Are they seriously calling the body scanners "rapiscans?"

Originally posted by scrtsxcgirl
Who knows maybe it will stop some violence.....

Since this recent ordeal originated in amsterdam, they'll clearly be stopping people from carrying personal amounts of "drugs" (which are only illegal due to the corrupt government) on their persons, but...

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by alaskan

 

Are planned airport scanners just a scam?

New technology that Gordon Brown relies on for his response to the Christmas Day bomb attack has been tested – and found wanting

By Jane Merrick

Sunday, 3 January 2010
www.independent.co.uk...

The explosive device smuggled in the clothing of the Detroit bomb suspect would not have been detected by body-scanners set to be introduced in British airports, an expert on the technology warned last night.

The claim severely undermines Gordon Brown's focus on hi-tech scanners for airline passengers as part of his review into airport security after the attempted attack on Flight 253 on Christmas Day.

The Independent on Sunday has also heard authoritative claims that officials at the Department for Transport (DfT) and the Home Office have already tested the scanners and were not persuaded that they would work comprehensively against terrorist threats to aviation.

they wouldn't have worked anyway

[edit on 6-1-2010 by alaskan]

Originally posted by alaskan

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

No, I wouldnt want her to be seen, which is why I wouldnt take her on a plane at this point. We will find other means to travel where we need to travel, and if we cant get there without flying, we dont need to go.

You're never going to let her travel overseas? You have the money to pay for a cruise/travel across foreign land?

Is the term 'prison planet' a cliche at this point?

No, Im never going to fly with her. It is a CHOICE that I make, to not use the PRIVATE AIRLINES, which, by buying a ticket, you consent to these measures.

Its called giving up a few comforts to preserve what i consider freedom.

FLYING IS NOT A RIGHT.

You don't understand that NOT EVERYBODY has the means to travel by different methods.

NOT EVERYBODY cares enough to look into this to even bother telling their children about it.

YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.


Also...

1. Find a picture of someone in body scanner.



2. Right click, copy image, and paste it into microsoft paint.

3. Invert colors.



Are any of you seriously going to keep acting like these aren't actual naked images?

Originally posted by alaskan
You don't understand that NOT EVERYBODY has the means to travel by different methods.

NOT EVERYBODY cares enough to look into this to even bother telling their children about it.

YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.


Also...

1. Find a picture of someone in body scanner.

2. Right click, copy image, and paste it into microsoft paint.

3. Invert colors.

Are any of you seriously going to keep acting like these aren't actual naked images?

1)Ummm, yes I do, you are not getting my point. I will choose NOT TO TRAVEL AT ALL to protect my rights. Again, flying is not a right. If you want to stick up for your rights, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOME CONVENIENCES.

I do not believe I ma the center of the universe. Conversely, it is you that believes comforts and conveniences is your right. That,my friend, makes you the one who believe the world should revolve around you.

2)No, they are not naked images. They are digital scans. While they are still, in my opinion, morally wrong, it is FACT that they are digital scans, not naked pictures.

I think there is a scratch on this record.....

Lately the madness and uproar surrounding the diaper bomber and the resulting push to use xray scanning machines in airport screening to help fight the so called war on terror is a sad testimony to what this administration calls hope and change.

Any rational person even those with no formal education can tell you that to scan children and to treat children as if they were terrorist is a clear example of abuse that proves the TSA is out of control. With no meaningful leadership at the top of TSA, we can expect knee jerk reactions from those within the TSA to incidents like this failed diaper bomber attack. It does not however warrant the latest decision to scan the general public and further offend the traveling public to draconian measures intended to do nothing meaningful. This latest change in airline travel requirements is a major mistake that someone needs to review.

Children and old people in wheel chairs are not the enemy and anyone who says we have to sacrifice sensibility for expediency for the sake of fighting terrorism is a fool. To enforce some moronic standard that no one is exempt implies that they better get their act together because submitting children and the elderly in wheel chairs to this abuse of privacy is nothing short of criminal abuse which must not be allowed to impact the children and or the general public that elects to use airlines to travel great distances.

Not until some level headed common sense leadership assumes the top job at the TSA is anything going to change. At present the position is nothing but a political cronyism slot with too much political correctness to ever be of benefit to the general public. In such an absence of leadership withing the TSA it should be no surprise to see the minions within the TSA do the dumbest things because it implies no one is checking and no one has communicated the standards of what they should be doing in the first place. In such an environment of neglect we can expect to see the TSA reps doing dumb things. Treating children, the elderly and beautiful hot women to such a perverted screening is abuse. Treating busty and hot women as if they were terrorist is a transparent lie used to allow the perverts in the TSA to view female children and hot women in some perverse manner which we should not allow under any circumstances.

