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Originally posted by Haftu Fokuss
This is a very interesting case. This certainly doesn't look like a helicopter or UAV. As internos says, I hope that one day we can authenticate the video.
Originally posted by ventian
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not
Very good MMN. I am analyzing video as much as I can. I don't know who the two in the video talking are but if you have info that would help. At around 1:15 one asks What is that? and the second says I don't know. I don't know how much help this is and sorry for bumping an old thread but I have never seen this vid and it is quite spectacular. I have watched it three times and am heading toward the 4th with my earphones on.
PS I prefer the Elvis Avi instead of the Rosie.
As per Internos
Posted on 5-1-2010 @ 20:45
Here, i'll post the links to the soundtracks and the transcription:
i'll also post some screen-capture in syncro with the transcription, that could help to make better the point.
"[unintelligible] ... point zero at this time."
"Its a helicopter!"
"That's why its so slow."
"Might be some kind of debris."
"It's not much more than a round dot, but it looks different to most dots."
[BREAK IN SOUNDTRACK]
"[unintelligible] ..two zero...one one zero level, okay...heading North at
"Got any ideas what it is?"
"I got a helo!"
"You've got a helicopter?"
"Yeah - can't get a result on these things!"
"[unintelligible]... two five two ...[unintelligible]"
"I don't know what the hell that is - that's a helo, isn't it?"
"[chuckle] ... What is that? I don't know! ... I've no idea!"
"[unintelligible] ... flight level ... [unintelligible simultaneous talking]"
"Looks like one. Right up high now, goin' like .. straight up!"
"Its a balloon, ain't it? I don't know what the hell that is, man!"
"I think it's a helicopter."
"[unintelligible] ... forget it! ... data on him."
"Straight up, boy!"
"I'm outta here!"
"What the hell is it? ... I'm gonna lose it in the sun, [unintelligible]"
"Err ... I don't even know what it is!"
"Must be at eleven thousand feet a minute." (?)
[? DOOR CREAKING]
"[unintelligible] .. non-FLIR!" (?)
"See him?" (?)
"[unintelligible] ... non-FLIR, non-FLIR!" (?)
[Note: FLIR = Forward-Looking Infrared radar]
"See him?" (?)
Also a description of the above timeline can be found here:
A comprehensive article about general informations, background, location and time can be found here:
An article with analysis and graphs can be found here:
An article proposing as location of the sighting of the S-30 footage the Tolichna Peak Electronic Combat Range, can be found here:
And it seems that the author of the article linked in the OP, has positively identified the location of the footage as the black mountain, Nevada:
Anyway, they ASSUMED it was some helicopter only while it looked like a dot, and don't as well as they've assumed that it could have been some DEBRIS, then a BALLOON, and all this within three minutes
According to what we see and hear, and assuming that the footage is legit, I can't imagine anything more Unidentified Flying Object than this one.
Originally posted by Maybe...maybe not
Here are some tracking charts:
Originally posted by FoxMulder91
Very interesting video.
I dont believe ive seen it before or have heard of this case.
Im interested to see where this thread go's.
Originally posted by RICH-ENGLAND
hi all, i apologise in advance if what im about to say turns out to be ridiculous or has already been mentioned/disproved as ive just come across this thread, its almost 7am, ive been awake most of the night and im in a rush and haven't had chance to read through everything. but ill have a say anyway, could this object possibly be a sikorsky cypher uav?.
In the late 1980s, Sikorsky Aircraft flew a small UAV named "Cypher", with coaxial rotors inside a torus-shaped airframe. The torus shroud improved handling safety and helped increase lift. The first proof-of-concept Cypher was 1.75 meters (5.75 feet) in diameter and 55 centimeters (1.8 feet) tall, weighed 20 kilograms (43 pounds), and was first flown in the summer of 1988. This design was powered by a four-stroke, 2.85 kW (3.8 hp) engine and was mounted on a truck for forward-flight tests.
