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posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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I have a few questions in regards to this case, but first: I sincerely hope the persons(if there are in fact others, as some have alluded) who were subject to this treatment, though speculated to being alive at the time of this dissection, felt absolutely NOTHING painful at all.

But back to my original line of questioning.... Has there been a itemized list as to what exactly was removed from the victims body?

And if so, looking at it(the list) irregardless to the possible identity of the conductor of this dissection, has any motive been thought of that could explain the purpose of such a dissection to be performed on a living specimen(no disrespect to the victims)?

What did the conductor of this dissection need to learn from a living species that warrented such action?

(Scientists do experiments, so ill call what was responsible just that, but loosly)

What are they(the "scientist", for lack of a better word) studying, in reference to human biology, if that can be applied here?

I'm guessing(really) from looking at the statements in the link moonman posted, about where the cores were taken, that the "scientists" possibly were interested in:
- human kinetics(removing muscle from arms/leg, as shown in 1 photo)

- in removal in the rectal tract and other organs in the abdomen, could it be said there was interest in waste removal/ digestion.

- with removal of the eye...an interest in human optics.

-the tongue, jawbone, lips and so forth are all tied into something of interest for the "scientists", which is why they were taken in the first place, but I don't know at the moment. From cows/ this human victim and others as some, once again have alluded to this not being the first human case.

In reference to disposal or lack thereof, of the victims, I can only guess(once again) that the responsible party clearly had no concerns for discreetly disposing the bodies after it had taken what it was really interested in.

Questioning the experimenters of cows/this human and the other speculated human victims found, on disposal is similar to questioning a criminal with a gun, in a gunless society as to why the criminal carries one....he cares not for laws....just as the experimenter cares not for discreetness, our established methods for, sorry to say, waste removal, or laws governing abduction/ malice murder/ experimentation.

Those were my questions/ opinions above. Discuss, debate, flame or debunk.




posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Common Good
If it was Aliens...Why would they leave the body for us to find?


Hmm...advanced race who obviously have the capacity for galatic travel and show a precision for live dissection...the question is why would they even care to hide their activities? What, exactly, can we do against them? Surely they are studying us and have discovered that our countries have, long ago, through clever propaganda, equated the belief in UFO's to that of a child's fancy. Even with proof you won't believe. Why? Because you are conditioned to see UFO's in a cartoonish medium, equating them to fantasy and a child's imagination.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by WormwoodHour
There is no proof at all it was an abduction by an alien, not even the usual blurry video or shocked witness report. The article just says it might have been one based on the accuracy of the mutilations.


Amen to another logical thinker.

Seems that whatever some people can't explain, or have no answer for, they decide it was aliens.

But then it suits them to say at times the military has technology 40 years ahead of what is available to civilians...so why not in the case of mutilations?



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 03:15 AM
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Many different alien species visit the earth each year.A great number of them do take samples of plants,and life forms including humans sometimes.Some of these aliens can be very nasty like the story we have here.Don;t think for a minute that the grays or reptillians know or detect all the intelligent life forms that visit our world each year.Yes some are allowed thought to do what ever they want to humans and cows.Many people dissapear because they have been abducted by aliens never to return.So what happens to these people.Many are used as food for the aliens.Some are kept alive in spaced out alien zoos.Some people are kept as pets or experimented on.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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I hope i don't insult anyone with this reply if i do i'm really sorry and apologise ahead of time.

I would be the least sceptical person regarding matters like these as i have experienced traumatic events, ie there is evidence that i've been examined by unknown entities throughout my life i'm now 50 years old and still suffer from my experiences.

I read the article and looked at the photos (which were horrific to say the least) and noticed that in the photos the poor soul in question had rope around one of his arms and it also looked like there was rope around his legs, contrary to what was stated and that was that there was no evidence that he'd struggled or been bound.

