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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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Welcome to the forum, interesting case. Enrages me these beings are messing with our planet, our animals, and with us. God is too patient for his own good




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Wookiep
Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not

G'day Moonman1111

There were plenty of lasers around in '94.

I received my 1st laser product training back in the mid '80's.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not


Maybe in the US you had em easily available.

I can assure you that up to this day that everything concerning public health in Brazil (and most of the private sector too) sucks bad, and I mean BAD bad.

Everything you may consider "high tech" is pretty expensive around here , because of the massive taxes over those products that come from the outside.

Meaning the probability this was done by an average joe is almost zero.

If it was done by a human , he was most likely from outside Brazil , a very rich bastard too and he has been doing these in a few other places (taking into account the US case shown in this thread).
That would fit in the profile of a very bizarre and unique serial killer. Still from the degree of precision and other unexplainable things (the blood comes to mind) , one individual would hardly be able to do it meeting all the required criteria.

If it was done by an organization, hardly the brazilian government (the military can hardly pay the food and salaries of their own men...), I cannot see the motives they had.

People say "instill fear" against the ET, but this case happenned in one of the weakest military countries of the world ... is that really worth the effort? I understand trying to manipulate most of the people in the strongest country of the world, but Brazil? Not to mention it was considered some black ritual case , because they could not solve it. Even if it was an outside organization , it does not make much sense, really.
An outside organization might have been able to do it though, we do not know what kind of technology was around in the "underworld" at that time.

If it was done by ET, well, anything could have happenned. We know very little of their intentions, their technological capacity, their morals, their spiritual advancement level, their mental capabilities, how many factions are currently meddling with us, etc. What we know from abductees testimonies is that at least not all of them are friendly, and that is already a red flag right there.

Whoever assumes technological advancement equals to spiritual advancement is very naive. They do not go hand in hand.
That can be seen in our own history.
People think that races that unite and venture out of their planets are spiritually advanced ... well a race can unite that way.They could also unite in a very different way though, and that is through global dictatorship. Meaning technology up , spirituality down and an actual need to go outside their planets because they diminished their own resources to a point of no return.

If they are hostile, why are we still here? That is very simple, people are too accostumed to watching star trek and star wars and think that conquer comes only from wars and destruction. But really, those are the less efficient ways of going through that process, how much of resources would be wasted that way? You think the visitors would want to waste anything, when they can simply conquer everything through infiltration,deception and fake promises to world leaders? Influence is the answer. Not to say we do not know what are the influences they could simply have through telepathy and things of that caliber. Imagine sending a telepathic message to a religious leader, saying you are god?

Animals and humans are different because human beings have self-awareness. Beings from outside Earth that have this trait, should be able to recognize that aspect of ourselves, IF they are really spiritually advanced. What we do to our animals cannot be compared to what these beings do to us.I do not condone animal cruelty either, yet these beings allowed that man to have a very cruel and agonizing death...

I also do not believe that any ET around here is positive at all, not if they are influencing human affairs in any way, because that is not ethical contact anymore, it is an intervention and those are always carrried out in self-interest. Not to say there aren't positive aliens in this vast universe, but those meddling with us are likely either "neutral" or "negative".

Aliens could have done it? Sure. Human organizations? Those too.
Higher probability in my opinion? Assuming that at least one of the hundreds of abductess is telling the truth, aliens, VERY negative ones


*Sorry about the bad spelling :x



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Roufas.

Your point regarding the cost of the equipment in SA is a good one, thereby "weakening" that aspect of my argument.

I'll still go with my human + equipment explanation, as per my original post.

But as with any explanation for this murder, there are still difficulties with it, cost & location being front & foremost.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:37 AM
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You think aliens are messing with our planet? You think aliens are the cruellest creatures in the universe?

I think that you are wrong on both counts. All the miseries of this planet are caused by humans.

If aliens were going to take over, they would have done it a million years ago.

I say, bite the bullet, mankind is the enemy - of itself, the planet, and all life here. And would probably shoot an alien on first sight even while he had his hands up.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by mckyle

Originally posted by Moonman1111

I'm sorry, but the testimony from various abductees, and x-rays only proves that it is not the actions of man. Yes 'experiments' as you put it are being done on mankind by these worthless entities.


Can you point to some case studies regarding X-ray evidence?

I know of some cases which pertain to show x-rays of foreign objects inside humans, but they are hardly convincing.


G'day mckyle...

I agree with the point you raise regarding the radiographic evidence.

It is extremely poor & not peer reviewed.

Anyway....who needs to look to "aliens" to produce bizzare radiographic evidence when humans will do this:



Cheers mate
Maybe...maybe not.....well definitely not in this case!



Edits to adjust picture size

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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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i feel sorry for the guy.

