The earth is growing

After you've watched the film. Take some time and concider this: The universe is expanding, that's a fact, hence, the negative pressure inside it is building up, since the universe is basically made out of nothing, or vacuume. What happens if you throw something into a vacuume? It grows, and the gravitation forces grow accordingly within the material you throw in. You can see something oof the same with super fluids at around zero Kelvin, they aquire strange gravitation defying properties, and can "walk through" walls etc. About 60 million years ago, when mew sea floor for real is starting to show up, ie. the Earth has nearly doubled it's size since then if you collect data from the seabeds and put it all together, however, 60 million years ago the dinosaurs suddenly died out. Why? Because of what I just said. Since the negative pressure of the universe around us makes the Earth and everything in it bigger, which again will accelerate the expansipon of the universe until it finally collapses, and finally implodes, the huge dinosaurs could no longer live under their own weight. A T-Rex would have collapsed today, just by it's own weight. Hey, even the elefants suffer today, and only in the sea, where water reduce the gravitation forces since it's not a solid matter, but a fluid, and can easier adapt to gravity, besides, water is made up of two gasses, which together forms a molecule which is denser and heavier than either one, so that huge things like blue whales can live there. Water is by the way a strange substance, which expands when it gets colder among other things. Put the whale up on land, and they collapse. Bones break and they can't live long, are unable to move and so on.....

Well, anyway, guys, this is something you should concider and question, for suddenly NASA is in a hurry to make Mars inhabitable, and manned missions to the Moon is being planned all over the world. Even by countries like India and China. Perhaps they know what's going on? Delete "perhaps" and replace the question mark with a period in that sentance, and it's more like it. The bible tells us about elect people being taken up to heaven, and it speeks of a "New planet under a new sky", or "a New heaven and a new earth". Guess we've known for quite a while.... Anyone in need of an angel with a spaceship? Would come in handy the next couple of ages I suppose....

PS: Edited some rather important things in this post, so please read up....

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i have always thought of Pangia as science fact but i guess it is still theory.

Would this explain the growing problem of obesity these days ?

Somebody needs to tell Burgerking/MacDonalds they are not to blame after all.

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I have said that the Earth and gravity on Earth is growing for over a decade, and when I came uppon this film on Youtube, I finally found something supporting this theory, and this theory presented in this film, is THE most plausible explanation I have ever seen, read or heared, explaining continental drift, why dinosaurs died out (although it says nothing of the sort) and why we see things like global warming, and more and more volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. Since the earth is growing like a teen.... Ask yourself: What is the largest land-predator on earth today, and why are they relatively small compared to their vegetarian cousins? This has to do with speed and proportions. Mix a tiger and a lion and you get a liger. A huge thing about twise the size of a grown tiger. It's too frekkin' big! It is unable to hunt, and only exist in captivity, and needs to be trained by huimans just to walk around normally.

Ok.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
After you've watched the film. Take some tyime and concider this: The universe is expanding, hence, the negative pressure is building up, since the universe is basically made out of vacuume. What happens if you throw something into a vacuume? It grows, and the gravitation forces grow accordingly within the material you throw in.

Negative pressure is not building up because the universe is expanding. The universe is expanding because of something like positive pressure within it, this pressure is a function of the cosmological constant, and is caused by dark energy. The universe is being pushed apart by a positive force within it.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, when you throw something into a vacuum, the vacuum exerts negative pressure on it which would cause it to expand. However, gravity draws mass together. The reason that planets and other objects in the universe don't get ripped apart in the vacuum is because the gravity holding them together is much stronger than the vacuum pulling them apart. How do you think they formed? Why do you think the atmosphere isn't immediately ripped off the earth? The answer is gravity. Also, you seem to be implying that when something expands in a vacuum its gravity "grows accordingly." No. Gravity is a function of energy density, and in normal cases that means matter and mass. When something expands in a vacuum its mass does not increase, and therefore its gravity does not increase. It spreads out, increasing volume and decreasing in density.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
60 million years ago, the dinosaurs suddenly died out. Why? Because of what I just said. Since the negative pressure of the universe around us makes the Earth bigger, and no longer could the huge dinosaurs live under their own weight. A T-Rex would have collapsed today, just by it's own weight. Hey, even the elefants suffer today

Dinosaurs didn't die out because they were too heavy. There is physical evidence to support the mainstream theories of dinosaur extinction, namely meteor impact and climate change combined with already stressed food chains. There is no physical evidence to suggest that they got too heavy. "Bones break and they can't live long, are unable to move and so on..... " If all the fossils that were being discovered all had broken bones you might be able to begin to make a case, but they don't. Also, what about the small dinosaurs? They also went extinct. Furthermore, the "elefants" are not suffering.

en.wikipedia.org...