I'm not saying that he wasn't a victim of some horrific experimentation by out side forces, god forbid i should ever think that knowing what i know, but is there a reason that you know of that the rope was there. But you are all right no "human" would do this to another, whoever or whatever did this, is certainly not a human being in the true sense. Thanks for bringing this article to our notice and keep up the good work. thanks



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 09:14 AM
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Ava*tarGate
by Robert David

I see conspiracy theories everywhere:9/11 was an Inside Job and Pearl Harbor Was a LIHOP, A UFO Was Recovered at Roswell and the Apollo Moon Landing was a Hoax and of course the assassinations of famous people known by their three initials.Therefore, when Fox released Avatar, a mega budget film, with $500 million of other people’s money (“outside investors”), I get suspicious.

Read the rest at Dprogram.net
dprogram.net...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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I know this is sick but I think a human could do this too another human easily if they had the had the right tools.

Most people feel compassion and empathy but not all people are ruled by emotion. People have done terrible things to other people throughout history and are still doing it today. So I wouldn't be surprised if a human did it.

For the ET aspect, yes if an Alien did come here they would want certain resources from out planet.Maybe even body parts. We would do the same if we had a massive tech advantage over a neighbouring civilization.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Considering our sun is a second generation star and there are parts of the universe billions of years older, it's reasonable to assume there are more advanced forms of life out there. Furthermore, if you accept one form of extraterrestrial life exists then you have to accept the possibility that more than one does too. So don't be an extraterrestrial racist.


I find it interesting that evil aliens are always portrayed as being human-like (long-nosed grays). I wonder why? You'd think evolution in a distant part of the universe would take a radically different path than it did here on earth.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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As a guess: This was a Intelligence disinformation operation.

The counter Intelligence operatives working for our central bankers want to put the notion that the ET did this mutilation of a human.

It seems that the ET only mutilate simpler life forms (Cows, etc), and use the carcasses to drop near nuclear weapons, underground shelters and other entrances to the places where our banksetrs plan to hide while they launch nuclear weapons on us.

The central bankers plan to use the tens of thousands of nuclear weapons that they have built, to wipe us out and are doing everything to hide the presence of the high level powers from us.

Likely that ET did not mutilate any humans. Chalk that one up to the central bankers and their disinformation schemes.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Hi all, Im sure a few years ago in a book by Timothy Good which i got for a present, documented on this case and its one of them you never forget.
I was into the whole ufo subject but when i read about this and witnessed these pics, my whole perception changed on the subject.......
Very interesting and disturbing.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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Hmmm I sort of find it interesting that some member's the same one who tell us day after day there are no ufo's or aliens! Are now here telling us the "EVIL ALIENS" are now preforming satanic mutilation, But luckily for us only in Brazil..

Nah this thread has my BullSh!t O Meter needle buried in the red!!!



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by dragonridr


It was done by a fish they enter through a circular hole and they eat the internal organs. This is Sao Paolo you know the start of the Amazon river. There called Candiru Theres 6 known species of this catfish (think about that next time you decide you want catfish) and have been known to inhabit corpses pulled from the water. They will eat a corpse from the inside out often leaving the skin intact.


Sao Paulo is in the SOutheast of Brazil , and the Amazon is in the far northwest.

They are VERY far from each other



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
G'day dazbog

Here is my simple explanation regarding how surgical lasers work (with apologies to any laser physicists in the building!):

The laser "superheats" the fluid in the cell & it vapourises & expands extremely quickly....quickly enough for the cell to disappear in a tiny "explosion".

I don't quite understand the term "bisectional wall damage" in the context of the laser because the laser does not work by applying pressure to the cell / cell wall.

I just spoke with one of my laser clinical specialists who also wasn't quite sure how to answer the question.