...it's odd, though... all aliens really like men.

women are more empathetic, understanding, and are on average 40% smarter than men (don't worry, men are 60% stronger than women.)

so why do aliens love researching mostly men?

maybe it's because society still disregards a woman's words over a man's.

maybe...?



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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Sorry if this was mentioned already, but it's very late and I read 7 pages of this thread, and never saw this info.

I stumbled upon those horrible pictures of the human mutilation victim a few years ago and did a little research into it. This is NOT the only human mutilation on record. There was also one that took place in 1956 at the White Sands Proving Grounds in New Mexico...


There are some incidents that have occurred over the years, which strongly point to the fact that the mutilations are not confined, to animals. The first case which came to the public notice involved an American Air Force Sergeant called Jonathan Louette who was serving at the White Sands Proving Ground in New Mexico, a vast remote base where the latest US technology is tested. There are many stories linking White Sands to alien contact and captured alien craft.

The Sergeant and a senior officer were detailed to travel several miles down the missile range in a military vehicle to find and recover any debris from spent missiles. At one point they left their vehicle to scout the desert. They separated in order to cover a wider area of the sand dunes more quickly. Suddenly the officer heard screams in the area of the dunes where the sergeant was searching. He ran towards the noise thinking that a rattlesnake had bitten the sergeant and as he reached the top of the dune, he saw a disc shaped craft hovering low above the ground. A long tentacle coming from the underside of the craft was wrapped around the sergeant. It dragged the screaming man into the craft and then shot away at great speed.

The officer returned to base in a state of shock. When he reported what had happened he was not believed and was arrested for murder. An immediate search of the area failed to find any sign of the sergeant. Three days later Sergeant Louette's mutilated body was found twenty miles down the range. The mutilations were clinical and precise and involved the removal of the genitals, the rectum and the eyes. Typically there was no blood on the body, but the cardiovascular organs had not collapsed. The officer was released without charge. Although the story was leaked out by people involved in the incident, the military refused to confirm or deny that such an incident had taken place.


Full text at www.crowdedskies.com...

So if this second account is to be believed, then the OP is correct in his assertion that this in an alien phenomena. It also shows that this is not isolated to Brazil.

I just thought since the discussion turned toward "alien or human" murder, this information may help open some people's minds.

FYI, I just Googled "human mutilations white sands" to find this. There are more web sites with this information.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:49 AM
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G'day Moonman1111

There were plenty of lasers around in '94.

I received my 1st laser product training back in the mid '80's.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



G'day maybe...maybe not, Btw I'm not moonman1111, my name here on ATS is WookieP nice to meet you.
Ok, so lasers have been around since the 80's (prolly much sooner), I know that too lol I've been around since the 70's! My question, is the technology you refer to in reference to the OP... was this something that you truly feel would contribute to the consequenses of said victim in 1994? Could it be something that would be *probable*, given your 1998 manufactured medical laser machine, or would it actually be quite *unreasonable* to think most people would have this (cost-effective) technology at said time?





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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by learningtofly
reply to post by Moonman1111
 


You think aliens are messing with our planet? You think aliens are the cruellest creatures in the universe?

I think that you are wrong on both counts. All the miseries of this planet are caused by humans.

If aliens were going to take over, they would have done it a million years ago.

I say, bite the bullet, mankind is the enemy - of itself, the planet, and all life here. And would probably shoot an alien on first sight even while he had his hands up.


Even the most wicked and confused humans are nothing to the most 'best behaved' alien/demon. And who says aliens haven't taken over and aren't possessing world leaders etc etc? And then again they can only have so much influence as God will never be defeated nor will his will. And mankind is not the enemy, only a Satanist would believe that. But I will say there are a lot of stupid blind people out there following the wrong path and commiting evil on other humans. And I know I would shoot an alien, and it wouldn't be a damn sin either.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:25 AM
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This is hectic no doubt... does make one wonder ...



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:35 AM
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For those of you that are saying there is no proof that 'aliens' did this, you are correct there is no proof. But...What there is proof of is the fact that these meticulous,precise cuts and boring were carried out quicker than any surgeon alive can do with technology that we do not posess.

Therefore, there is overwhelming proof that suggests whoever did this posessed some kind of 'hidden' technology that still to this day does not exist. (If I remember correctly the way they could tell that it was done swiftly was because of the scarring marks around the skin tissue.)

Therefore there are 2 possiblilities that exist:

1. The work was carried out by a HU-man being that for some reason still to this day does not want to share his/her tech

2. It was carried out by ET

After a small amount of research in to ABDUCTIONS and listening to ABDUCTEES you will find a common theme when it comes to ET experimenting on them, and that is they 'ET' have technology that far superseeds ours -

We HU-mans are not the be all and end all of this universe and that is for sure. But theres alot of people out there (and on this site) that think so


Peace



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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This really is frightning on this atrocity.

rpae and abductions and now its murder.

