DANGER **Obama gives Interpol immunity

Obama has signed an Executive Order that gives Interpol (International Police) immunity, this is the order allowing Interpol - International Police - to conduct ops on US soil against US citizens. Thats not a spin on the order, its what it is!

December 30, 2009 - San Francisco, CA - PipeLineNews.org - In a quiet manner, on December 16 President Obama amended Executive Order #12425. 12425 is a Reagan era document [1983]. Please note item 2[C] detailing an immunity President Reagan explicitly chose not to apply to Interpol in the original order. "Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable." Amended document reproduced in its entirety below [source, www.whitehouse.gov... Amendment to Exec. Order #12425]. We find it unusual for this administration to amend an Executive Order that had been in effect through 4 presidencies, Democrat and Republican, over a period of 25 years. Why the hurry and why now?

Full story here

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This, if true, is a breach of the constitution and and a clandestine declaration of martial law.

No international force supersedes american forces on american soil, according to the constitution. INTERPOL is bound to no country's constitution. Allowing them immunity on american soil is allowing the constitution to be put aside.

This will get ugly.

The trouble with 2 news forums is that each are relevant because politics is everything.

Anywho's there is a thread on this already in the Political Break News forum.

I vote to keep both open whilst it's hot and have them link to each other so that everyone can see it. Perhaps merge after a couple days.

-m0r

I did search before posting but didn't find the other post. Don't know why not???

I confirmed this in the gov search for Executive Orders and it is indeed true.

Interpol only collects data and communicates with local police (as I understand it anyway), so this is really a non-issue. It isn't like they will be arresting any US citizens.

I could be wrong, but I think Interpol is a toothless organization similar to the UN.

reply to post by getreadyalready


INTERPOL is the world’s largest international police organization, with 188 member countries. Created in 1923, it facilitates cross-border police co-operation, and supports and assists all organizations, authorities and services whose mission is to prevent or combat international crime.

INTERPOL aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries. Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. INTERPOL’s constitution prohibits ‘any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.’

In short if an American breaks the law or is accused of a crime Interpol can simply then, come to the US and pick them up. More than likely knowing the bravado of US cops they would probably ask US law enforcement to either do it for them or accompany them. Either way, I don;t like this order. The possibilities open the door to Interpol agents coming to the US conducting ops (as others already do and probably including Interpol already) This EO just gives them the written OK to do it oppenly now.

Interpol website





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Originally posted by getreadyalready
Interpol only collects data and communicates with local police (as I understand it anyway), so this is really a non-issue. It isn't like they will be arresting any US citizens.

I could be wrong, but I think Interpol is a toothless organization similar to the UN.

I think you had better do a little more research. Interpol is the BIGGEST data collecting agency on the planet. They ARE big brother. But it goes well beyond that.

In order to maintain as politically neutral a role as possible, Interpol's constitution forbids its involvement in crimes that do not overlap several member countries, or in any political, military, religious, or racial crimes. Its work focuses primarily on public safety, terrorism, organized crime, crimes against humanity, genocide, war crimes, Piracy, illicit drug production, drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, human trafficking, money laundering, child pornography, white-collar crime, computer crime, intellectual property crime and corruption.

Now, tell me, what crimes are there that CAN'T be classified as terrorism? Considering this county's "War on Drugs", all of their involvement in drug related crimes is of interest. Computer crime has been a focus in this country for quite a while now.

If you think this is a non-issue, I have to wonder what is an issue. Afterall, you are watching the Constitution be systematically dismantled. If that isnt an issue, what is?

Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

In short if an American breaks the law or is accused of a crime Interpol can simply then, come to the US and pick them up.
Interpol website
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You forgot to add "International". So the correct sentence is

In short if an American internationally breaks the law or is accused of a crime Interpol can simply then, come to the US and pick them up.

Originally posted by December_Rain

Originally posted by mikelee
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

In short if an American breaks the law or is accused of a crime Interpol can simply then, come to the US and pick them up.
Interpol website
[edit on 4-1-2010 by mikelee]

You forgot to add "International". So the correct sentence is

In short if an American internationally breaks the law or is accused of a crime Interpol can simply then, come to the US and pick them up.

Thats not exactly accurate either. The only thing that has to happen for a crime to be in INTERPOL's jurisdicition(well, they really dont even have one) in for it to cross one border.

Drug crimes, computer crimes, anything related to terrorism, and most white collar crimes can be lumped in here any place, any time, as they are considered international crimes, even if they take place within a single country.

The executive orders pertain to a law written in 1945.

en.wikisource.org...

Definition of international organization

For the purposes of this title, the term ‘‘international organization’’ means a public international organization in which the United States participates pursuant to any treaty or under the authority of any Act of Congress authorizing such participation or making an appropriation for such participation, and which shall have been designated by the President through appropriate Executive order as being entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities herein provided

en.wikisource.org...

