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The Matrix: More than a Movie, It is Reality

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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:48 AM
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Look at many of the movie and book Trilogies, they are heavily encoded with symbolism. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Matrix, Narnia, they all got it. It may not be intentional either, this stuff just happens to find its way into fiction of all sorts. Our imaginations are connected, these stories are part of our collective experiences in the wonders of the Infinite. I wonder if it is coincidence that the beginning of star wars starts out with a factual statement (a long time ago..) Anyway, doesnt really matter, and if it did it probably isnt word for word but an "Outline" of the story. All these this stuff is empty in and of itself, but the Meaning which we ascribe to these stories... might be something to it.

We give the Matrix its power by our Associations with it, mostly subconsciously. Like a frog boiling in water, it happens slowly but effectively. By believing in this reality we create it. This Reality has been taken over by the Matrix. My best deffinition of the Matrix, from my own perspective, is a Collective Conscious entity which exists in the realms higher from ours. Somethign like an octopus, in its "True State" it is One Entity (well what isnt thoough??) with its 8 arms which do all the manipulating in the Physical Realm.

Or to use another analogy.. the Matrix is something like a Tree. It was planted back in the (metaphoric?) Garden of Eden with the initial Catalyst for negativity. We have been feeding this Tree with our energy since then and now it has covered this whole Planet... Remember, the Empire never ended, it has just shifted its mask slightly, put on some new clothes, made itself look "cool" and fit right in without us noticing.. Babylon is still here though its power now subtle as opposed to overt.




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:56 AM
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I could definitely respect that....



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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I-Magi-Nation. I am a magician nation. Imagination is key to creating your reality. Whatever we can imagine we can manifest, but we need to believe. It's time to take back our power.

I think Star Wars is one of the most spiritually important films of all time, right at the end Luke teaches us a very important message about how the light can overcome the dark. In new age circles it is believed that star wars was channeled from a real event which occured in the orion costellation somewhere. Regardless there are many spiritual truths in this film.



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by 13arrows
so are you saying our spirits are all just in a human body purely for the experience of a physical constraint?


Spot on!! We are spiritual beings having a material experience. Death is nothing more than a new beginning.
I found this link and thought it worth a read- 2012time2growup.ning.com...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:13 AM
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i found this link and thought it worth a read- 2012time2growup.ning.com...



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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Spam? all over? thanks!

"Have You Got The Minerals?" Sure!

It's about Tesla and Jesus and the 13 bloodlines of the ‘Illuminati’ ? Comeon!!!!?


[edit on 7-1-2010 by cushycrux]



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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A good example of someone who is fully unplugged from the matrix is Eckhart Tolle. Check him out on google video.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Another great movie that was written to open everyone up to the evils of our world was "V for Vendetta". Take out the hero and heroine, and focus on the elements of government coverups, media controlling of masses, governments killing their own for pharamceutical profits, secret dictatorship under the disguise of democracy.

Phenomenal! Even the CCTV surveillance of Britains civilians was right on the mark of reality. V for Vendetta is a fiction movie, but take out the hero and heroine, and the movie becomes a documentary.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by Unleashed68]



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
the problem as i see it, is that you are saying our reality is somehow different from what we now percieve with our senses...without getting into symantics...this IS the reality that we live in...if you have a different reality, we, as other people, need proof that involve the workings of OUR reality based senses. if you cannot provide any, then the movie "matrix" is just a movie.


Well, I have to say the o.p. hit the nail on the head as far as his description of "my" reality goes. And if you watch the videos that are included in the post just before yours, I think you'll find that through extrapolation, the science being described also supports the o.p.'s view of things.

All of which begs the question, what kind of reality are you living in? What do your "reality-based senses" tell you about the world?

And i do believe that the o.p. is not claiming that the movie the Matrix is anything more than just a movie, he's simply saying that there is a message in there, a subtext, that mirrors this condition that exists in the larger universe.



posted on Jan, 8 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by YouAreDreaming
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@Rockstar - Yes the movie the Matrix is precicely a movie. It is based on the "brain in the vat" philosophy. This philosophy is derived from other historic texts such as the early Gnostics with the "Black Iron Prison" of the Demigurge and "Maya" from anchient Hinduism.

