In the accepted Old Testament Saul encounters the dead via the "Witch of Endor". Some verses are more specific: Job 4:15, "Then a spirit passed my face; and the hair of my flesh stood up".
How, why or where does anyone get the message in the Bible that all spirits are "demons"?
Somebody please explain why significant amounts of people believe in aliens and spirits, but only as "demons"?

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New Testament demons are believed by some to be the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, a half angel-human hybrid born of a sexual union between a fallen angel and a human female.

Being half-angel/half human, upon their death they can neither ascend to heaven nor descend to hell but are trapped in a limbo region between.

These are the demons of the "dead relative coming back to let us know he/she is ok" genre.

Demons know everything about a dead person because they have been around since the time of Noah's flood and simply follow a person (or persons) throughout their life.

Once the person has died, the demon is "homeless". It leaves; or it finds another human host (another family member perhaps). It can manifest its presence physically using mediums, channelers, poltergeist or other "haunted" activity, etc.

It typically can manifest as the person it hosted in that person's life.

Fallen angels are part of Satan's ilk and their plan for humanity has never changed: kill, steal, destroy, deceive.

Part of that deception involves creating and exploiting the "ET" phenomenology. In that context, demons, who are still under their control in the dark spiritual hierarchy of things, can be summoned to help "play out the game" so to speak.

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Well, the word demon has many many meanings to religious and spiritual people. it does not necessarily mean "Bad", it could just mean not physical.

Originally posted by gandhi
Well, the word demon has many many meanings to religious and spiritual people. it does not necessarily mean "Bad", it could just mean not physical.

To me "demons" mean bad, bad, bad.
I enjoyed the post, because it's the first time I heard of demons not being wicked and evil.

Would you rather have a "bad" demon living with you or a "good demon born outside the will and purposes of God".

Wrong is wrong, whether it be good or bad!

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Originally posted by thisnamenotinuse
Would you rather have a "bad" demon living with you or a "good demon born outside the will and purposes of God".

Wrong is wrong, whether it be good or bad!

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Please explain more, you seem to regard all "demons" as evil and wrong. Not only that, but you probably regard all "spirit contact" as "demonic contact" despite the Holy Bible.

Originally posted by halfoldman
I cannot agree - the hybrids in Genesis were physical beings. Demons are non-material and cannot interbreed with us.
I believe in many spirits, but only a few are demons or the "Jinn" that was never embodied. But maybe Im wrong?

Just to clarify in case I made an error in my post, the hybrids were indeed physical. I never mentioned that demons ever interbred with humans. However, I did say that fallen angels once interbred with females.

The Nephilim are the physical result of a female mating with a fallen angel in human form. The Bible is full of angels appearing as "fully equipped" human males in a human physical form - they could walk, talk, eat, sleep, fight, be touched, etc, all things such as we do while in their physical state. Technically they aught to be able to have sex as well. The Bible forbids the act of sex between angels or between angels and humankind. That does not mean they can't do it if they rebelled (which some angels did). Jesus said in Heaven the angels neither marry nor are given in marriage. Would you even say that to a creation that had no sexual organs? But I digress.

So much for crossing the angelic-physical-genetic barrier.

Now upon the physical death of a Nephilim, a spirit is released and because of its "dual citizenship" is bound to the earth. The name given to that spirit is "demon".

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Originally posted by halfoldman

Somebody please explain why significant amounts of people believe in aliens and spirits, but only as "demons"?

Because some religious people are afraid of the unknown. So, they seem okay with labelling something as they don't know anything about as a "demon".
Quite pathetic.

Originally posted by halfoldman

Originally posted by thisnamenotinuse
Would you rather have a "bad" demon living with you or a "good demon born outside the will and purposes of God".

Wrong is wrong, whether it be good or bad!

[edit on 3-1-2010 by thisnamenotinuse]

Please explain more, you seem to regard all "demons" as evil and wrong. Not only that, but you probably regard all "spirit contact" as "demonic contact" despite the Holy Bible.

Demons are "by very definition" demonic. They are evil and wrong by nature. That is why they have been given the name "demon". If they were not demonic in nature they would have been given another name that did not have the same meaning as the term "demon" does.

Any unlawful spirit contact of the dead is forbidden by God (it's called necromancy - read Leviticus). Saul contacted a "witch" (also forbidden by God) to summon the "dead" (already established as being forbidden by God). In what context then is that "spirit" which appeared to Saul (and which hijacked the name of Samual) a "good" thing, seeing as both contacting a witch and contacting a dead spirit were forbidden by God?