It led to a true flight prototype Cypher that weighed 110 kilograms (240 pounds), had a diameter of 1.9 meters (6.2 feet) and was powered by a compact, 40 kW (53 hp) rotary engine. After an initial free flight in 1993, the Cypher prototype was used in flight tests and demonstrations through most of the 1990s, ultimately leading to a next-generation design, the Cypher II, which was a competitor in the United States Navy VT-UAV competition.
The single prototype first flew in April 1992 and flew untethered in 1993. Since then, over 550 demonstration flights have been made for the US government.
The Cypher can carry a sensor package on struts above its hull, or can transport loads weighing up to 50 lb (23 kg).
Two Cypher II prototypes have been built for the US Marine Corps, which calls the UAV "Dragon Warrior". The Cypher II is similar in size to its predecessor, but has a pusher propeller in addition to its rotor and can be fitted with wings for long-range reconnaissance missions. In its winged configuration, the Cypher II has a range of over 185 kilometers (115 miles) and a top speed of 230 km/h (145 mph). It is unclear if the Cypher will enter into production.
Capacity: 50 lb (23 kg)
Length: 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Rotor diameter: 4 ft 0 in (1.22 m)
Height: 2 ft 0 in (0.61 m)
Disc area: 25.2 ft² (2.4 m²)
Loaded weight: 264 lb (120 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 300-340 lb (136-154 kg)
Powerplant: 1× UAV Engines AR801 Wankel rotary engine, 50 hp (37 kW)
Maximum speed: 52 knots (60 mph, 97 km/h)
Range: 49-67 nm (56-77 mi, 90-125 km) depending on model
Service ceiling: 8,000 ft (2,440 m)
Disc loading: 9.9 lb/ft² (47.5 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.2 hp/lb (0.32 kW/kg)
Endurance: 2-3 hours
EO, FLIR, small radars, chemical detectors and magnetometers, radio relay, and non-lethal payloads
Any attempts to estimate the object's size are complicated because of the uncertainty of its distance throughout most of the S-30 footage. However, for the purposes of this exercise it is reasonable to assume that the range data is accurate when the object is between 12795m and 11705m from the tracking station. Since this occurs before the camera zooms in, and the width of one degree in azimuth is known, the object's height can be estimated by triangulation, and is found to be 8.7m ± 2.5. The object does not present a clear side or front view during the early period of the footage, so these dimensions were estimated from carefully selected still shots, using the height as a starting point.
Its length was found to be 11.6m ± 3.5 and its width was 12.3m ± 3.7.
VELOCITY AND RATE OF CLIMB
The average ground speed across the entire profile is 189 knots, and the average airspeed is 200 knots. During the accurate stretch of range data (i.e. between 23:21:08 and 23:21:13) the object's speed is around 43 knots, explaining why the operators think it is "so slow" at that time. It accelerates gradually as it approaches the tracking station, but particularly so after it levels out after the climb at around 23:22:30. Its 'cruising' air speed probably lies between 173 and 207 knots. There is no clear evidence that the UFO achieves an exceptionally high speed at any point in the S-30 footage.
hi mmn, thanks for reply
as i said earlier i didn't have time to read the thread before posting so apologies for missing the picture and stuff. usually i will study a thread and whatever links have been posted before i post anything but this time i just watched the vid and skipped to the end to post before i went out.
and again sorry if this next question is silly or has been covered but i really dont have time to study the thread at the moment or do any research, but could it be a cypher derivative or similar uav?.
ill study all the info sometime later and do a little research myself because i also find this a very interesting video and case and would love to discuss it further if i can come up with anything.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
This video is definitely one that has stood the test of time these last few years. To this day I have yet to hear an explanation of what the object might be.
It's truly fascinating.
I want to go on record and say that around that time, according to reports, the US were experimenting with hybrid technology.
I have a gut feeling that this was a test flight recorded for an agenda that we were not privvy to. Most probably funding from the white house.
I personally have seen a craft like this
and the question you have to ask yourself is why keep it a secret after all this time? either its ours (human) or its not.