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Ron Paul's ideas no longer fringe

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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 09:55 AM
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Hmm, this may show a change is in the winds...Dr. Paul getting kudos from the L.A. Times?

Can anyone say 2012?


Perhaps it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the corpo-puppets in the media to shun and ridicule him this time around like they did the last time....


Reporting from Washington - For three decades, Texas congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul's extreme brand of libertarian economics consigned him to the far fringes even among conservatives. Not a few times, his views put him on the losing end of 434-1 votes on Capitol Hill.

No longer. With the economy still struggling and political divisions deepening, Paul's ideas not only are gaining a wider audience but also are helping to shape a potentially historic battle over economic policy -- a struggle that will affect everything including jobs, growth and the nation's place in the global economy. Already, Paul's long-derided proposal to give Congress supervisory power over the traditionally independent Federal Reserve appears to be on its way to becoming law.


Full Article:

www.latimes.com...



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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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Imagine if Ron Paul won
Imagine abolishing the fed and wasteful spending and these useless wars
imagine limited govt.

Imagine it all, now that's change
Ron Paul was the ONLY candidate offering change but nobody saw it
And I do apologize but that says alot about the people
They voted for popularity over common sense

Very sad!



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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"Ron Paul is the messiah .. bringer of change .. his words are truth .. nothing he says is wrong .."

WOW .. Ron Paul supporters sound a lot like Obama supporters ..


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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
"Ron Paul is the messiah .. bringer of change .. his words are truth .. nothing he says is wrong .."

WOW .. Ron Paul supporters sound a lot like Obama supporters ..


The quote marks are there for what purpose? Nobody claimed Ron Paul to be 'the messiah'. As a Brit I envy the fact that you have a politician who isn't afraid to speak out against the money spinners and speak sense about the economic 'crisis'. We certainly don't, not at least that I can recall, most of ours are spineless and if it weren't for impunity they really wouldn't have very much to say at all.

Ron Paul for president indeed; sadly it's taken too long for somebody of his way of thinking to get anywhere in politics, but with any luck some of his supporters will follow in his footsteps and run alongside with the good sense of the American people to vote them in.

Edit to note: we do have a much fairer system in terms of party numbers, but the problem we have is that most smaller parties fixate on singular issues, i.e the enviroment (Green Party), Immigration (BNP), and so on. The fact that Ron Paul got anywhere in a 2 horse race astounds me and he should be applauded simply for maintaining his seat all these years.


[edit on 4-1-2010 by Pr0t0]


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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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I notice you have shown up on a couple of my RP threads now with the pseudo-insulting dribble.

You have a better candidate in mind? Or you just like making yourself sound high and mighty by insulting others?

If you have a better candidate in mind, or some way to fix the current train wreck of this two party crime family, we'll be all ears...

Let's hear it.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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To be honest , i don't think there is a Good candidate out there ..

Ron Paul is a conservative freak .. and i am pretty sure if he gets elected (Please no) he will be as corrupt/incompetent ..

Obama seemed a pretty good candidate .. but his stance in the WARS make me sick .. but in other areas he is okay i guess .. i would support him a second term if he does the "Health Care" "Amnesty" thing .. if he doesn't i will support someone in the green party .. or even the socialist party (they always have good candidates) ..

I want a progressive, lefty/liberal candidate .. Ron Paul is not that ..



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:02 AM
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Well, that is your opinion on RP, and I respect opinions. Just wish you could leave out the insulting, condescending stuff. lol.

What about Kucinich?

The thing I'm leaning towards IS some sort of candidate who is not afraid TO be radically opposed to this current operating system, to go against the grain of the rest, because as it stand right now, this country is a freakin mess, and it is largely due to all of these congressmen coercing together for special-interests and big business. We desperately need someone to challenge this.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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I like Kucinich because he try to impeach Bush and Cheney .. opposes WARS .. and loves ANIMALS
..



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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haha, then we may be on to something here!
Can't disagree with a single thing you said there. =)

And Kucinich is a socialist at heart, no?



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Polynomial C
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Ron Paul is a conservative freak ..


Who cares about what he "is"?...so childish...

Are his ideas factually correct or incorrect?

Do his votes look more or less stupid with the benefit of hindsight than your non-conservative-freak alternative...go ahead, pick any other clever fella, come on down...


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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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Ron Paul is most certainly not a conservative freak, and by reducing your argument to name calling, you have reduced the validity of your own argument. I don't think Ron Paul is corrupt by the simple fact that he is a black sheep in the eyes of most other politicians, media, and simple minded masses. Last time I checked, corrupt people usually became corrupt to achieve money power, and respect. Going against the grain gets you none of that.