As an abductee I beleive some never return.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 03:25 AM
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I am far from a satanist.

I am a follower of Jesus.

But I still think that mankind has wrecked this planet.

And I still think that there may be alien life forms out there who are kind.

And maybe some are not so kind.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 03:32 AM
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Well you have my attention. Please tell me your thoughts on whether or not God created these aliens?

Does God love his creation?

Do the aliens treat you harshly all the time or is there a modicum of love there?

-m0r



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 03:54 AM
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You'll find that mainly it will be the religious right, that spreads scare and hate stories about ET's.

They claim ET's are evil demons (yeah, i know) sent from hell!

Basically, they are just jealous that their god may have created other races elsewhere and humans are not solely 'the apple of daddy's eye'.

So really, these right wing religious extremists ARE the demons they claim ET's to be, if you think about it.

Lucifer was a member of the angelic race, created by god.

The angels rebelled when god created humans and gave them a soul.

The angels were no longer the exclusive 'the apple of daddy's eye', and were jealous of mankind, so resolved to war and bring hell to humans.

Exactly the same thing, these 'kind religious folks' are doing regarding ET's..so there are direct parallels with the 'fallen angels' and these anti 'other lifeforms' people. Not that they would admit it. The guilty seldom admit their failings, especially from a pulpit.

Personally, i think the whole religious affair is based on 'Chinese whispers' of a long gone Earth civilisation and erroneous story telling and fantasy, with the occasional UFO sighting event, mixed in for added 'magic' and a touch of mystery.

But each to their own..



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 04:05 AM
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G'day dazbog

Here is my simple explanation regarding how surgical lasers work (with apologies to any laser physicists in the building!):

The laser "superheats" the fluid in the cell & it vapourises & expands extremely quickly....quickly enough for the cell to disappear in a tiny "explosion".

I don't quite understand the term "bisectional wall damage" in the context of the laser because the laser does not work by applying pressure to the cell / cell wall.

I just spoke with one of my laser clinical specialists who also wasn't quite sure how to answer the question.

Tomorrow, I will speak with one of the laser technical specialists & see if I can give you a better answer.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by AthenaCD
This really is frightning on this atrocity.

rpae and abductions and now its murder.

As an abductee I beleive some never return.



No doubt you would never return with your AV!

No offence but?



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 04:36 AM
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G'day WookieP

I believe it would have possible to cause the injuries (as bizzarre as they are!) with relatively cheap second hand medical equipment including a laser, other cutting instruments, suction equipment, endoscopic equipment, etc...

Some of this stuff is just about thrown away for nothing once it's a little out of date.

My reading of the autopsy confirms my opinion.

But hey.......it's one of the weirdest things I've seen.

If you want another weird one, have a look at the guy with hundreds of nails in his head that I posted above. That was done by a cult.




Armap's English translation of the autopsy

www.abovetopsecret.com...

At October 03 of one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, in this city of Sao Paulo, in order to attend the request of doctor Osvaldo S. Profeta, Police Chief., the infra-signed ones, forensic doctors from the Forensic Institute proceeded to the examination of body of crime in UNKNOWN.

to respond to the following queries:

First - Was there death?
Second - What the cause?
Third - What was the nature of the agent, instrument or way that produced it?
Fourth – Was it produced through poison, fire, explosive, asphyxia or torture, or by other insidious or cruel way? (Specified answer).

When the examination was carried out, they passed the following report:

QUALIFICATION: UNKNOWN, XXXXXXXX, male, white, gathered on the street Caboclo Dengoso, seventeen, Recanto do Sul, Sao Paulo, other data ignored.

HISTORICAL: Finding of the corpse. Body removed from the site above. CLOTHES: naked.

REALITY OF DEATH: Shown by the signs: no reflexes and absence of vital signs (breathing and heartbeat).

DESCRIPTION: Cadaver of adult, male, white, good musculoskeletal constitution, symmetrical head, oval face, oblique forehead, straight hair, dark brown, baldness bi-frontal-parietal-occipital, iris damaged, and preserved natural teeth, apparent age of forty to fifty years. Normal and medium biotype.