As for the video, just insisting that all that stuff is true is not quite enough to refute the countless pieces of phyical evidence and bodies of work published by professionals based on that evidence. This person provides no evidence except for computer animations, which he made, that supposedly show how well the land masses fit together. That's not how science works, you have to provide evidence, and a lot of it, becase there is a ton of evidence against what he is saying. Every observation that he makes can be accounted for by mainstream geological theory.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

The rediculousness of his thinking is made clear in the end when he claims that if you don't agree with him, then you must think what the ancients think: that the earth is the center of the universe. He also claims that if earth is expanding all planets MUST be expanding in exactly the same way. There is no reason to think that earth is expanding, and even if there was there would be no reason to think that the geology of all planets is identical.

This is nonsense.

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Originally posted by OnceReturned
Negative pressure is not building up because the universe is expanding. The universe is expanding because of something like positive pressure within it, this pressure is a function of the cosmological constant, and is caused by dark energy. The universe is being pushed apart by a positive force within it.

Tell that to the russian cosmonaut who experienced this 101 when he tried to enter MIR after a spacewalk, or when NAZI Germany simulated space and height by putting Jews and Gypsies in pressure chambers. Get real. Wikipedia is hardly a good source for explaining stuff the PTB guard like crown jewels. Space is expanding and space is in a vacuume. Period. Take a spacewalk without a space suit, you'd look like the dudes from Rosswell. Period. Look at a diver coming to surface without equalising pressure from 500 meters depth. He explodes. Period. Or are you an expert in gravitational dynamics since you are so determined and use "such good and reliable sources"?

Gravity is related to size, not weight. Newton even explained it long ago. Density change won't change the weight of anything, but if density decrease, mass will change, however, this relative change in mass, will not change the weight of the atoms in that body, but the size will change. Heat something, and it defies gravity, weather is based on this, due to density change, however, the total gravity on Earth will rise, due to how the atmosphere is actually growing when you heat it up, and the positive pressure in the same atmosphere rises and the Earth itself expands.

If that was indeed true then earth at one time must have been all water covered right?

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Not nessasarily, the water may have come from outer space like science has been theorising since science erupted a couple of centuries ago. According to the Bible, the water came down to Earth from Sjamajim, Heaven, and turned into Majim the waters of the oceans, during the Flood.... However this has happened many times back and forth. In the Creation The Earth was covered in Majim, Waters, which evaporised when god said Light!. The first couple of verses of Genesis, explains E=mc^2, and like today, God used water, the universal compound needed for life as we know it, and which now covers about 2/3rds of the Earth's surface.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Tell that to the russian cosmonaut who experienced this 101 when he tried to enter MIR after a spacewalk, or when NAZI Germany simulated space and height by putting Jews and Gypsies in pressure chambers. Get real.

The atmospheric pressure on earth at sea level is much greater than that in space. The pressure in space suits simulates atmospheric pressure, therefore it is also much greater than that in space. As you go higher and higher the pressure decreases, as it approaches the extremely low pressure of space. That is why high altitude, and high altitude simulations, have the effect that they do. As you go below sea level, especially under water, the pressure increases. That is why coming up from depth without acclimating causes death.

I didn't say that the pressure of space was higher than atmospheric pressure on earth at sea level, I just said it's not negative and that the universe is expanding because of something like positive pressure within it.

Human beings live at atmospheric pressure, and die in pressure much lower than that, which is why we need pressurized space suits.

But this issue is incidental to your initial argument and my responce. You suggested that the vacuum of space is such that it is causing the earth to expand. This is patently false. The gravity of the earth(caused by its mass) holds it together. In fact, the gravity of earth is what is responsible for atmospheric pressure in the first place. The gravity pulls the atmosphere down on the earth, causing pressure. The earth started out(billions of years ago) as dust and rocks floating through space, which came together due to gravitational effects. If the vacuum of space was powerful enough to pull the earth in the way that you are suggesting, the earth would never have formed the way that it did. Why was it ever as small as it was in the first place(according to your theory)? Shouldn't it have never gotten that small, because it was being pulled apart by the vacuum since the begining? Also, if the vacuum is strong enough to pull the earth apart, wouldn't it disperse the atmosphere long before it started expanding rock?