No one thinks Ron Paul is the messiah. That is a mistake the Obamians alone have made. People do, however think he is a good politician for his "back to basics" views. I still am having trouble understanding why people look at our current spending and constitution-overriding and don't see that as a bad thing. Perhaps it is because too many people see political change as just another bandwagon to get on; something fashionable and fun, but not worth serious inquiry. I felt sick to my stomach watching all those masses of college kids crowing on about Obama like they really knew anything beyond their dorm parties and beer bongs. I was saddened to think those were my peers.

The fact that Ron Paul was systematically ridiculed by ALL media including Fox was evidence enough for me that he had something very interesting to say that TPTB did not like at all. When he won all the preliminary debates and Fox and CNN chalked it up to his "wierdo Internet fan base" voting over and over again, I grinned to see a man who clearly threatened the current social system I have come to loathe. I like his views and I like that he isn't afraid to be the wierdo of politicians. He wants to quit bottle feeding America and putting more responsibilities in the hands of individuals. I understand liberals are very uncomfortable with that because liberals do not believe they should be responsible for anything.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Yeah, I can go for Kucinich .. We'll see in 2012



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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I like Ron Paul because of his inelastic views on the Necessary and Proper, Interstate Commerce, and General Welfare clauses.

Just about every other politician out there sees those clauses as elastic and conferring additional powers to the Federal Government other than the ones enumerated in the Constitution.

Ron Paul understands that major changes to the Federal Government require major support among the country like 2/3 support in Congress and 3/4 support in the states as the Constitution requires to amend it.

Just about all the rest of the politicians in the Democrat and Republican parties could care less about following the Constitution's well thought out processes. They would rather try and use elastic interpretations of those clauses for then they only need simple majority in Congress and 5/9 support in the SCOTUS.

As much as I used to like Kucinich, Sanders, and Feingold it is clear from their recent votes on the Health Care bill that they do not care about following the Constitution's processes either. Kucinich on his own web site has a petition form to establish health care as a right and he justifies it under the General Welfare clause.

[edit on 4-1-2010 by Bobbox1980]



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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I do really like paul, and i also liked kucinich and gravel in the last elections. I never felt like any of them was bought, in the way that ALL other congressmen seem to be. As for the "right to healthcare"....our governments job is largely to manage social issues to ensure the stability of our nation. Healthcare IS one of those issues, as is education....absolutely essential to our stability, and indeed to true democracy.
By saying its a "right" does not mean we get it for free. We pay for it with our tax dollars. Currently most other western industrialized nations get healthcare and education in return for their taxes. Our taxes, meanwhile, go to prop up corporate profit through subsidies, go to research now for pharmeceutical profit, and go to sending our soldiers around the world to war, in order to secure profit and control for our oil industries. We pay nearly as much tax as other countries, as official tax free day this year was in june so estimates are that after state, federal, property, sales and vice tax etc we pay near 50% of our wages in tax. And yet we as civilians profit very little from it. Security? I live in new orleans, we dont have it. However, while we may largely have national security from attack, so do most other nations. Infrastructure? falling apart. Social welfare and safety net? Many other countries safety nets are much better than ours. So in reality, though we pay as much in tax as other countries, we get shafted when it comes to benefiting from those taxes paid.

We can pay 1 trillion to send our soldiers to control oil and water in the middle east, and we can pay 4 trillion to bail out predatory banks who have been sticking it to us while using our tax dollars, and yet we cant provide healthcare or education to our own people with what is, when all is said and done, OUR money?? All this in a nation where the majority of people are FAR more interested in healthcare and education than they are in war or bailing out banks. Shows the fact that we, the people are NOT represented by our congress and senate, so we must give as much support as possible to those few congressmen who DO work for their constituents.

I have seen ron paul in the past vote against his own beliefs because his CONSTITUENTS whom he REPRESENTS wanted something outside of his own interest. He supported those whose votes and desires he represents rather than his own agenda. Sadly the majority of the time i see most other congressmen vote solely upon the basis and interest of those corporations and lobbyists giving donations, NOT for their own principle, and NOT to represent their voters. I may not agree with everything Ron Paul says, but i highly respect his integrity, something i believe totally lacking in lieberman, pelosi, mccain, obama, et al.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Hmm, this may show a change is in the winds...Dr. Paul getting kudos from the L.A. Times?
Full Article:

www.latimes.com...


I love how the LA Times frames his proposal.

Paul's proposal does not give congress any supervisory power over the Fed, which is why he managed to get it through.

If it did give congress power over the Fed, he wouldn't have half the votes for it.

All it does is audit the Fed (which of course will uncover all sorts of illegal corruption, which will then lead to supervisory power or dismantling).