EXTERNAL EXAMINATION: We observed: 1) Removal with cut in bevel of external ear with signs of emptying in soft parts; 2) Partial removal of left external ear and with signs of vital reaction; 3) Right and left enucleation of eyeballs and with signs of blood in the orbital cavities; 4) Removal of large flap of skin on right hemiface, superior portion and in the region of the left hemiface, right side, inferior mandibular portion; 5) Multiple incised superficial and infinite injuries produced by cutting instrument in the whole physical frontal surface, (face, thorax, abdomen, superior right and left member, inferior right and left member); 6) Muscular mass of superior right member - uninsertion of the articulation and moved to the third proximal of the right arm and also shown up in left forearm; 7) Muscles of the right and left pectoralis major route of its insertion in the subcutaneous and released; 8) In right and left axillary region presents circular solution of continuity, with a diameter of four centimetres, with uniform margins and reaction of vital signs and emptying of soft tissue; 9) Enucleation of umbilical and origin of the circular hole of about three centimetres and depressed abdomen; 10) Elongated elliptical incision with a diameter of three and a half centimetres in left inguinal fold; 11) Removal of scrotal bag; 12) Wide, oval incision near the perineum and indicative of the making of female genital or attempted removal of penis; 13) Right and left thigh musculature displaced from the proximal third with groping. Only the Emores (????); 14) Removal of anal orifice with spacious incision, elongated shape, oval and diameter of about fifteen by eight centimetres; 15) Perforating injury of two centimetres in diameter, located in the interdigital space of second and third toes of both feet (right and left); 16) We observed emptying of right and left orbital regions, oral cavity, pharynx, oropharynx, cervical region, axillary right and left region, abdomen, lower pelvis, inguinal right and left region.

INTERNAL EXAMINATION: By bimastoid-vertical incision and folding of the scalp and opening of the cavity according to technique of Griessinger, we observe: 17) Integral cranial hubcap; 18) Cerebral edema. By sub-incision mantle-pubic and after removal of sternal plastron-condro, we observe: 19) Rupture of trachea with removal of soft tissue and solfago????, vases muscles; 20) Removal of intercostal muscle at the level of the second, third, fourth, fifth left intercostal spaces; 21) In the abdominal cavity and pelvic region absence of organs with removal of all abdominal innards showing up pullout of the organs and with vital reaction; 22) In the exploration of the superior right and left member and inferior right and left member, we observe: right and left incision of the muscles of the right and left arms and thighs, with posterior pullout of tissue; 23) Thoracic viscera with usual topographic location.

DISCUSSION AND CONCLUSION: We examined the adult body, white, whose cause-mortis was due to acute bleeding in multiple trauma. There are also component of cause-mortis by vagal stimulation. This injury victim presents characteristics of vital reaction, meaning that there is a torture component. It is suggestive of the modus-operandi incisions in the soft and natural orifices by aspiration. Such a framework should be behavioural expressions of insane or another option: macabre ritual. In terms of right forearm, third distal there was rope that was immobilizing the segment.

ANSWER TO THE QUERIES: first: yes; second: polytrauma and vagal inhibition; third: mechanical agent; and to the fourth: yes, as for the way employed. There being no further business, this report concludes.



Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by learningtofly
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I am far from a satanist.

I am a follower of Jesus.

But I still think that mankind has wrecked this planet.

And I still think that there may be alien life forms out there who are kind.

And maybe some are not so kind.


Yeah, as a whole we are fawk ups, but that is due to the lack of God in everybody. Some wicked men turn around when they see the light, others are swayed from the light into the darkness. Aint no good until God returns.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 05:27 AM
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ok.. well.. I've come to the conclusion that there's another universe/world which paraelles ours with the only difference they are of way higher intelligence.

Ours world is basically conmprised of 2 agendas (maybe more);

those on Earth, who will kill anything, including their own kind and the entire earth to get what they 'need' or think they need or just so greedy they plow under those who get in their way and think nothing of wiping out their own kind/race/ethicity/lifeform just to 'be on top'. (low intelligence IMO)

and the other is the exact oppisite of that. (high intelligence IMO)

I'm hoping with the higher intellengence, quite litterly saying, not like the CIA, NSA, FBI intelligence which are angencies of the government which collect data and make decisions based on what they find, pure intelligence which stems from their own mind: Abert Enistien for an example.

However, even with the higher intelligence, I've heard a ATS member explain that with higher intelligence it would be much like we are to animals; we don't really reguard animals to have much intelligence if at all and animals are used to support the higher intelligence.

So if these are actually aliens/lifeforms that are abducting humans, they could be observing them as we do animals.

....and there's no evidence that this is of alien origin, but it is evidence of a very high tech device not know to us at the present.

Now, that being said...I just watched a short documentry off of an paranormal show from Comcast called 'Proof Positive'(?) not sure if that was the actually name of the show, but it was about a couple in AZ(?) that have a cattle ranch and were tagging calves and had tagged one and continue walking around to see if they could find more that needed tagging when their dog started barking in the direction of the calf they just got done tagging not 30 mins before and notice a couple of cows turn in the same direction as the dog was..

They ran over in the direction where the animals were pointed and noticed the calf they just tagged laying on the ground; they ran over to it and it was dead with 3 inch holes in it's body where organs would have been including retum, upper stomach, face. The skin around it's mouth had been surgerically removed without any blood or burn marks to it's bone tissue..

this was all done to the calf within 30 mins.. and in fairly close presence of the couple since they were on foot the entire time..



Being raised on a farm, I know I would have been infuriated since there goes $$$$ down the drain!!!



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