Originally posted by halfoldman
In the accepted Old Testament Saul encounters the dead via the "Witch of Endor". Some verses are more specific: Job 4:15, "Then a spirit passed my
face; and the hair of my flesh stood up".
How, why or where does anyone get the message in the Bible that all spirits are "demons"?
Somebody please explain why significant amounts of people believe in aliens and spirits, but only as "demons"?
[edit on 3-1-2010 by halfoldman]
I think its an oversimplification.
You could say the same thing about angels. People run around thinking "angels" all look like humans. Biblically, of the heavenly beings, the
Malakhim or messengers look human. The others look monstrous like the Cherubim or Seraphim. Some look really weird like light orbs (Hashmallim) and
others like gimbals (Ophanim). Compare the last two to weird sightings of things in the sky.
Then you have other people who simplify fallen angels and demons into the same thing. Biblically there are different kinds of unclean spirits. The
unclean part is key. Its not so much as they are evil, its that they are unclean. Something about their nature contaminates, almost like radiation.
Some of these "demons" appear to be the same as some types of cryptids. One of them, the parasitical Ovoth, appears to be what most people think
demons are. Like Malakhim being generic or stereotypical angels, the Ovoth are the "generic" demon. Most people have no idea about all the other
kinds of "demons" and "angels".
Again its oversimplification.
Now some so called "demons", Biblically must be fallen "angels". These are your bound spirits or genius loci. They have been bound for
trangressions. The scapegoat in the Bible was sent out to one, Azazel, on the Day of Atonement. For some reason people have a hard time distinguishing
a bound "angel" which haunts a site, and Ovoth which acts as a parasite to a host.
Its probably oversimplification.
The dead in the Bible are said to sleep till Judgement Day. That throws out most ghost stuff, unless there is anything to restless dead. As far as I
know there is no basis for it in the Bible. We are totally dependent on the Neshmat Hayyim or "Breath of Life" to live. Once it goes we sleep. I
could probably come up with a hypothesis involving restless dead feeding on the "breath" of others, but there is no basis for that in the Bible.
There also is the Ruach, the vital anima or Holy Spirit. I think alot of people are confused by this and its worth a whole thread by itself.
So not all spirits are demons or unclean. Likewise I would say not all things called "aliens" are demons. Some definitely fit the description. If it
lies, starts cults, gives false prophecies, and traumatises people there's a good chance its an unclean spirit or even an angel.
Which brings me to the last bit. Not all angels in the heavens are good or benevolent. Angels don't have to be fallen to be malevolent. In fact
Biblically, especially in Ephesians, malevolent and dark angels do operate out of the heavens. The Powers and principalities are said to be in the
heavens and the Aer, the lesser heaven beneath the Aether.
What does all of this mean? Oversimplification and even worse.....
People don't read.
[edit on 4/1/10 by MikeboydUS]