Widespread Panic.

Originally posted by Syntax
and know how to avoid getting uncovered...

And maybe that's what they're doing.

I dont understand the see me/dont see me hypothesis if they really dont want to be seen then they could cloak themselves. But it seems we're so insignificant that they allow us to make sighting of them anyway..what are we gonna do about it anyway? Either that or there are other 'factions' who dont play by the 'rules' of other Eben civilisations and show themselves when they should not. Theories?

Originally posted by Gazrok
and turning some religions on their ears... First and foremost, is the establishment of what their agenda is, are there others out there? If there are others, what is their relationship with them, etc. There's likely to be tremendous economic impacts, that can't even be fathomed at this point. The more research I've done on it, the more I find out about times they were going to go public, only to then hush it back up again. Perhaps this trickling effect of information is the best way. Then again, what if it's an awful secret that's being hidden...the aliens aren't benign, but in fact, quite sinister, and we're only keeping them in check... As a government, if this were the case, would you want your citizens to know this? Something to think about...

the danger an alien species would pose to earth would not be affected by how many people are aware of them.

wiping out a planet is easy,say... re adjusting the path of an asteroid or comet.

Originally posted by Gazrok
I meant that, if the government is keeping the secret, then a primary goal they would have, prior to going public, would be to educate us on the alien agenda. Had this agenda been a benign one, you would think we'd have seen more depictions of this in the media, leading up to the announcement. However, because this hasn't been the case, then it seems to leave only two alternatives:

1) There aren't any aliens.

OR

2) Their motives are not benign....:md:

considering the behaviour of the powers that be throughout history,
is would be safe to assume they would desire to monopolise any contact with an incredibly valuable source such as an alien species.

they alone would reap the benefits.

I think confirmation would be a positive beneficial eye-opener for everyone, including theists, agnostics and atheists. I don't think it would cause panic... as long as there are no hostile species trying to take over the Earth.

For the non religious people, it will help show there is more to life than just being a random accident of chemicals mixing together. It shows that life has a purpose... a meaning. It shows life is intelligently designed by some other Force (that force doesn't necessarily mean God... it could just be governed by the natural laws of this universe).

For the religious people, it will show the awesome power of God.. as in how God created this universe filled with life everywhere and that each species created has a unique purpose.

Now.. if an alien species wants to take over the world then I suppose it would cause some panic, but at least it would help unite the human species to fight back. So I don't think the panic wouldn't destroy us.

There certainly is a lot of speculation on this thread about what the aliens might or might not be up to, what people might or might not do if they knew, and what governments might or might not be doing about this whole issue. Since this is all speculation anyway, I'll add mine, labeling it clearly as such.

I suspect that IF there is a governmental coverup, then the powers in charge commission regular and continuing Rand Corporation (or other think tank) studies that aim to discover just what would happen if Disclosure happened. These studies would use statistical techniques which would return answers at a very high level of confidence over several different scenarios. In other words, the studies would be as scientifically valid as it was possible to be with these sorts of variables. The 'government' (used loosely) is not flying blind here. They believe they know what will happen, and so far, what will happen is not something they are willing to risk.

Originally posted by schuyler
There certainly is a lot of speculation on this thread about what the aliens might or might not be up to, what people might or might not do if they knew, and what governments might or might not be doing about this whole issue. Since this is all speculation anyway, I'll add mine, labeling it clearly as such.

I suspect that IF there is a governmental coverup, then the powers in charge commission regular and continuing Rand Corporation (or other think tank) studies that aim to discover just what would happen if Disclosure happened. These studies would use statistical techniques which would return answers at a very high level of confidence over several different scenarios. In other words, the studies would be as scientifically valid as it was possible to be with these sorts of variables. The 'government' (used loosely) is not flying blind here. They believe they know what will happen, and so far, what will happen is not something they are willing to risk.

that risk would be in the consideration of their own potential benefit and losses,
game theory.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

of course but what do the Aliens gain from it? The right to abduct people? Heck they could do that anytime they wanted without a problem they dont need permission by the US Govt. If they wanted to harvest us they could just use their beams to put us into a tepid mental state (as they do on abductions)
cart us up in a transport and plug us into their machines

"that risk would be in the consideration of their own potential benefit and losses,
game theory.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

Originally posted by jainatorres
of course but what do the Aliens gain from it? The right to abduct people? Heck they could do that anytime they wanted without a problem they dont need permission by the US Govt. If they wanted to harvest us they could just use their beams to put us into a tepid mental state (as they do on abductions)
cart us up in a transport and plug us into their machines

"that risk would be in the consideration of their own potential benefit and losses,
game theory.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

game theory applies to self serving predators.

