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There has to be a line drawn. These animals cannot have the same rights as people.
Originally posted by rapunzel222
reply to post by Mythtified
its so sad what people do to animals, and all because they think they are superior or more entitled than animals. Why? Becuz the bible says so? that is a lie. humans are no more entitled to life and space on this planet than any other animal, and its about time we started respecting other animals we share it with AS EQUALS and as having RIGHTS too. just like TREES should have rights. and all nature, since all is equal.
of course dolphins are intelligent.
octopus also should have rights and squid.
as should pigs, on the basis of intelligence,
and all sorts of monkeys and apes,
and dogs and cats,
and many other creatures,
including elephants, that demonstrate great intelligence.
actually crows are known to be more advanced tool users probably than chimps.
why dont crows have rights?
its known that parrots can do maths and talk,
but birds have no rights.
humanity frustrates me.
Lol.. I said this in another thread, and I will say it again..
Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by vasaga
Being intelligent was a fluke of nature that suited us well. The more-intelligent proto-humans fared better than the less-intelligent proto-humans, and so intelligence was passed down to the entire species. We can see that no one taught us anything because we've discovered evidence for the evolution of our culture and society, too. That shows gradual, slight changes all along the journey from cavemen to farmers. No gaps are missing, and everything makes sense. It's not as if one day we were trying to throw rocks at the sun to fight off the scary sky-fire, and the next day trading stocks on the internet.
It's basic evolution. There is a bunch of evidence to support it. And no evidence to contradict it. None.
Deny ignorance. Accept the scientific method. Accept evolution.
Originally posted by Mythtified
Originally posted by rapunzel222
its so sad what people do to animals, and all because they think they are superior or more entitled than animals.
The findings of these scientists suggest that we should no longer classify dolphins as "animals". If they are to be regarded as genuine "persons", perhaps science should redefine "human" and "animal".
Science indicates that dolphins are second only to the human species in intelligence, but this is only as seen from the human perspective. Dolphins might consider us even below their intelligence level, and might have access to understanding and insight that we have not even begun to explore.
Their living environment is so different from ours (water in stead of air) that we cannot fathom what they are all about or why they live the way they do.
Certainly classifying them above the human intelligence would be unthinkable due to our cultural, religious and social conditioning which makes us believe that our own paradigm tops everything else.
What if we can't measure what they can achieve in this real world with our senses or our equipment because we can't comprehend it?
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by vasaga
Well, if you're unable to show it, but have the capability of inteligence, then you're a ghost. There is ALWAYS a way to communicate with the outside world if you are intelligent. Intelligence in and of itself demands it. If you had a blob that was made of neurons that was smarter than man, but lacked and ability to show it, it would still send off electrical signals. This was actually seen in the recent movie avatar, where the planet was the gaia hypothesis. It communicated by simply showing it. By it's own signals it showed intelligence. This was literally a biologically evolved god. A planet that cared for its self. But it could still communicate, even without any limbs or corporeal form whatsoever. Again, life finds away. if you're intelligent, you will find a way. If you can't, you're not intelligent. You're either a ghost or from another dimension, and therefore not able to be killed by humans.
I knew this argument was coming.. And yet, I'll repeat the same as I did in my last post.. We can't make up stuff from thin air. We can only see correlations between them, and then add them together. All the stuff you posted here, are examples of the latter (correlations), not the former.
As to gods, oh ye, we did make them up. Probably from observation of the natural world. tell me, look at the current culture of lolcat, lulz, /b/, and all that jazz. this is a complex culture, with a flying spaghetti monster god, his son raptorjesus, etc etc. This is a culture totally and utterly created from scratch. MADE UP. xenu did not come down and enlighten the world on the ways of keyboard cat and the great journey of the rick rolling youth. Go back in time, people are perfectly capable of creating just as complex fictions as us today. I'm a Catholic, yes, but even my religion has made up stuff, from when Christmas happened, to how every saint is venerated as a demi god. to pray to. The pope made up literally the entire existence of purgatory from scratch. Humans are extremely creative. I can, and have, made up grand stories. Just crack a novel open from your local library, and you'll see limitless materials to make up gods and religions with. Very simply put, people will believe in anything to make them feel better.