The concept that we exist in a fabricated and intelligently designed reality system, a matrix has it's roots in some of the earlies religions and philosophies far exceeding the Matrix spin where it's a computer world generated by machines.

In cognitive sciences, with leading researchers like Dr. Thomas Cambbell a physicist who has modelled out the very nature of digital reality. One can argue that we are indeed living in a Matrix system, and reality is indeed digital in nature.

It may not be the Matrix Neo lived in, but that metaphor fits in with Reality modelled and created by consciousness. I do enjoy Morpheus's speach with Neo:

"Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world? "

[edit on 5-1-2010 by YouAreDreaming]


I have to disagree with your assessment that reality is digital in nature. Reality is a continuous wave function, i.e. reality is analog. Digital representation is a calculus, it is a "sample" of the continuous wave function at a specific frequency. Therefore, it can only estimate its reproduction of reality, but of course the higher the frequency of the sample, the better the representation is.

Once you get the frequency to be faster than human senses can perceive, you create the illusion of a continuous reproduction, but that reproduction is still only that: an illusion. The fact that the reproduction can be disassembled into its constituent packets for copying, transportation/broadcast, or storage proves that it is not a continuous wave function; in other words, it is not real. Such a reproduction can only be experienced through the medium of an analog interface.

Although a computer is said to be digital, the computer itself is actually an analog device, it processes information that is recorded digitally and allows that binary data to be experienced. "Digital cameras" are the same: the device is analog, the pictures are recorded as digitized information. This is why a digital photograph will show artifacts like pixelation under certain circumstances. Of course, film also shows its granularity under high magnification, but this is a similar, but significantly different, shortcoming.

[edited for grammar by without_prejudice]

[edit on 1/8/10 by without_prejudice]



posted on Jan, 9 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by daddio

abundanthope.net...


and

abundanthope.net...


I think you need to read these two articles, good info...

...sanchoearlyjones had several posts on this subject of just saying no, he has not been on ATS for some time after that. I have PM him and U2U'd him to no avail. He may have been taken out of the picture, I don't know. Others have also disappeared from this site, some of us have tried to make contact with them but to no avail. WTF?

There's your conspiracy.


If your intention is to creep people out as they make a post, it certainly was effective. But I guess anyone can be disappeared these days. Damned terrorists.

I read the story at the first of the two links you mentioned, and wow! Very impressive compendium of the current logic behind the Sovereignty movement. I am very impressed with the ingenuity on how to dismiss a statutory prosecution, but I'll wager that this is a theory and not a practice. The American history lesson was fascinating, although all of the allegations about who did what and why are lacking in references. Still, I imagine that the way this "judge" tells the tale is the way it went down. Everyone on this thread should read the first link, not only for its use of the same "Matrix" metaphor to explain our diverse and contradictory American history, but also to become familiar with one of the more popular myth-notions about how and why the NWO control grid is being erected around us, and how long its plans have been in the works.

(I haven't read the second link yet.)

If it did go down the way the "judge" tells it, I think there was yet another reason behind the plan: by creating this debt mill, they could re-value all of the currencies of Europe, which had been bankrupted by the Bauer/Rothschild Banks over the previous two centuries. In fact, if you could find the records of how much US currency has been printed and where the deposits actually were made, you would find that for the entire history of the United States the majority of its currency has not been distributed within its borders, but rather has been shipped overseas to foreign banks. The United States, appearing as an independent nation with an independent and precious metal-backed currency was used to revive banks in bankrupt nations whose currency was then about as valuable as ours is now. Fresh deposits in a new, valuable foreign currency meant new loans that could be given, new infrastructure and commercial enterprises that could be commenced.

Just because I happen to agree with the conclusions drawn, though, doesn't make them true. There are no references to back up any of this, other than the court cases cited. I have read much of what he presents before, but that doesn't make it true, either. Without authoritative references to back up his claims, any ballsy high school history buff could rebut him and cite a hundred corporate-written non-fiction works and claim victory.