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Wikipedia is hardly a good source for explaining stuff the PTB guard like crown jewels. ... Or are you an expert in gravitational dynamics since you are so determined and use "such good and reliable sources"?

I don't know why you put "such good and reliable sources" in quotes. Who are you quoting?

As for using wikipedia... The more mainstream an issue the better/more reliable its wikipedia article. The articles I linked were obviously well researched and written by experts. And yes you could go write a wikipedia article on whatever you want and it might not be true, but that doesn't mean that the articles I linked were false. Did you read them? They sight their sources extensively. However, for the sake of this discussion, I'll give you more sources.

The cosmological constant and dark energy:
relativity.livingreviews.org...
rmp.aps.org...

On the expanding universe:
books.google.com...=onepage&q=&f=false
arxiv.org...

A simple explanation of gravity:
science.howstuffworks.com...

Most of the sources used in the wikipedia articles I linked originally are good; published academic papers and books written by university professors. I encourage you to at least skim the wiki articles and then check out their sources.

If you want to talk about a conspiracy in mainstream science which would render all of these sources suspect we can do that, but that's a different issue entirely.

Originally posted by OnceReturned
As you go higher and higher the pressure decreases, as it approaches the extremely low pressure of space.

Didn't you just say that the Universe was expanding since there was such high pressure up there? The pressure of space is infact negative, and the expansion of the universe is not due to pressure, but something called accelerating and moving dark matter, making the overall pressure of space to be continuously decreasing. Niob anyone? Since you're such an expert, tell us all what happens when mass explodes. Tell us about the winds and pressures involved, and explain it, don't trench it by drowning us in sunreliable sources.

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Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Gravity is related to size, not weight. Newton even explained it long ago. Density change won't change the weight of anything, but if density decrease, mass will change, however, this relative change in mass, will not change the weight of the atoms in that body, but the size will change. Heat something, and it defies gravity, weather is based on this, due to density change, however, the total gravity on Earth will rise, due to how the atmosphere is actually growing when you heat it up, and the positive pressure in the same atmosphere rises and the Earth itself expands.

That isn't right. Look at any basic physics text, or even just google any of this stuff. At this point you're way off.

Mass determines weight, weight is force due to gravity(thats why you weigh less on the moon). Mass is a measure of energy density by e=mc^2. Energy density is what causes the deformation of spacetime which is responsible for gravitational effects. This stuff is at the foundation of modern physics.

Originally posted by OnceReturned

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Gravity is related to size, not weight. Newton even explained it long ago. Density change won't change the weight of anything, but if density decrease, mass will change, however, this relative change in mass, will not change the weight of the atoms in that body, but the size will change. Heat something, and it defies gravity, weather is based on this, due to density change, however, the total gravity on Earth will rise, due to how the atmosphere is actually growing when you heat it up, and the positive pressure in the same atmosphere rises and the Earth itself expands.

That isn't right. Look at any basic physics text, or even just google any of this stuff. At this point you're way off.

Mass determines weight, weight is force due to gravity(thats why you weigh less on the moon). Mass is a measure of energy density by e=mc^2. Energy density is what causes the deformation of spacetime which is responsible for gravitational effects. This stuff is at the foundation of modern physics.

Hehe. What is the mass of lead compared to lithium? When you heat them up, what happens to mass? E=mc^2 explains this in a very simplistic way, but still, mass is relative, and weight and mass is related, but still relative compared. Mass is more than anything defined by size, not weight. Or to quote your favorite source, Wikipedia on Mass,

mass (from Ancient Greek: μᾶζα) commonly refers to any of three properties of matter, which have been shown experimentally to be equivalent: inertial mass, active gravitational mass and passive gravitational mass. In everyday usage, mass is often taken to mean weight, but in scientific use, they refer to different properties.

A body with a certain weight and a certain mass under a certain enclosed gravitational and pressured system, is relative due to the gravity and pressure, the acceleration and many other properties. If I punch you in the face, my hand is hheavier when it hits your face than it would be hanging down by my side. Rocky IV showed this in a very simple way.

Isn't this Earth expansion theory something from comic book artist Neal Adams?