Tomorrow, I will speak with one of the laser technical specialists & see if I can give you a better answer.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not




Thank you for taking the time to explain. The sample I referenced was submitted in the late 80s. I have the results somewhere. They were utilized in a book published by Linda Moulton Howe. I believe the title was "Alien Harvest" or "An Alien Harvest."
If anyone has a copy perhaps they could post the sample photos an descriptions. The best way I can explain. Fill a bathtub with ping pong balls. Pass your hand through the water, in a zigzag motion. The balls will not be damaged and no balls /cells will be vaporized by the heat. I believe this is the reason Dr. stated high heat was applied but did not speculate on the method. A laser would of behaved as you suggested. The incision was also not in a straight line but resembled something like this
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Very odd. It was stated that unlike a normal laser incision, this method allowed the cells to be pushed aside,quite unlike the state of medical lasers from the mid to late 1980s. This led many to ponder the origin of this
type of technology.
I , like many have read the autopsy report. Quite a disappointment. Had it been a legitimate alleged Alien mutilation the exposed jawbone would of been absolutely dry.
Somewhat similar to the condition one would fine on a bone that had been sun dried.
I had occasion to call Linda while in the process of writing her book. She said she was aware of three human mutilations that fit the MO and this was in the 80s.
Although this poor fellow met a horrible fate it is almost impossible to determine with any certainty what may have transpired. The medical examiners report just didn't address the specific areas that would of eliminated human interaction.
Anyway you slice it ( pun ) I've grown rather fond of my anus. I will not willingly visit this South American country nor will I be boarding any UFOs.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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There have been other cases of human mutilations. I heard of one that involved a military person, one involving a young couple as well. Just look them up people.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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that is just like us human beings disecting animals to understand more about them



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 11:37 PM
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This is a disturbing case indeed, but not unique. It happened in America a lot in the first part of the 20th century. There are currently which there are more than sixty unique extra terrestrial civilizations visiting, but only seven of them are evil. The government formally met this particular civilization, one of the so-called "Greys" (of which there are several different groups and they're not all evil), during Eisenhower's Administration, but I'm not totally sure. I know this meeting was filmed by the military and inspired Spielberg to make Close Encounters when he saw it. I was reminded when I read this, that our government knew an ET group were abducting Americans and mutilating them, because we were finding hundreds of these corpses over the countryside, and during negotiations our old government (before the rise of the military-industrial complex run by the Rockefeller Cartel) told these fellows that they were not allowed to continue kidnapping and mutilating US citizens.

After that, the instances of this happening in the US have fell dramatically, but it still happens more than I'd like to think about every year. Our gov't has been complaining about this, but continue working with these guys. In fact, our government works almost exclusively with evil extra terrestrials because all the good ones want us to get rid of our nukes. Those are the ones who want to help us evolve. The only group of Greys that kidnap people and mutilate them are humans whose DNA has fallen apart gradually over thousands of years. They're trying desperately to fix their DNA, and think of the people they abduct as no better than cattle, and incidentally those turn up mutilated in much the same manner this poor fellow in the article was.

You see, the great secret of the UFO cover-up is that every civilization in the galaxy looks strikingly similar to us. They're all more or less human. The "Greys" look like they do because they're genetically "sick", although I've heard some of them evolved from plants, or are even bio-mechanical in different instances. These ones are definitely descended from humans, possibly the same group as the J-RODS, who ostensibly come from some thirty-thousands of years in Earth's future, making them descendants of the NWO who flee underground after some catastrophic upheaval. They're experimenting on humans because our bodies are similar to what their used to be, but no amount of this sort of experimentation will save themselves. This may seem unlikely at first, even assuming you believe in this stuff, but if you take into account that their eyes aren't really black, but so bloodshot and photosensitive that they wear their own special "contact lenses" like sun glasses, and that their bodies strongly resemble the human fetus, their possible origin begin to make a little more sense.

As for why they just drop these bodies off just anywhere, it's simply that they don't care. Even the satanic Illuminati thoroughly sedate their sacrificial victims before dicing them up. These aliens are like machines in their mind and heart. Also, it suits them to terrify people by leaving these grizzly things behind because they probably feed on the fear like energy vampires do. It furthers their agenda to frighten people, because fear makes you vulnerable.

I know the J-RODS consider members of MJ-12 and their immediate families to be "heirlooms", and the Illuminati are under the thumb of the Annunaki, who are a highly-evolved reptilian race who look like blond people with perfect bodies, more than twice the size of your average man. They wear red-and-gold jumpsuits and masks, and really, really don't like it when you look them in the eye.