For the record, my theory of how American currency was used to rejuvenate foreign banks is only that, a theory. It's unreferenced because i have drawn these conclusions from mostly unreferenced material. It's just my knee-jerk instinct to what I've read.

It is interesting to compare the "judge" story to the o.p. The original concept stated was that our true, higher selves (spirits) are plugged into physical reality and this imprisons us into a Matrix of controls that we not only agree to, but require for our physical bodies to operate. The "judge" (name hidden to protect him--c'mon now!) then details the specifics of how these controls operate on the level of politics and economy and suggests ways to allow us to be closer to those higher selves in thought and deed. I'd be very interested in knowing if anyone has used these theories successfully.

[edit on 1/9/10 by without_prejudice]



posted on Jan, 12 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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For more information, a new thread regarding alot of questions can be found here
New Post with Answers to Numerous Questions



posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by DJMSN
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Hmmm..A political action group on acid at the matrix movie. And people wonder whats wrong with American Politics. Lots of stuff but this sort of explains a lot!



hahaha.............I guess I thought by freeing myself i could help free Tibet.

the problem with american politics is the LACK of psychedelics, i think.



posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by redzi0n
I-Magi-Nation. I am a magician nation. Imagination is key to creating your reality. Whatever we can imagine we can manifest, but we need to believe. It's time to take back our power.

I think Star Wars is one of the most spiritually important films of all time, right at the end Luke teaches us a very important message about how the light can overcome the dark. In new age circles it is believed that star wars was channeled from a real event which occured in the orion costellation somewhere. Regardless there are many spiritual truths in this film.



are you sure that's THE truth and not just what you want it to be?
that isnt the truth of Buddhism

manifestation is magic, isnt it? a buddhist would say it is better to give up your old ways than to take up new ones. that's not a typo.

[edit on 15-1-2010 by IandEye]



posted on Jan, 15 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by Unleashed68

Originally posted by Unleashed68

I would like the answer to doing the Neo stuff. I would want to still be here to help people escape from the system, but I would need more abilities to do that. IF this is real.

Please, do tell.


If a child is born in Earth watching others fly, they will fly. The ability to fly is based on firm belief, the beiing can not achieve what it believes is impossible, yet the act of flying is nothing in comparison to creating a human body from nothingness. If you know humans can't fly, you won't, and if you KNOW humans can fly, you will. Sounds simple, but to achieve this belief requires absolute separation from the physical illusion. That is the border that prevents a human from crossing.

[edit on 3-1-2010 by Unleashed68]


Right on!



posted on Jan, 16 2010 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by yadda333

Originally posted by Unleashed68

The bad news is we have to become unplugged from the Earthly Matrix to get there and experience a world without the system and agents; and to unplug, literally means removing the spirit from captivity of attachment to the human body.



I think some clarification is needed.

Escape from the Matrix requires unplugging. To unplug, we must remove our spirit from our earth body.

So we have established that we must remove our spirit from our body, but how exactly do you do that? The only thing that comes to my mind is death. Meditation maybe?

I think meditation doesn't count though. I mean, we're talking about entering another existence completely.
((snip))


It's not a secret, the ancients / tribal wise men have known for a long time.

Unplug?... Look into '___' and or ayahuasca.. AKA "the spirit molecule"... meeting "the elves" will not only blow your mind, but quite possibly indelibly change your outlook on life for the better. If there was any experience TPTB want hidden from the masses, it's this.
It is illegal most places in the US, however there are specific so called 'exotic' vacations to cent / so american countries that end with a bowl of totally legal local brewed ayahuasca tea (that tastes like dirt, butt & poo and will make you puke).

I do not recommend anyone who fears a freaky eye opening experience that might challenge everything you thought you knew to go anywhere near a ayahuasca vacation..

