk mail, or religiously offensive material in certain countries.

The Israeli team is in charge of the service in all countries in which Google operates. The original service was developed in 2004 for the Google Toolbar, and development was moved to Israel in the end of 2006.

Google Suggest has also been made available in youtube.com, and the team plans to install the service in all Google search boxes, including Google News Google Images and more.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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hmm...interesting.

I wonder if the program is trying to cater to my search history? Seems exactly the same though...weird.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
okay you are talking about autocomplete.. ok
I did not put "is"

I see what you mean now

I also put judaism and nothing bad came up
however hindusim had mostly good things but one "is fake"

Seems like it's not about islam as much as it is about christianity

in any case all organized religions suck!


I just put "Judaism is..." and got this:

-false
-not a religion
-not a race
-a CULT
-satanism

It's safe to say that Islam is getting special treatment here. I mean, I could understand google's concerns...but they should block garbage like that for ALL religons.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by mitman93
I just put "Judaism is..." and got this:

-false
-not a religion
-not a race
-a CULT
-satanism

It's safe to say that Islam is getting special treatment here. I mean, I could understand google's concerns...but they should block garbage like that for ALL religons.


I have to disagree. The ability to argue something so fundamental as "The meaning of life" or any subset should be allowed. This includes derogatory statements. This seems to be a true fundamental cornerstone right.

If you cannot question or argue about God and Religion, then you can't really argue anything.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

however try "muhammad is"



Well played!



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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Found some interesting things online about what is up with google suggest.

Patent on google suggest


Inventors: Kamvar, Sepandar D.; (Palo Alto, CA) ; Haveliwala, Taher H.; (Mountain View, CA) ; Jeh, Glen M.; (San Francisco, CA)
Correspondence Name and Address: MORGAN, LEWIS & BOCKIUS, LLP.
2 PALO ALTO SQUARE
3000 EL CAMINO REAL
PALO ALTO
CA
94306
US


Serial No.: 875143
Series Code: 10
Filed: June 22, 2004


en.wikipedia.org...

Sepandar David Kamvar, also known as Sep Kamvar, is a Persian American computer scientist, artist, and entrepreneur based in San Francisco, CA. He is a consulting assistant professor of computational and mathematical engineering at Stanford University


www.kamvar.org...
He now works for Google, he was responsible for building and leading the engineering efforts in personalization at Google, most notably Google Personalized Search and iGoogle.
And I wonder what this is "Organizing The World’s Push Content: The iGoogle EcosystemSep 26th, 2007" His link on the page to it is broken. So what is "The World’s Push Content".

Found a article on Organizing The World’s Push Content.
searchengineland.com...

And it does include editing the data.


A third means of organizing push content is editorially. YouTube’s decision to hand-select daily featured videos is a good example of effective editorial content. I see an opportunity for third parties to play an interesting and important role here. Third-party editorialized gadget and tab directories along the lines of LifeHacker’s Show Us Your iGoogle and Google Modules, play an important role in the ecosystem, as users often discover useful content through the staff selections of these third-party sites. This is an area that I’d like to see grow. Furthermore, we have started to see Search Engine Marketers see their job not only in terms of driving visits to their client’s web page, but also driving visits to their client’s gadgets by marketing gadgets to the appropriate communities with features like the Add-to-iGoogle button or with AdWords campaigns for their gadgets. This is another editorial format that I expect to see continue.


So the man to ask would be Sepandar David Kamvar his email address is sdkamvar@stanford.edu

[edit on 5-1-2010 by JBA2848]



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by lordtyp0

Originally posted by mitman93
I just put "Judaism is..." and got this:

-false
-not a religion
-not a race
-a CULT
-satanism

It's safe to say that Islam is getting special treatment here. I mean, I could understand google's concerns...but they should block garbage like that for ALL religions.


I have to disagree. The ability to argue something so fundamental as "The meaning of life" or any subset should be allowed. This includes derogatory statements. This seems to be a true fundamental cornerstone right.

If you cannot question or argue about God and Religion, then you can't really argue anything.


100% agreed
. Maybe there was a misunderstanding.

I believe that any form of information censoring from the public is wrong...ESPECIALLY on the internet. However, "search suggestions" are in no way stopping a person from accessing information. It's just a helpful tool intended to guide users on their searches.

As this tool relies on user input, Google (rightfully so) has stopped any vulgur/offensive words from appearing on the bar. Does this mean you will not be able to go to "AllreligionisBS.com"? Of course not...it simply means that "all religion is BS" will not appear on the suggestion bar.

My point is if Google is blocking certain Islam phrases from appearing on the suggestion box, why am I still seeing "all Jews must die" and "Christianity is bull#" filling up the screen?


If Google wishes to remove offensive and/or racist phrases from the suggestions, it should to it for ALL races/religions/nationalities.

Why should one religion get "special treatment"?

EDIT for spelling
[edit on 5-1-2010 by mitman93]

[edit on 5-1-2010 by mitman93]



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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I just made a test on Google.com

My first search. "Islam sucks" 55,100 results.

My second search "Christianity sucks" 24,200 results

That is my scientific evaluation.

Hope it helps.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 08:28 PM
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Screen shots of what it is talking about. Auto search suggestions that appear when you are typing in your search words. I had to edit out one for profanity:






posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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I'm curious to see how Google tries to explain away this event. They've done so in the past (kinda) with top searches when you type in phrases like "why is there" and "why can't". Well Google, we're waiting.

If you take out the "is", look at all the positive searches there are for Islam. Why is that? Or, type in Muslim. What do you get?


Originally posted by lordtyp0
Google will then supply recommendations based on common search strings.


So when I type in "Christianity is", I'm expected to believe that the most requested topic is "Christianity is bullsh*t"? Or 5th if you leave out the "is".

[edit on 8-1-2010 by saint4God]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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I agree that it's weird, and I agree that it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. But if you type "will" in after Islam, Christianity and Judaism you get a mix of positive and negative.

And if you just type the religion in you get mainly positive.

I'm sure in the other thread someone said apparently someone from Google said it was a bug?

Call me an idiot but maybe it is?

Leave it for a few days and if it's the same then there's something wrong.
If it gets fixed it could've just been a bug.




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