ET wouldnt interfere unless they were of malicious/careless nature.
or if their chosen subject of studies existence was in danger.
thier ufo's are most likely instruments of scientific observation,artificially intelligent.

it would be "the powers" interfering with them

[edit on 6-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

[edit on 6-11-2007 by wierdalienshiznit]

Originally posted by schuyler
There certainly is a lot of speculation on this thread about what the aliens might or might not be up to, what people might or might not do if they knew, and what governments might or might not be doing about this whole issue. Since this is all speculation anyway, I'll add mine, labeling it clearly as such.

I suspect that IF there is a governmental coverup, then the powers in charge commission regular and continuing Rand Corporation (or other think tank) studies that aim to discover just what would happen if Disclosure happened. These studies would use statistical techniques which would return answers at a very high level of confidence over several different scenarios.

There is a formal group called the "International Academy of Astronautics SETI Permanent Study Group : Post-Detection Science and Technology "

See www.setileague.org...

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Its purpose is to act as a Standing Committee to be available to be called on at any time to advise and consult on questions stemming from the discovery of a putative signal of extraterrestrial intelligent (ETI) origin.

In the event of the discovery of such a signal, especially if it is not clearly of ETI origin, it could be important to gather experts from many nations to assist in the detailed analysis of the signal.

The Study Group would be called upon to give such advice, (and if necessary to travel to the observatory where the observations were made), by the institution or organization making the discovery.

All costs for such activities of the Study Group would be born by the organization making the detection.

The Study Group will develop plans to respond and assemble to provide such consultation.

The Study Group will also prepare categories of investigation and analysis it may wish to use if called upon.

These categories should be addressed to all putative signal types, from a simple continuous wave frequency to a complex signal rich with information, which might need extensive decoding.

The Study Group would be empowered to call upon other consultants for specialist help, including members of the full IAA SETI Permanent Study Group .

The Subcommittee will be made up of expert scientists and engineers from different nations.

The areas of expertise will include, but are not limited to, infrared and microwave radioastronomy and engineering, signal detection technology and statistics, computer science and technology, radio frequency interference analysis, and radiotelescope operations.

The Taskgroup will meet every year jointly with the full IAA SETI Permanent Study Group. It will have a Chair and a Deputy Chair. Members are selected by the full Study Group. One third of the membership will rotate every five years.

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See RIO Scale on wikipedia

What is the RIO Scale

A RIO Scale calculator

from what i gather, ETBE's arent relative to our dimension alone. Some are, some arent. There are many mansions in Gods great kingdom. Think of the universe as a series of double sided mirrors lined up like dominos, the space between the mirrors i think is where we are as the masons use with the 3 windows, the center being "cosmic illumination", pass through the mirror, bammo a whole new dimension?? Then time, time is a tree with branches of different possibilties, and also in my mind is like a wake on a boat, with spinning current, called random wormholes. which may explain some of the strange things that are reported in this crazy world. This is my theory, based on years of interest in it. This is the most logical picture i can make for myself, but i take correction if anyone knows differently

I posted on this before, but, in my opinion, as long as the news of ET being here does not affect the financial institutions there will be little effect among the populations.

Any effect on religion will be way down the list of things that might be a problem.

Everything else is secondary, including their intent and hosility.

Now you might cite Orson Wells' famous broadcast, but as you might recall, that was broadcast in such a way as to heighten suspense for the story. Obviously if they landed and were in the process of annihilating cities and killing millions with death rays that would have maximal effect.

In fact I think we are now so blase that if it were just announced that we had identified a signal from ET and/or identified a home planet many light years distant, it wouldn't even cause a ripple.