Regan amended it in 1983

en.wikisource.org...

Clinton amended it in 1995

en.wikisource.org...

Obama in 2009

www.whitehouse.gov...


I don't see how this affects the average American.

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All the ways of the Constitution is being systematically dismantled are extremely concerning, but I think this one is low on my worry priority list, lol!

Even though Interpol has this "authority," from what I know, they never actually pick anyone up, they simply work with local police to get the job done, and then the accused person goes through all the regular extradition proceedings.

Interpol has been useless in picking up US citizens abroad, and they have been obviously useless in preventing terror suspects from entering the US. So, if I see a couple of uniformed Interpol cops milling around US airports, it won't scare me nearly as much as the tatted out TSA agent grabbing my girlfriends ass, or the Rednecks and Muslims side by side on my next flight to Vegas!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

All the ways of the Constitution is being systematically dismantled are extremely concerning, but I think this one is low on my worry priority list, lol!

Even though Interpol has this "authority," from what I know, they never actually pick anyone up, they simply work with local police to get the job done, and then the accused person goes through all the regular extradition proceedings.

Interpol has been useless in picking up US citizens abroad, and they have been obviously useless in preventing terror suspects from entering the US. So, if I see a couple of uniformed Interpol cops milling around US airports, it won't scare me nearly as much as the tatted out TSA agent grabbing my girlfriends ass, or the Rednecks and Muslims side by side on my next flight to Vegas!

They dont 'work with' local authorities. They tell the local authorities who to pick up, so that they dont have to get their hands dirty, and so that they can sidestep things like the American Constitution. It truly isnt rocket science, if you stand back and look at things.

Its quite sad to me, that you are more concerned about ethnicity and financial situation of an individual than the blatant abuse of your rights, but that does seem to be the general sentiment in this country.

Then again, that has been the plan all along, get the average person scared f the brown skinned guy, so that they not only overlook what is actually happeneing, but they actually advocate the taking away of their rights.

Why cant people see this?

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"Redneck" isn't an economic term? And my concern regarding Rednecks and Muslims was neither economic nor religious/ethnicity, nor was it a global concern of mine. It was a specific concern regarding my fears in an airport. #1 was the tatted out TSA agent (like some friends of mine that should never have been hired there!) groping my girlfriend/wife/or mother, #2 concern was the "mixture" of the Redneck and the Muslim on my plane........and way down my list of concerns was the nerdy Interpol agent who doesn't carry a gun and certainly doesn't want to spark an international incident. (In contrast to my tatted out TSA friend that would love to see himself on the news!)

You see, you are correct that it isn't rocket science, or brain surgery, the dismantling of the Constitution is pretty much complete due to our Supreme Court, and our dozens of Congressional thinktanks and Committees. Us 'Rednecks' have seen this for quite a long time, and adding foreign police or troops to the mix actually simplifies the equation! It is immensely difficult to fight TPTB when they are a part of our community, or our elected officials, but as soon as you put a foreign face on them it gets very simple!

That is why I know that this Interpol thing is not important. Our Government is grasping at power, and misleading the people via the MSM on a daily basis. They are very adept at staying in the shadows and not giving the people a cause to unite behind. If they made the Little League move of allowing a foreign police force to violate some of our rights, they would quickly lose the control they are fighting so maniacally to keep!

While Section 2 (c) does provide some immunities that are of concern, these immunities are of concern not just as applied to INTERPOL, but as applied to every designated international organization. If there is a debate to be had, it’s whether or not Public Law 79-291 should provide such absolute immunity from lawful, court-approved search and seizure for any organization operating within the United States, international or otherwise.

Rather than concocting wild theories about how U.S. citizens are now at the mercy of INTERPOL, which is flatly untrue, we should be asking Congress to review the law and decide if the “inviolable” immunity from lawful search and seizure pursuant to a warrant of international organizations is appropriate. Of course, as Mr. Whiteley points out in his paper, the reason such immunities are offered is because other countries offer the same sort of privileges and immunities to U.S. organizations operating in their countries

thebroadside.freedomblogging.com...

Read the article.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

"Redneck" isn't an economic term? And my concern regarding Rednecks and Muslims was neither economic nor religious/ethnicity, nor was it a global concern of mine. It was a specific concern regarding my fears in an airport. #1 was the tatted out TSA agent (like some friends of mine that should never have been hired there!) groping my girlfriend/wife/or mother, #2 concern was the "mixture" of the Redneck and the Muslim on my plane........and way down my list of concerns was the nerdy Interpol agent who doesn't carry a gun and certainly doesn't want to spark an international incident. (In contrast to my tatted out TSA friend that would love to see himself on the news!)