Every scientist and geologist whose bothered to look at it knows it's a whackjob theory that conflicts with all known data, astronomy, laws of gravity, physics, the geological record, etc.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Didn't you just say that the Universe was expanding since there was such high pressure up there? The pressure of space is infact negative, and the expansion of the universe is not due to pressure, but something called accelerating and moving dark matter, making the overall pressure of space to be continuously decreasing. Niob anyone? Since you're such an expert, tell us all what happens when mass explodes. Tell us about the winds and pressures involved, and explain it, don't trench it by drowning us in sunreliable sources.

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No, I didn't say that it was because of "such high pressure up there." I'll try to explain without sources, since you don't seem to be in the mood to read them. Even if you don't believe they are reliable, what they say makes sense given some very basic agreed upon ideas about how physics works.

Pressure is defined as force per unit area. Lets think about a balloon being blown up at the surface of the earth, just as an example so we can be on the same page. When you have a balloon, blown up to a certain size, the pressure inside the balloon is equal to the pressure outside the balloon. That is why the balloon is not changing size. The air molecules inside the balloon are moving around. As they bounce off the inside walls of the balloon, the exert an outward pressure(due to their collisions with the inner wall of the balloon). The molecules in the air outside the balloon are also moving around. Again, it is their motion which exerts pressure on the balloon, as the individual molecules collide with the outer wall of the balloon. When the balloon is not changing size, the force from the collisions on the inside of the balloon are equal to the force of the collisions on the outside of the balloon(i'm still talking about individual molecules colliding with the skin of the balloon). When you blow into the balloon and it gets bigger what is happening is this: You are adding air molecules to the inside of the balloon. More molecules means more collisions, which increases the pressure on the inside of the balloon. Once this happens, the pressure on the inside is greater than the pressure on the outside so the balloon expands. As the balloon expands the space inside the balloon increases. More space inside the balloon means more room for the molecules to bounce around in which means less collisions with the outside wall which means less pressure. Therefore, once the balloon expands some, the pressure decreases and is once again equal to the pressure of the atmosphere around the balloon, so it stops expanding. The reverse happens when you let air out of the balloon. So this is how pressure works. Pressure is the force exerted over an area, usually due to mollecular collisions. Things like heat(which causes the particles to move faster) and smaller spaces(which give the paricles less room to bounce around in) cause there to be more collisions, and therefore more pressure.

Pressure is a measure of force. Forces are additive. So, our atmosphere has some given pressure at any altitude, but the reason that the air molecules don't just fly off into space is because the earth's gravity - also a force - is more strong enough to overcome the outward(into space) motion of the air molecules. It is true that the pressure of the air molecules in the earths atmosphere is much greater than the pressure in the vacuum of space, but because everything around earth is being sucked towards earth by gravity, the atmosphere does rapidly dissipate into space(however the atmosphere does dissipate very very slowly into space because occasionally air molecules are moving quickly enough that they overcome gravity). The force of gravity is strong enough to hold the earth and its atmosphere tightly together despite the vacuum of space.

More:

As for the expansion of the universe:

The universe is full of matter. All matter has gravity, and although the force due to gravity decreases exponentially
over distance, its area of effect is infinite. This means that all the planets, stars, solar systems, and galaxies and exerting
a gravitational force on one another, pulling eachother closer. This leads one to believe that eventually, over
a very long time, all the matter of the universe will pull itself together into one black whole and that is how the universe will end.
However, Hubble measured the motion of distant galaxies and found that they are moving away from us and eachother at an accelerating rate.
This means that there is no coming together(Big Crunch) in sight. Scientists have since determined that the vacuum of space, even though
it is devoid of molecules, applies a small positive pressure to everything in space. This pushes the galaxies apart and expands the universe.
The name for the source of this pressure is dark energy, and it is not well understood. A leading theory is even in a perfect vacuum,
subatomic particles pop in and out of existance. These particles act like the molecules in our balloon example and exert a
positive pressure on their surroundings. This effect can be proven to exist at least on the small scale experimentally.
It is known as the Casimir effect. If you bring two surfaces very very close together, they will get pressed together.
The reason for this is that once the space in between them is too small for subatomic particles to pop into existance in.
However, since the space around them is still big enough for the subatomic partles is exist in, they continue to exert their
pressure from the outside, pushing the surfaces together.

The vacuum of space, through dark energy, exerts some force on everything in the universe, pushing it apart, causing the
universe to expand.

reply to post by mmiichael


Well, apparently not. It may conflict governing science, and the body of science is one which is very fond of orthodoxy and is often reactionary in relation to new ideas and thougts. or like William James said back in the 19th century:

"A new idea is first condemned as ridiculous and then dismissed as trivial, until finally, it becomes what everybody knows."