Right.. So after living with scarce food for I don't know how many years, when things got back to normal, we suddenly wanted way more than what we needed to survive.. Out of nothing? Sorry but, I don't buy that.
Oh, and about our near extinction. We were the only ones to survive. Why do you think we left Africa? Because it was a journey and we wanted to explore? Yes, partially. But also the fact that Africa was then a deserted desert with no life. Humans spread out throughout the world to find what we lost. Some of us returned or stayed in Africa, killed off our relative species, and became the only hominids, others did the same elsewhere. Humans are not moral creatures. Morality only came after culturally, it was the most successful method to build a successful nation.
Humans were forced to consume anything they could find. They wiped out any other species but themselves and a few cattle. Then, when the disaster ended, we found ourselves being a species hungry for new land and food, so we left. How many species has mankind wiped out? too many. That's an echo from our desperation of past generations long ago when our species began. No other species got innovation and creativity because any other species that could of was killed off by your ancestors. Neanderthals, woolly mammoths, homo erectus. Coutnless others. That's why.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by arbiture
Dominion means to care for. Some people take dominion as another word to "f*ck around with". Those people are not right. The president has dominion over the nation. Does he have a right to eat you? No. Dominion is not a right. It is a responsibility. Humans are the only species capable of helping animals and preserving them. IE, dominion is just like a shepherd having dominion over his flock. Care for it, or get eaten by the wolves.
Originally posted by Conclusion
Maybe we should start taxing dolphins like we tax other persons then. Or elect one as leader, it just might actually help us.
How can one travel faster then light? Screw it, I can. why? because I say so, now shut up. K then, you got this here space time. gravity makes it suck in 3d. More mas, more suck. Sucking slows down time though. GOOD, you fool! Oh, ok then, whatever. Ok, so we got this sucking power. SPIN IT! why? Cause I says so. Spinning is fun. Fine, what does that do? I dunno, f*cks up space time? Yea, it's called an ergosphere. OH YEA! spinning sucking power makes time go faster. the hell? why? because mr universe says so. Ok, so we got the suck, we got the faster time, and we got the slow time near the suck. Now we've got ourselves a black hole, congrats. Give it volume. why? Cause I don't give a damn what the universe says, that singularity is going to have bloody volume! but you can't! do it anyway! ok fine, here. You have a point mass with volume, everyone clap at your little freak of the universe, now explain how a pointmass can have volume. Cause I says so. fine, it has volume. Wait a tic! does the volume have a core? well it has volume, so yea, duh. MAKE IT HOLLOW! HOLY CRAP, HOLLOW EVENT HORIZON = FORWARD TIME MACHINE! now what? do something with the ergosphere! what? I don't know, blow it up. blow up space time? yea sure, why not. Na, that does noting... INVERT IT! k, you know have an event horizon around an ergosphere.... how ? Cause I can. Ok.... Well how? Because spinning lots of mass makes one, and newton's shell theorem allows it. Newton's what? NEWTON'S SHELL THEOREM! GRAVITY WITH A HOLLOW CORE MAKES 0 GRAVITY! o...k... Make it a cylinder. why? give it more dimensions, make it a cylinder, not a sphere. Ok, now how are you going to prevent a rotating hollow black hole from sucking up the earth. Antimatter! what? blow it up when you don't need it. Ok, so now we have a cylin-ELECTRIFY IT! what? cylinder electric, antimatter negative, another cylinder inside electric. rotate it. HOLY CRAP, WARP DRIVE! By having a rotating cylinder mass (superfluid antimatter) spin while electrically compressed, it will form a borderline hollow black hole, which will generate an inverted ergosphere within, thus canceling out gravity and allowing people inside the 0 gravity zone to go faster than light because information cannot breach the event horizon to tell the ergo sphere to slow down, and relativity wise, the ergosphere pushes the event horizion faster then light!