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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I've been saying it for quite some time now... If Ron Paul is not killed by this Government, eventually he will re-establish some sort of sensability in this country.
He is far from a "freak". In fact, he stands firmly against everything the American Public has come to despise about "business as usual" in Washington D.C.
If only the average joe would listen to his views on these matters, rather than what the MSM has been using for years now to ridicule him as a nutjob, we would see a MAJOR shift of support in his direction...
Maybe that is happening now. I don't know and I won't hold my breath. The man has been speaking truth to power for quite some time now and most people still think the guy is a quack. Funny that a 10 term Congressman could even be considered such a thing in the first place. Let alone a 10 term congressman who literally won every debate he participated in during the last election cycle.

I think it boils down to two things.
1) Following the herd led by the MSM in ridicule of the man.
2) Being afraid of REAL change.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Hmm, this may show a change is in the winds...Dr. Paul getting kudos from the L.A. Times?

Can anyone say 2012?


Perhaps it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the corpo-puppets in the media to shun and ridicule him this time around like they did the last time....


Reporting from Washington - For three decades, Texas congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul's extreme brand of libertarian economics consigned him to the far fringes even among conservatives. Not a few times, his views put him on the losing end of 434-1 votes on Capitol Hill.

No longer. With the economy still struggling and political divisions deepening, Paul's ideas not only are gaining a wider audience but also are helping to shape a potentially historic battle over economic policy -- a struggle that will affect everything including jobs, growth and the nation's place in the global economy. Already, Paul's long-derided proposal to give Congress supervisory power over the traditionally independent Federal Reserve appears to be on its way to becoming law.


Full Article:

www.latimes.com...


....or is it a tactic? First off.....everyone has a price and his is obviously high. Secondly, a compliment to your enemy makes him a potential ally. As with a country, you control it's head .....you control the whole country. If they end up controlling HIM.....they will likely control you all. I don't think he has a price they can afford though, he loves his country too much.
You know, maybe they are just telling the public what they want to hear AGAIN!!!! It is like when a man marries a woman, once he has conquered that area of his life, he sometimes negates his wife of attention because the job has been finished..he then focuses his attention on his friends or his car or an obsessive project. Like the aforementioned analogy, maybe they think if they go ahead and tell us that the battle has almost been completed (when it really hasn't) we will "let our hair down" (so to speak) and focus our attention on other things. You know, what they have always done to us, the magic trick of watching one hand while the other does the actual trick. An example would be trying to force healthcare on us at the most inopportune moment in our current history. The proclaimed "affordable" Healthcare was never an imperative issue before in our country's history, yet now, at an all time low in American jobs as well as financial ruin and a war weary people.......they move "affordable" healthcare to the front burner, and it's not really affordable at all, this will actually bankrupt many and imprison others for not being able to afford it when it's mandantory............the trick is that everyone and their mother is talking about healthcare now on the MSM and almost NOTHING else and almost ALWAYS in a positive LIE-ght, leaving out any negatives , of course. This distracts from the fact that Obama is only carrying out the final steps of Bushs' already destructive plan. Pushing policies and not letting congress read pages of it, re-upping the constitution shredding Patriot Act, Passing policies and not letting the American public in on them, financially draining our already defiled economy, promises are turned into lies upon lies used just to get into office. In fact if you want to see a laundry list of Obamas' Lies click here there are nearly a hundred of them, sending more troops (not only to die) but to drain more from the economy (when his platform for office was to bring them home, all while keeping American jobs on the back burner and trying to convince people via MSM that they are headed in a positive direction despite the evidence suggesting otherwise. Pretty much they are pissing on our backs and telling us it's raining. These pleasantries in Ron Paul's favor is most likely another attempt to distract us from something else they are doing? How do I know?.........because that is our true history in America and until everyone realizes their true history and how they are manipulated by the elites and MSM , we will continue to dance, while the elites continue to lead.

[edit on 4-1-2010 by Phenomium]



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 07:38 PM
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Some people have principles and compassion that render them nigh unbuyable. We can hope that he is one. Of course, we (not meaning me by any means) saw where hope got us with obama.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 07:44 PM
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Daniel Hannan is kind of like Ron Paul. He is in the European Parliament.

Check the video in the link.... brilliant.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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I don't think that Ron Paul was ever on the ideological periphery and was always a centrist ideologically. Your next door neighbor could have ideologically centrist views that fall within what is "normal" yet your neighbor will always be on the periphery of the establishment because he does have the monetary or popular support to win a major election. Ron Paul was just on the periphery of the political establishment because he was too liberal to attract the Republican core, yet liberals stayed away from him because he was a Republican.



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