Isn't whatever color pill neo took a metaphorical ayahuasca experience anyway?



posted on Jan, 22 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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Ehh... its interesting and I sort of see your point and there could very well be a matrix hidden from us.. and that there are other dimensions that lead to other realities. Well, the point i'm trying to make is that this is a matrix and that there are other realities we can go to through different means. But the movie and stuff like that i don't exactly go for. But nice article anyway



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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what you are saying is poison

you are telling people the only way to get everlasting joy is to kill them self

i'm amazed this thread hasn't been deleted.



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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The Actual Plan for the Matrix: Incommensurability, Harmonic Resonance, and the Religion of Technology

by Drew Hempel, M.A.

The below summary of crucial information is thus far almost completely unknown to the public at large.

1) I discovered that my concept of sound-current nondualism (see my Masters Thesis, "Epicenters of Justice") was already developed by the Philosophy of Science Professor Oliver L. Reiser. Professor Reiser's Ph.D. was on nondualism and he then published a early concept of the superstring theory and its applications to social society called "World Philosophy." (1945) Einstein praised this work as the best example of a unified field theory. In 1965 Reiser published his manifesto called "Cosmic Humanism" inspired by Einstein's work. Harmonic resonance is the foundation of this work through the application of the "Music Logarithmic Spiral."

2) Reiser's book "Cosmic Humanism" was held in the highest esteem by a think tank called the "Institute for Integrative Education." This think tank was set up by a Forest Products magnate, Julius Stulman and its office was then located at the UN Plaza. It's Board of Directors included the family that directed the nondualist Theosophist Society and it also included scientists from Harvard and Yale. The goal of this Institute, as spelled out in their flagship academic journal, "Main Currents in Modern Thought" (1940-1975) was to review all prominent academic journals and integrate all knowledge to the goals of nondualist theosophy. With this in mind the journal had a very advanced interest in eastern philosophy, paranormal research, eugenics, higher dimensional physics and social engineering.

3) In 1936, Dr. Reiser, introduced and promoted the concept of "radio-eugenics" in the scientific Journal of Heredity. This entails applications of radiation for evolution. In 1945 Dr. Reiser was impressed by think tank founder Julius Stulman's article called "Applied Energy to Social Relations." In the 1965 publication of "Cosmic Humanism" that is highly praised by Stulman's Institute for Integrative Education, the concept of radio-eugenics is promoted in synthesis with the concept of nondual harmonic resonance. Dr. Reiser states that we learned from Hiroshima and Nagasaki that not only does radiation cause massive destruction but that even those who survive "the baptism by fire" have children with severe birth defects. He then states that unfortunately that is how evolution works and that hopefully with the proper applied harmonic resonance of radiation then a new human society and a new "World Sensorium" will be achieved. The "World Sensorium" of Dr. Reiser is based on utilizing the radiation of the ionosphere, amplifying it with high technology, and applying it globally to cause mutations. The effect is to achieve not only a higher dimensional reality but to harness the zero-point energy.

4) In 1965 Julius Stulman founder of the Institute for Integrative Education, with the recommendation of the UN Technical Administrator, sets up the World Institute, in collaboration with the Insititute for Advanced Studies at Princeton. The World Institute is to oversee the direction of technology for the globe and it advises with presidents worldwide. Meanwhile Dr. Reiser's work is published in the Sri Aurobindo Ashram newsletter and Sri Aurobindo's students propose that the future body of humanity will be radioactive (Letters on Yoga III). The Music Logarithmic Spiral is published in the journal "Darshana International."

5) In 1975 Dr. Reiser publishes "Cosmic Humanism and World Unity" (Gordon and Beech) as part of a series for the World Institute. This book calls the plan for the World Sensorium, "The Matrix" several times and states that, in concept, it is closest to H.G. Well's 1936 proposal for a "World Brain" to the Freemasonic Royal Institute for International Affairs the source for the Council of Foreign Relations. H.G. Wells was not just a science fiction writer, he was the head of British secret intelligence during World War One and he was the mouthpiece for the global elite policy makers. The World Brain was inspired by the NeoPlatonitic concept of the Matrix outlined by Professor John Ruskin, a favorite source of inspiration for the Royal Institute of International Affairs.