Our failure to demand a cessation to this stupid change will no doubt produce and distribute xray sex photos of women and children that those within the TSA will use to seed the internet with pornographic photos of naked women and children. Even the pics of men could be abused by the female staff within the TSA, but to end this madness, someone has to take charge of the TSA and must begin to do the job that this nations pays 74 billion dollars a year to the TSA to perform for the American public. To date the TSA has failed the American public and nothing short of real leadership is going to change the dismal performance of the TSA. The American public deserves better, but to change the performance standards for the TSA minions is going to take a real change. I just hope we don't have to bear the insanity of incompetence any longer than necessary.

wow...ummmmmm thats a bit of a stretch, i agree its a little much givin the fact that they already can do strip searches on who ever they want, but comparing it to rape?

Well, let's keep arguing over the use of the word "rape" and completely ignore the reality of the situation.

IMO, the idea that it is reasonable for everyone to simply stop traveling by plane is myopic. What about people who travel by plane for their job? Oh, wait they could just give up their job and be homeless. What about people who live on the other side of the country from their family? I guess they could quit their jobs or travel by car for a week or more in order to visit their family for one day and then take a week or more to drive back home, thereby using all of their vacation time for an entire year.

That's not much freedom in today's world. If I can only be free if I restrict myself to my own state, or my own town, or my own home, that doesn't sound like much freedom to me.

Also, people who think the images are going to all be blurred and not saved for later are being incredibly naive. It will only be a matter of time before entire pay sites pop up online selling naked pictures of women and children and young men. In a world where sometimes people drill holes in bathroom walls and install two-way mirrors in hotel rooms to gather voyeur videos, these full-body scanners make it easy to violate everyone.

Wow you Americans are incredibly weird about nudity! Medical professionals such as doctors and nurses can be trusted to see you unclothed but security professionals cannot be? You can already be strip-searched at airports. However, apparently it's somehow worse to be seen in an photo negative by a professional that in all likelyhood you will never meet in another room on a screen with no name or other information on it?

Also, why on earth do all cases of nudity have to be equated with sex? Is America really that sexually repressed a culture that seeing a naked person will cause the country to go into some kind of frenzy? Also why is it always "your" body that will be seen in a sexual light? I hate to say this, but honestly I wouldn't want to see the vast majority of Americans naked, especially in any kind of sexual light!

Finally, where in your constitution does it say that you have a right to never be seen naked? I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and speculate that the people with the biggest problem with being seen naked are the same ones that believed the implied Right To Privacy that was mentioned in the Roe Vs Wade case was "judicial activism." It is true that air travel is a choice, and there are other options instead.

(Also do not give me that "some cannot afford alternatives" argument if you ever consider yourself a Libertarian, or even a capitalist for that matter, that kind of "entitlement thinking" belongs to socialists like me haha!)

I will tell you what will be far more humiliating than a security professional seeing a fleeting nameless image of you naked amonst a thousand others: Myself and a million other Britons standing on the docks laughing at the Americans so prudish and paranoid that they had to take a steamship for their European vacation!

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Wow you Americans are incredibly weird about nudity! Medical professionals such as doctors and nurses can be trusted to see you unclothed but security professionals cannot be? You can already be strip-searched at airports. However, apparently it's somehow worse to be seen in an photo negative by a professional that in all likelyhood you will never meet in another room on a screen with no name or other information on it?

My doctor doesn't take nude pictures of me. And there is a difference in context that I think you are missing. Nudity is fine in the right context.

I was an art major in college and have a lot of experience drawing the nude human form. One day our professor had to call our campus police because the construction workers who were supposed to be replacing the roof of our art building, had lowered the scaffolding and were gawking at our nude model.

She was being paid or had volunteered to pose nude for the students to draw. But we were respectful of her and she wasn't uncomfortable being nude in front of us. However, a line of construction workers gawking at her from the other side of the window was a violation of her privacy.

There is a difference in being nude willingly, and being forced to submit to something like that. And in our culture (USA) it is not uncommon for people who are not totally professional to take advantage of situations like this. There was even a story recently, about some mall security guards who had pointed their camera into a temporary dressing room at a mall charity event. Maybe that sort of thing doesn't happen in your culture, or you just don't care, but we are not the only culture in the world who doesn't like nude pictures of ourselves floating around.

reply to post by AmethystSD


I do think you misunderstand me as well. Americans it seems equate nudity directly with sex. If someone is naked, there is some pervert wishing to take sexual advantage of them. I went through one of these scanners this past weekend. Nobody seemed to have any problem with it here in London. In fact some people thought it was rather cool and futuristic. Nobody that I could see was really ashamed or feeling violated at all, because the people conducting the scans are trained professionals, who do take their jobs seriously.

To get over the issue here you're going in the wrong direction. What you need to do is de-sexualize nudity rather than prevent it in all cases. In America women cannot even sunbathe topless, in Europe that is no big deal. The same is true in adverts, we have much less problem with a little nudity. A French friend of mine, when we were in California last, joked that she wondered if some Americans wear bathing suits in the shower. If the human body was not some mystical forbidden fruit to Americans perhaps you'd have less issue with perverts trying to sneak a look at one. Repression gets acted out upon, ease up on repressing yourselves, and it won't be such a big deal.