reply to post by vasaga
if we cannot measure or be affected by this intelligence, then why would we be bothered by it or care about it? That's like saying there's a
supercomputer on top of a mountain with the knowledge of the universe, but once you get there, it will always teleport to another mountaintop. Then
why bother it? You cannot be affected by it nor have any interaction by it, and there is no way for you to experience it. It, in essence, does not
exist other than it is impossible to get. You've now crossed way passed any worry of humanity. Obviously this intelligence does now what to be with
you. Why bother what doesn't want you? Because if its so ghastly intelligent, it should know how to get through this invisible barrier. If it
doesn't, then don't bother it.
Ok, play your game. What is God? man + natural powers. Not hard at all. What is afterlife? Life + not ending. Done. you made it up from previous
things.
Oh, and yes we can make stuff up out of thin air. Star trek made up warp drive out of thin air. Turns out they were right. Ancient peoples made up the
term automatons, which later came to be viewed as robots.
Sorry, but humans do make up stuff from thin air. I do all the time. This is what makes us human. As it turns out, the making up of stuff sometimes
gets us going for inventions. For instance, I one day thought, why the hell is it so hard to bend space time? So I made up a simulation in my brain
and talked to myself (and answered. woo hoo insanity). Here's what happened. I invite you to look inside my brain, and the conversations within that
make up stuff from thin air.
How can one travel faster then light? Screw it, I can. why? because I say so, now shut up. K then, you got this here space time. gravity makes it
suck in 3d. More mas, more suck. Sucking slows down time though. GOOD, you fool! Oh, ok then, whatever. Ok, so we got this sucking power. SPIN IT!
why? Cause I says so. Spinning is fun. Fine, what does that do? I dunno, f*cks up space time? Yea, it's called an ergosphere. OH YEA! spinning
sucking power makes time go faster. the hell? why? because mr universe says so. Ok, so we got the suck, we got the faster time, and we got the slow
time near the suck. Now we've got ourselves a black hole, congrats. Give it volume. why? Cause I don't give a damn what the universe says, that
singularity is going to have bloody volume! but you can't! do it anyway! ok fine, here. You have a point mass with volume, everyone clap at your
little freak of the universe, now explain how a pointmass can have volume. Cause I says so. fine, it has volume. Wait a tic! does the volume have a
core? well it has volume, so yea, duh. MAKE IT HOLLOW! HOLY CRAP, HOLLOW EVENT HORIZON = FORWARD TIME MACHINE! now what? do something with the
ergosphere! what? I don't know, blow it up. blow up space time? yea sure, why not. Na, that does noting... INVERT IT! k, you know have an event
horizon around an ergosphere.... how ? Cause I can. Ok.... Well how? Because spinning lots of mass makes one, and newton's shell theorem allows it.
Newton's what? NEWTON'S SHELL THEOREM! GRAVITY WITH A HOLLOW CORE MAKES 0 GRAVITY! o...k... Make it a cylinder. why? give it more dimensions, make
it a cylinder, not a sphere. Ok, now how are you going to prevent a rotating hollow black hole from sucking up the earth. Antimatter! what? blow it up
when you don't need it. Ok, so now we have a cylin-ELECTRIFY IT! what? cylinder electric, antimatter negative, another cylinder inside electric.
rotate it. HOLY CRAP, WARP DRIVE! By having a rotating cylinder mass (superfluid antimatter) spin while electrically compressed, it will form a
borderline hollow black hole, which will generate an inverted ergosphere within, thus canceling out gravity and allowing people inside the 0 gravity
zone to go faster than light because information cannot breach the event horizon to tell the ergo sphere to slow down, and relativity wise, the
ergosphere pushes the event horizion faster then light!
enjoy it? That's my brain. my brain makes up stuff fay and night. with nothing to base it off of. I didn't even know about newton's shell theorem.
I made it up, then later on called it that when I realized it was real. Graviton to electric converter to power a quantum tunneling device via
unentangling entangled particles, and sending through the quantum tunnel photons to keep it open and make a portal? oh yea, I just did that. The fact
is that my brain makes up random crap, with no reason, and pops it out on the daily. How a bout a species born on a low gravity, high atmosphere
planet that has lungs on its tongue and runs to breathe without wasting energy? my brain can make it.
Sorry, humans are creative like that.
Oh, don't get why humans suddenly needed more then they require to survive? ask the US, that consumes WAY more than its fair share of resources. Why
do all nations that are wealthy suddenly grow fat and lazy? Why is it that humans suck at resource management? because once we have what we need, we
instinctively as a species assume we can eat that much for ever. we as individuals know the consequences, but that doesn't stop what everyone else
does.
reply to post by Bobbox1980
That's too close minded. you assume that painting, the human method, is the means to express ones self for all species. A dolphin can draw in sand on
the ocean floor, use tools with it's mouth, etc etc. AN elephant has fruit and a wall. Understand that assuming an animal wants hands and legs goes
hand in hand with humans wanting to make everything like themselves, rather then accept things for what they are and helping them develop along their
own path by being a Shepard to prevent their extinction.
And I said animals can never look like us, but they may become mentally equal to us in time. Assuming they want to be like us is another problem. If
you give an elephant or dolphin arms and legs, it is no longer a dolphin or an elephant. It loses what makes it it's own cultural future and entity.
It becomes nothing more then a debtor to humanity. And religiously, consider this. Elephants and dolphins seem so innocent, as if they didn't "eat
of the tree of knowledge" or something like that. Do you want to curse them with the same human faults? why not let them make their own history, and
simply help them along the way. What happens if we meet aliens out there who are floating brains that can use tails to do things. They would greatly
benefit from a human body, but doing that eliminates and ability for the species to take pride in who it is. It's just another potential slave for
some future conqueror. Perhaps letting them become their own great species is the better path. One can help, but forcing one's own form onto others
is nothing short of imperialism, eugenics, and racism. Protecting species from extinction, and helping them to remain an entity in and of themselves
is the right path. Give them the tools to succeed, like survival and protection from 'survival of the fittest", but don't make them yourself.
[edit on 4-1-2010 by Gorman91]
and he didn't. 