You see, you are correct that it isn't rocket science, or brain surgery, the dismantling of the Constitution is pretty much complete due to our Supreme Court, and our dozens of Congressional thinktanks and Committees. Us 'Rednecks' have seen this for quite a long time, and adding foreign police or troops to the mix actually simplifies the equation! It is immensely difficult to fight TPTB when they are a part of our community, or our elected officials, but as soon as you put a foreign face on them it gets very simple!

That is why I know that this Interpol thing is not important. Our Government is grasping at power, and misleading the people via the MSM on a daily basis. They are very adept at staying in the shadows and not giving the people a cause to unite behind. If they made the Little League move of allowing a foreign police force to violate some of our rights, they would quickly lose the control they are fighting so maniacally to keep!

Redneck absolutely does have economic connotations. And however you want to justify it, you are more concerned against the brown skinned person next to you who *may* be up to something than those who are rubbing it in your face.

The thing is, you are speaking as though the Gov't and/or INTERPOL is going to advertise their moves, that it is going to be public knowledge. Absolutely ludacris. Just like Xe Services and their operations on american soil, the whole point is to stay under the radar.

most likely, if you do hear about wrong doings by INTERPOL, it will be blamed on the local police, which is the whole idea of having local police doing the dirty work for them.

There is a level of corruption within U.S. government agencies that needs to be dealt with, and obviously we can't hope that they will deal with these internal issues on their own. It just will not happen, That corruption and criminal activity has unfortunately grown exponentially over several decades and reached a level where one could accurately asses and claim that several U.S. agencies have become not much more than extremely powerful criminal organizations.

While I am highly skeptical of the true intent of INTERPOL, I am also willing to withhold my skepticism and give them an opportunity to prove themselves on these issues.

If they can successfully take on and bring down corrupt U.S. agencies, then that is something everyone should support because in this area we can't do it internally.

For me, on this one, the jury is still out until I see what they actually are going to do with this opportunity.

This can go either way... Either it will prove to be a monumental mistake or one of the best decisions the Obama administration has made yet.

From canadafreepress.com...

"The U.N. and Interpol:How the U.N. Will Gain Power"

QUOTE:

"...It is interesting that the man who cast aside the US Constitution like a rag, and imposes his own laws without consent, has agreed to allow an international police authority to overrule the US government.

...Barack Obama signed an Executive Order giving express permission for Interpol to supersede the laws and police authorities of the USA.

...Some have seen this as heralding loss of sovereignty. The truth is, the USA already lost it when it voted for Obama. Before the election he promised to hand over sovereignty to the UN, and this will indeed occur if the people allow him to carry on implementing his own Executive Orders without the consent of Congress or the people!...

...Anti-Greens are ‘Criminals’

According to Interpol, “Environmental crime is a serious and growing international problem… it is not limited to criminals polluting the air, water and land and pushing commercially valuable wildlife species closer to extinction; it can also include crimes which speed up climate change… and exhaust essential natural resources.” What did Interpol say about not being involved in politics?

...Very clearly, Interpol is working behind the scenes to identify ‘criminals’ who oppose climate change plans by the UN! Can’t you see what is going on? Can’t you see that we are seeing the creation of a Marxist regime far greater than the Soviets could have dreamt of? Far greater than the one now existing in China?

...Interpol speaks of these ‘crimes’ as being harmful to the economy and security… blatant political propaganda dressed up in police uniforms! What has a police organisation got to do with the economy? The economy is to do with politics!

...The organisation says that organised crime is behind anti-green activities. This tells us which way Obama and the UN are moving to silence their foes. “In this way we can contribute to the ongoing conservation of the world’s environment, biodiversity and natural resources.” This is nothing but police being used as the strong-arm men of the UN to silence anti-green activity. What has a police organisation to do with ‘conservation’ and ‘natural resources’? Nothing! But, under the UN, Interpol will make very sure people like me are eliminated. (Of course, before that, they will ensure that our names are ridiculed and our protests are muffled, which works just as well)."...

This is a very informative and foreblding article!

More...

..."During Hitler’s time, Interpol was under the command of the SS. (Freedomswings.wordpress.com). The FBI sought membership of Interpol in 1938, despite it being riddled with, and ruled by, the SS. Thus, today, only the type of socialism has changed… Interpol is now under Marxist rule. The continued membership of the USA in Interpol, and the new status of Interpol as diplomatic, with immunity, means that Obama can operate under the radar as much as he likes, by placing documents with Interpol. And Interpol can be used as the bully-boys of state, with no come-backs.

...Interpol will work alongside the UN’s stormtroopers, as enforcers of UN laws and whims. It has immunity in the USA – no doubt it will gain immunity in many more countries as they mimic Obama’s duplicity. They will investigate and arrest any who dare to oppose UN policies, whether social, criminal or economic, including anti-greens. Watch for it, because it is bound to come. "...

I'm speechless! (But not surprised.)