When it comes to the reverse version, dissmissing "aknowledged facts" are almost impossible to go through with. For more than a millennium, the Church proved this. In order to break down a system of thought, you must actually turn over whole civilisations. The fact that few people understand even the basics of any scientific system's foundations, and even fewer are able to express or explain them, makes it almost impossible to change what has already been concidered fact. Carrots won't make you see in the dark, it was a cover story posed by MI5 during the war to conceal the fact that they were developing radar tech. Or take evolution theory, it doesn't even stand the test as a scientific theory, it can't be proven. However these days, genetic engeneering shows us that life as we know it is technology, and like cars have developed from primitive vehicles into spacewagons, life develops in the same way. But since the idea of creator gods conflicts so entirely with the romance of the scientific revolution Darwin was a part of, these pseudo-theories like Evolution and our understanding of gravity and dynamics of space etc. are almost impossible to dismiss, eventhough we have proofs that the only way one can change a species makeup beyond what genetics already governs in itself, ie. turning a species into a new one etc. can only be done with manipulation. And it's been conducted in repeated experiments, still, idiots of the masses refuse to dissmiss their beloved angel-of-Rome's-destruction -- Darwin as nothing but a man with influence who made things happen. Darwin like many other scientists, were more of politicans than scientists, whether knowingly or otherwise.

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
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Well, apparently not. It may conflict governing science, and the body of science is one which is very fond of orthodoxy and is often reactionary in relation to new ideas and thougts. or like William James said back in the 19th century:

"A new idea is first condemned as ridiculous and then dismissed as trivial, until finally, it becomes what everybody knows."

When it comes to the reverse version, dissmissing "aknowledged facts" are almost impossible to go through with. For more than a millennium, the Church proved this.

Yadda yadda yadda. For every breakthrough that confronts orthodox thinking there are 5000 bogus whacko theories.

Galileo was a genius ahead of his time. He made sure his science was consistent with data. Not even up there with disproven Earth formation theories like Catastrophism, Hollow Earth, Ley Lines, Flood Geology.

Neal Adams ain't Galileo. Just another attention seeking guy with a crackpot theory any first year college kid could dismantle in 10 minutes.

He's better at drawing Batman than conclusions.

reply to post by OnceReturned


for your balloon lol. You have proven that you can explain what happens when you blow up a balloon. Using no more than a foot of an ATS page. Hey man. Fill this balloon with water, heat it up, and the water evaporates, and the baloon burts. I haven't added anything other than changing the heat property. You can make this heat chemically too by adding let's say some acid, which rested within the balloon in another balloon, and releasing this acid into the water by opening up the membrane/inner balloon, for instance through corrosion. Releasing this acid into the water inside the balloon would make the water ballistic and it would heat up and evaporate, and the balloon bursts. Everything is relative, my friend. Or let's say I filled the balloon with active chalk or for that matter uranium dust. For nature and chemistry rests uppon a very racist agenda. When certain components mix, the physical properties change. Sometimes a chemical element is ballistic in itself. Take uranium, or heavy uranium or plutonium. It is in itself producing "free energy" in the form of heat, even in it's most stable form. There are so many properties to an element, that physics alone can only monitor and suggest what happens. Sometimes things happen in nature that cannot be explained without using ones imagination and often that even won't be able to explain it. Why does it get dark when a light source dissapears? Well it doesn't always, sometimes, as with phosphor, the element turns into a lightsource itself. And why does a white oven bring more heat than a black one? Etc. Send a thing into space so it still accellerates when it enters empty space, this object will sooner or later turn into pure energy, given no object hits it. Future interstellar travel's greatest problem isn't aquiring the speed needed, it will be stabilising the speed and breaking down.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Yadda yadda yadda. For every breakthrough that confronts orthodox thinking there are 5000 bogus whacko theories.

Galileo was a genius ahead of his time. He made sure his science was consistent with data.

Which became commonly accnowledged hundreds of years later. Yaddayaddayadda. The data of today may be dissmissed tomorrow. Because of among other things like time, mans ingenuety, big bombs and such, how things may have changed, and the data of today are useless. What if Earth stopped spinning due to a huge thing we made from the Moon and brought down to earth turning the Earth into an interstellar spaceship or something? What if we in a couple of thousand years couldn't tell the difference between the Sun and Vega?