I don't know about other religions but Christians who believe that the only
way to heaven is to confess that he/she believes that Jesus died on the
cross for our (human) sins, would have to make some serious internal
belief changes. Christians already believe that those who do not believe
that Jesus is "the way" to heaven have condemned 70% of the world's
population to hell after physical death. (Studies say that only 30% of
the people on Earth are Christians) Add ET's to the mix and you'll have
potentially billions of additional souls that must be converted, or
condemned to dance with the devil forever and ever.

P.S. Do the other major world religions also believe that those who are
not of their belief-system are banned from ever being in the presence of
God after physical death?
.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by carewemust]

Originally posted by carewemust
P.S. Do the other major world religions also believe that those who are
not of their belief-system are banned from ever being in the presence of
God after physical death?

Most probably do. Except it is irrelevant since if you dont believe in it you dont believe you're gonna get "banned" from any Gods presence. Religions are quite funny that way. I mean, what makes a "one-man-religion" any more wrong than massed religion?

Personally, I think its more of a cultural issue rather than religion when it comes to panic. Like 80% of my country is "Christian" in the sense they've all told us we are Christian since we are baptized at birth more as tradition than religion (and no one bothers quitting the church). I doubt anyone will panic on a religious base but the very few religious nuts.

[edit on 6-11-2007 by merka]

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Mostly, the general population isn't ready to *know* it yet...Only the relatively few open-minded people that live could accept it as fact & not go bonkers with conflicting religious beliefs.

...This is one of the reasons that I disdain religious fanatics...Too narrow-minded & willingly wearing blinders to the actual reality around them...And willing to commit violent acts against anything they can't accept, even if it's fact.

...People are soooo Stooopid! That's why I'm glad that I gave up being a people a long time ago...I'm much more at peace with me than I ever have been before that time.


[Edited on 26-2-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

You carry the point on why they do keep it a secret, which I agree with to an extent.

I would like to add that they only way religious people would be able to COPE is that they would twist the idea of aliens to fit their religion and the bible for their religious validation.

They would either think the aliens are angels of Lucifer meaning to harm the human race.

Or

They would accept them as Gods Creations and are here to warn us that Jesus is coming back.

Then once Christianity would claim that Jesus is coming back, it would start a holy war with the Muslims.

I agree that there are a lot of sects of religion that is fanatical and I proudly say I belong to none of them. I have been Agnostic or borderline Atheist for a long time.

Not only this, the people whom kept it a secret would have to explain why they kept it secret and even then, the public would not trust them. On top of that, they only wanted this technology for military advantage or NOT to have this technology fall into the wrong hands. Which in this case it was ours.





[edit on 11/6/2007 by TheInfamousOne]

Originally posted by Pikachu
I often think if there are Alien lifeforms out there why can't we know and why are they hiding it all from us?

I think it all depends whether they're "out there," or whether they're "here."

If there is some odd radio signal coming from a planet around a star a few thousand light years away, it would shake things a bit to announce that fact, but overall people would understand that some critters that far away probably aren't going to be bothering us directly. So we can continue to go about our daily lives and let the theologians and the academics worry about them.

On the other hand, if it was announced that aliens not only exist but frequently interact with us here on Earth, and not always in positive ways, then the proverbial feces would hit the fan. In that scenario, I can't imagine anything good coming out of it. At that point, even if the critters looked like us and greeted us as Space Brothers and offered us cures for all diseases, Earth society would just tear itself to pieces, probably bloody, at that.

In the original ending of that possibly prescient movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still," after friendly Klatuu and his superpowerful robot, Gort, fly away and wait for Earth's answer to his the ultimatum, the governments of Earth get together and refuse to turn over control of the planet to Gort. And Earth is subsequently destroyed, because it turns out Klatuu wasn't just kidding around. That original ending was changed in theaters after test audiences found it too depressing. Unfortunately, I think it would probably be an accurate depiction of what would actually happen.

I just can't imagine anything positive happening. Yeah, it would be cool to finally know the truth. But it would kind of be like how cool it was to see what it looked like when a real jet crashes into a skyscraper. Astonishment, then hard reality.

reply to post by merka


I'm sure that when Alien disclosure actually occurs, the Pastors that
come to our church as VIP visitors (aka Mr. Creflo Dollar) will have
some way to capitalize on it for generating more $$$. It's amazing the
angles these guys come up with for getting people to give.
-cwm