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Maybe you are reading me wrong? I consider myself a redneck, and a large part of my friends are the same, and many of them are very wealthy. "Redneck" toys are expensive you know! Weeks off work for hunting, $40,000 4x4 mudtrucks! All the latest Weapons gadgetry! Owning large tracts of land, or signing expensive hunting leases, etc., etc!

And no, I am not considered about the dark-skinned person next to me, that is probably the safest place on the plane for him! I am concerned about other people overreacting to the dark-skinned person next to me! I am concerned about the TSA strip searching the dark-skinned person next to me! I am concerned about the TSA using their 3d scanners to ogle my wife's new boobs! I am concerned about the hiring the TSA and other law enforcement are doing!

Some idiot patsy blowing up his own crotch on a plane destined for one of the most depressed areas in the country is the least of my worries! I am far more worried about our internal turmoil, than anything Al Faka or LetmeYemen or OCIAma Bin Laden wants to rant about on their little YouTube channels!

Edit to Add: BTW, this redneck rents his upstairs to a brown-skin kid going to grad school for economics at FSU and with an undergrad degree in Physics, and we happily coexist on my economically repressed acre or two of lakefront land, with the pool, and frozen drink maker. And, he enjoys going to the gun range with me and my buddies (one of which happens to have grown up in the USSR, but now he wears a rebel flag motorcycle jacket!) I am the last person you want to discuss stereotypes with, because I fit all of them and I am the exception to all of them!!

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Ugh, this paranoid right-wing blogosphere-driven tripe again. This was all started under Reagan, and does not give interpol any undue rights not afforded to other similar organizations. As the articles says, conservatives can't have it both ways. Stop letting the powers that be fool you into chasing phantoms while they laugh at you all the way to the bank.:

Created in 1923, INTERPOL has 188 member countries including the US. Its purpose is to facilitate cross-border police co-operation and to work with other legitimate law enforcement organizations worldwide to prevent and combat international crime, with a focus on: drugs and criminal organizations; financial and high-tech crime; fugitives; public safety and terrorism; trafficking in human beings; and corruption. The US historically has participated whole-heartedly in INTERPOL; the current Secretary General of INTERPOL is Ronald Noble, a former Undersecretary of Enforcement of the Department of the Treasury during the Clinton administration. "The FBI and other law enforcement agencies have closely coordinated with INTERPOL for many, many years," a former counterterrorism official who served during the Bush administration says approvingly. In Lyon, France, 2003, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft spoke to INTERPOL and said to Noble, "INTERPOL was already a top-flight law enforcement organization, but your dynamic leadership has brought new dimensions to this global crime-fighting resource." Reagan's 1983 executive order, however, did not provide blanket exemptions for INTERPOL officials, who at the time did not have a permanent office in the US. The provisions of the International Organizations Immunities Act that INTERPOL officials were not exempt from included: • Section 2(c), which provided officials immunity from their property and assets being searched and confiscated; including their archives; • the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes; • Section 4, dealing with federal taxes; • Section 5, dealing with Social Security; and • Section 6, dealing with property taxes. I'm told INTERPOL didn't have a permanent office in the US until 2004, which is why it wasn’t until this month afforded the same full privileges given, say, the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission by President Kennedy in 1962. In September 1995, President Clinton updated Reagan's executive order with Executive Order No. 12971, giving INTERPOL officials exemption from some of the customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes’. Then in his December 17, 2009, executive order President Obama exempted INTERPOL from the rest of the exceptions Reagan listed -- Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6. So what does the counterterrorism official from the Bush years think of this? He can't believe it's taken this long. "To the extent that granting these immunities to INTERPOL furthers the efficacy or ease of information-sharing or joint action on an expedited basis to act on warrants seems like a no brainer to me," the official says. "Conservatives can't have it both ways," the official says. "You can't be complaining about the hypothetical abdication of US jurisdiction at the same time you're complaining the Obama administration is not being tough enough on national security." Obama administration officials say this new executive order doesn't allow INTERPOL to do any more than they were allowed to do once Reagan recognized them as a public international organization. Though clearly the Executive Order does prohibit US law enforcement from searching and seizing INTERPOL records, officials say, those provisions can be waived by the president if need be.

blogs.abcnews.com...

If only all you reactionaries would have gotten all hot and bothered over something meaningful, such as:

Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, the Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines flight 93, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States. Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2008. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat. This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress. GEORGE W. BUSH THE WHITE HOUSE, August 28, 2008.

Come-on teabaggers, all of your anger is being misdirected and co-opted by the real powers that be while they laugh at your ignorance and arrogance all the way to the bank.

Best,
Skunknuts

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You are speaking to Blind Sheep Mate, ..

Jam posted the exact same thing ages ago and nobody payed attention to his logical posts .. ..

I guess it is fun to Hate Obama for things Reagan Started (remember the Czars)



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