reply to post by vasaga
Human innovation and creativity came about because, well, we were lucky. There is physical evidence supporting that humanity's last animal ancestors
were nearly wiped off the face of Earth. Drought, volcano, and meteor. No species could normally survive this, yet we did. No one knows why. But out
of this, came our ability. The reason why dolphins could not have developed this is because A.) they were not in the same geological area, and B.) sea
creatures traditionally get of easy in extinctions. They are not under as much stress. Now more on that in a moment. Back to humans. So you think
there's a chance that aliens taught us? Sorry, but mathematical graphing says otherwise. If there was any sign of intervention, we would not have an
exponential graph of technological development. We would have some kind of wacky graph. The pyramids were build by ramps, found within the pyramids
(not out as some assume). Pyramids are only found along societies in rivers that go north south, where humans see north south river of life, east
west, light to darkness. The Mayan calendar could be easily made with some basic calculus, and calculus is not hard. In fact, you could chart the path
through the galaxy with calc. But that's just a few points. The fact is humans remain special because we should be extinct. We were pushed to the
limit and beyond, and made it out alive. Lucky us.
Now, dolphins. Morality has no correlation to innovation and creativity. Sorry, but being innovative and creative in how to kill people, which humans
have been, shows a clear lacking in morality. What did I say about dolphins before? They got off easy. They are in the sea, where you literally have
full 3d range. Morality could easily develop because their environment is calm, and as such, they are. They have predators, but they can avoid them.
There's a clear ability for a species to have morals if they are in socially bonded communities. Apes are, dolphins are. Hell, along the highway,
don't you always see crows in twos? occasionally fours? it's a social pack. But this is not related to innovation nor creativity. innovation and
creativity have to do with knowing something, and then being able to make it something else. Humans always try to make things. It's this ability to
think beyond what is seen in front of you that makes humans unique. That's why until a species is creative and innovative, it is not anything more
than a very advanced copy paste machine. Worthy of protection? Well you tell me, do you feel sad when you see such noble creatures die? I do. But they
are certainly not worthy of rights, other then to live, simply because we should be interested in having some form of brothers to replace us in the
event of our death.
The fact remains that you have to teach these species how to paint, play, etc. They can't learn it on their own. Elephaunts don't paint abstract
art. They either paint what they see or paint what their told. Now painting what you see is an accomplishment itself, but again, that's just copy
pasting. Early man did it, but they also made abstracts at the same time. Dolphins actively chose not to kill other humans out of moral choice when
trained by navy seals. This too is an accomplishment. But that's nothing short of instinct to not kill higher life forms. And yes, dolphins definably
can tell what's smart and what's not. Look at our two species, we're not that different in appearance. Once a dolphin becomes friends with a man,
it won't kill another man because it thinks it is it's own species. This, however, is simply isntinct not to kill your fellow species.
[edit on 4-1-2010 by Gorman91]