6) Dr. Reiser states that his main collaborator in creating "the Matrix" is Dr. Andrija Puharich. Dr. Puharich has been recently exposed as a top CIA funded mind control scientist focusing on higher dimensions and a high level Theosophist by Dr. Jacque Vallee (1974) and by Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett (1998). Both Puharich and Reiser called for the creation for a new techno-spirituality global religion. Dr. Puharich called the plan for the Matrix, "Psi-Plasma." He described the NeoPlatonic Harmony of the Spheres that, as elaborated by Reiser, includes artificial intelligence, zero-point energy, techno-samadhi, biological holograms, plasma and lasers, galatic manipulation of higher dimensions. Dr. Reiser explictly describes the evolution of the Matrix by stating that the Earth is an egg and in the egg is an embryo. The embryo feeds off the humans, animals and plants, as the ectoderm and entoderm of the egg, in order to create the new World Mother or the Matrix, the Sub-Stance or Psi-Plasma of Nondualism. Again unfortunately, according to this plan, most of humanity and the environment are seen as necessary costs to developing the next level of evolution.

7) Dr. Puharich was the main promoter of an elite nondualist secret society based on the Council of Nine -- a higher dimensional ennead that are considered to be aspects of the Nondual God and to be sources of higher intelligence. This Council of Nine is traced back to ancient India and ancient Egypt (see Prince and Picknett's "The Stargate Conspiracy" and Jacque Bergier's "Morning of the Magicians"). Central to the Council of Nine's secret knowledge is the connection between music theory, geometry, algebra and higher dimensional reality. As documented in "The Stargate Conspiracy," many prominent policy makers and society elite have been part of the promotion of the secret Council of Nine, including Gene Rodenberry, Al Gore, and Senator Clairborne Pell.



posted on Jan, 25 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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8) Through the Theosophist academic think tanks, several Professors have published research into the secret origins of this harmonic resonance higher dimensional knowledge, most prominently Eric Temple Bell, Johns Hopkins Chemist C. H. Andrews book "The Symphony of Life," and musicology Professor Ernest McClain. There are many others, including a Harvard geologist, a Yale physicist, and a Berkeley mathematics Professor, Dr. Abraham
Seidenberg. Seidenberg has been given prominent attention in recent Advaita Vedanta research because he documents the origins of the Pythagorean Theorem as far back as 3,000 B.C. in Vedic India. In several essays in prominent academic journals, Seidenberg states that the concept of incommensurability or paradox of the infinite, was established worldwide through human sacrifice altar rituals that maintained creation through the cosmic separation of heaven and earth. (Note versus the union of heaven and earth by humanity -- the explicit goal of Taoist harmonics and OM nondualism).

9) The prominence of music theory in the issue of incommensurability and paradoxes of the infinite has been confirmed to me by recent correspondence with Mathematics Professor Luigi Borzacchini (University of Bari, Italy). Still unpublished, his paper, "Incommensurability, Music and Continuum: A cognitive approach" documents that a radical transformation occurred in science and philosophy with Plato and his colleague, the military general and mechanical engineer Archytas. Plato and Archytas were worshippers of Dionysus, the horned god of the underworld and chaos. The equivalent of Dionysus in Egypt is Set, a parallel to the forces of disruption or Satan in Judaism. The essential aspect of Plato's philosophy was the limitation of the Infinite Cosmic Mother into the finite geometrical Grand Architect or Great Geometrician of the Universe. This involved a conscious corruption of Pythagorean shamanic-yoga based on complimentary opposites of infinite natural harmonics (Pythagoras' 1:2:3:4 is equivalent to OM and yin/yang). The link between Freemasonry and Theosophy is well-documented in "The Stargate Conspiracy." Many new age gurus have been linked to the CIA and to these theosophist think tanks, included Drunvalo Melchizadek and Jose Arguelles who is the main promoter of Dr. Reiser's views.