Most you might not know, but the Rockefeller Cartel, which administrates MJ-12, is at war with the satanic Illuminati. They have been for much of recent history. There is no united conspiracy to dominate, but a series of petty backstabbing gestures and more "setbacks" than you can count your blessings for. It's not even totally the fault of so-called "ruling elite" in some ways. They're got extra terrestrial superiors who can annihilate them instantly, and have refused to accept the help of the good people of the cosmos who could instantly set us up for a golden age if we just rejected the old way of thinking and became more loving, like that guy Jesus said we should.

I didn't make any of this up. If any part of this is not factually true, then whatever it was I watched/read was not as as credible as it looked. I actually want to answer the second. I know I rambled a lot, but I read a lot about this stuff and I wanted to contribute as much of my fringe knowledge as I can. Even if it's not all true, some of it probably is and that's a lot better than being in the dark. The best way to overcome these star children who are so utterly lost is to show them your love and sympathy. I hear a lot that compassion scares the hell out of them, because it's not something you just feel inside chemically. Your DNA also broadcasts it informationally to every living thing around you, and it carries the frequency ten times more readily than fear. This is why the mass media is so relentless, yet just seven thousand people meditating on peace can lower worldwide violence by 70%. That part at least is well-documented fact.

But don't believe everything you read. The Pentagon Psyops and the NSA are working tirelessly to pump YOUR alternative media with THEIR lies. This is psychological warfare, folks. More than that, it's a frequency war to decide the fate of the Earth. We, as a civilization, have to decide whether we want to live in fear or in love. You cannot be defeated without first giving your consent in some fashion.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Syrus Magistus]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 12:13 AM
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*from my original post on page 13*

Has there been a itemized list as to what exactly was removed from the victims body?

And if so, looking at it(the list) irregardless to the possible identity of the conductor of this dissection, has any motive been thought of that could explain the purpose of such a dissection to be performed on a living specimen(no disrespect to the victims)?

What did the conductor of this dissection need to learn from a living species that warrented such action?


*just trying to get some communal brainstorming started*



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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As this subject is very controversial and dangerous can you post any sources to back up what you claim or are what you say just based upon personal opinion?

I have to ask because you posted your words as if it was fact yet failed to provide sources. For something as wild as you just said you really should give sources otherwise it is just wild conjecture and possibly even irresponsible disinformation.

I am not accusing you of disseminating disinformation but it is possible that unless you can be sure of your claims – that you were fed disinformation and lies to further someone else's agenda.

Not an attack on you, I am just saying the first thing that came to mind on reading your post.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by GORGANTHIUM
Many different alien species visit the earth each year.A great number of them do take samples of plants,and life forms including humans sometimes.Some of these aliens can be very nasty like the story we have here.Don;t think for a minute that the grays or reptillians know or detect all the intelligent life forms that visit our world each year.Yes some are allowed thought to do what ever they want to humans and cows.Many people dissapear because they have been abducted by aliens never to return.So what happens to these people.Many are used as food for the aliens.Some are kept alive in spaced out alien zoos.Some people are kept as pets or experimented on.


I knew, i wonder why i was visited? maybe cause i had my little girl?
i dunno?



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 08:15 AM
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I believe the reality is most likely pretty close to the story told by SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis (of corse there is a lot of rubbish as well in these series). I try summarize what is told there as briefly as possible:

The race called "asgard" has problems reproducing and therefore has been cloning itself for the last multiple ages. Due to DNA deterioration during the cloning process the race is now dying and has no other chance to survive physically then using human DNA, as they are supposed to have separated from our tree of evolution about two billion years ago. Their DNA therefore is written in the same language as our's.
Not all asgard agree to the experiments performed on humans, those who oppose these experiments died a short time ago (or are about to commit suicide because of the hopelessness). They passed all their knowledge to the military of this planet, hoping we would not abuse it, but use it to help spreading peace.
The branch of the race that supports the experiments seems to be the only group of survivors.

Sounds completely unbelievable but as much facts from the Stargate-Series it fits. I don't claim this to be true but I believe that we should seek the truth at places the governments can tell it without discrediting itself. Places such as movies and music etc.

greetings...



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