10) The method of the Matrix is containment of the threatening natural resonance of the Cosmic Mother, then destruction, then standardization through dead artificial intelligence. The first example of this religion of technology is the creation of the square root of two. As the University of Nebraska Philosophy Professors, P. Hugly and C. Sayward point out in their essay "Did the Greeks Discover the Irrational" (1999), there is no actual proof for the square root of two! It is an illusion and a deceptive charm of "the power set axiom." The first proof that approximated the square root of two was the "squaring of the circle." The Vedic priests, as far back as 3,000 B.C., demanded that altars be patriarchal squares, and that matriarchal female circles were heretical. If circle altars were built they had to be the same area as the squares. (Dr. Seidenberg, "The Ritual Origins of Geometry"). The squaring of the circle is a central theorem to the Freemasons. The second proof that necessitated the containment of the Cosmic Mother was the doubling of the cubical altar. The gods stated, as far back as 3,000 B.C., that a plague could only be stopped unless this was mathematically achieved.

11) Archytas, the military general collaborator with Plato, faced the same Demonic Altar Plague problem as occurred in 3,000 B.C. Many scholars have written about the connections between ancient India and Greece, explicitly regarding Archytas. By combining the Pythagorean harmonic proportions with the geometry of India, Archytas was able to give a proof for the square root of two, that also enabled standarization or equal-temperment of the octave music scale. In otherwords this proof extended the Yin/Yang, OM, Pythagorean harmonics into greater dissonance by containing the infinite to a three dimensional object of geometry. The result enabled analytic geometry and inverse proportions, central to western science, to be achieved. Unfortunately the technology is inherently against the natural harmonics of reality. This is why equal-tempered tuning, although conceived in ancient China, was not allowed for the society as a whole. Also in ancient China it was remarked that those who know the 3:4:5 triangle, based on the Golden Section and the Major Third music interval, could rule the world. Any supposed "sacred geometry" that is based on the square root of two is really just a promotion of destructive techno-spirituality.

12) In my research I was able to reconstruct the secret proof of Archytas, that enabled the creation of western science from music theory. Professor Bozacchini also has discovered this connection. The retired Boston University geophysicst Gerald Hawkins discovered this secret theorem as well in his research of crop circles. Also John Worrell Keely apparently developed higher dimensional harmonic resonance technology based on the 3:4:5 triangle. Keely's harmonic resonance findings that demonstrated levitation, disintegration, energy generation, etc., funded by the richest man in the U.S. at that time, Jacob Astor, were concealed apparently by the Freemasonic Skull and Bones society according to a recent book by Theo Paijmans. George Bush, Sr. former CIA director, is a member of the Skull and Bones Society. The 3:4:5 triangle is the basis of the logarithmic music spiral that will be used to create the Matrix, according to the Theosophists and the CIA.

13) Continually throughout the research of the Theosophist analysts, it is clear that their goals can only be achieved by nondual mind-body yoga. Instead they are pursuing this goal through destructive technology and as both Sri Aurobindo and Swami Yukteswar both pointed out, nondualism can never be achieved through technology. Therefore the plan for the Matrix, although it may destroy the planet, will never be successful. Always-already the Cosmic Mother will be waiting to embrace those who practice shamanic-yoga nonduality. The conscious suppression of shamanic-yoga nondualism by Western Civilization, is documented by Oxford scholar Dr. Peter Kingsley in his recent book, "In the Dark Places of Wisdom."

14) Recent plans by the current U.S. administration include microchipping the whole population, called "the Bioweapons Defense Shield" by the HHW Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies. FEMA is designing new emergency detention centers to be located outside all major cities -- possible to be used for "techno-samadhi" Matrix states. NASA has advanced brain scanners to be introduced. Laser and plasma weapons will be featured in the next
destruction of Iraq. Project HAARP plans to test, at full power, a vast electro-magnetic ionosophere spectrum through attennae in Alaska, Greenland and Norway. The Russian duma has warned that it could potentially destroy current near-Earth technologies.

OM Mani Padme Hum



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