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Are they seriously calling the body scanners "rapiscans?"

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posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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I would never agree to this.

Oh, wait... I don't have a choice.

I should become a nude model - then at least I'd get paid for it.





posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by alaskan

Originally posted by captaintyinknotsIf you think body scans and rape are even REMOTELY similar, you need a bit of help.


Really?

All the children, toddlers to 12 year olds, know exactly what's happening when they go through airport security?

Are they really consenting to having naked images taken?

Again, there's a huge difference between physical rape and what I'm talking about, but if you were to set up a haunted house next halloween with these things at your doors without explaining to people that you'd be seeing them naked, you'd end up in prison.

Stop arguing BS semantics, paying people to inspect their 'subjects' nude is exactly what we're supposed to be fighting against.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by alaskan]

1)Naked images are not taken. Digital scans are.

2)Voyeurism is in no way the same as rape. Just because your privacy is violated, does not mean you were raped. Anyone who could think so has obviously NEVER witnessed the devastation rape causes.

3)If the people CONSENTED to come through in your hypothetical situation, which they do in airports, then no, I would not be in jail.

4)Parents are legally allowed to make decisions for children under the age of 18. So, while that child may not know what is happening, the parent does, and consents to it. So the 'child doesnt know' argument is really moot and irrelevant.


It is you, my friend, who is using 'BS' semantics to to conjure of vulgar images and stir up fear in order to get your message across. That is the ONLY reason you would compare this to rape.

I am no advocate of these machines, in fact, I find them to be a gross violation of a lot of rights, but using fantastical, and false, comparisons to get your point across only makes the arguments against them weaker.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by David_Reale
I would never agree to this.

Oh, wait... I don't have a choice.

I should become a nude model - then at least I'd get paid for it.



AHHH, but you do have a choice. You CHOOSE to fly.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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True. But we don't always have a choice in means of transport when we try to get somewhere. That doesn't leave us with much choice in the end. It's a bit hard to walk from Scandinavia to, say, Australia, for example.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by David_Reale
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


True. But we don't always have a choice in means of transport when we try to get somewhere. That doesn't leave us with much choice in the end. It's a bit hard to walk from Scandinavia to, say, Australia, for example.




I get what you are saying, but, the real choice is in traveling at all. Do you HAVE to travel those distances?

Now I do understand, that the illusion of choice is existent here-we often have to travel for work, family, etc. But, my point is, that for our rights to be taken back, we may have to give up some of the comforts and conveniences that we have grown so accustomed to-and that are used so effectively to control us.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Yea, but one might argue that traveling unmolested is a right rather than a comfort or convenience. In fact, I would say (although that might just be me thinking that) unless we're allowed to travel freely and without being subjected to humiliation like this, then we're not really completely free.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by David_Reale
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Yea, but one might argue that traveling unmolested is a right rather than a comfort or convenience. In fact, I would say (although that might just be me thinking that) unless we're allowed to travel freely and without being subjected to humiliation like this, then we're not really completely free.


You are free to travel freely. But if you want to use a private airline as a means for travel, then you are subject to rules and regulations.

its no different than a drivers license. It is not a right. It is a privilege. You have the right to go wherever you want. If you want to drive to get there, you are subject to rules. In no way dose that exclude you from moving freely.

Again, I feel like I am defending these scanners, which I am not. I am simply pointing out that arguing that it is our right not to have to go through them is completely false.

The way to preserve our rights is to demand them, and if companies do not comply, put them out of business for lack of patronage. Unfortunately, too many people n this world(most really), consider the conveniences and luxuries of modern tech a right.

They most definitely are not.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:51 PM
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Another example of rape is a person grabbing your arm and not letting go when you want them to is considered rape.

Looking at peoples bodies via scanners is kind of a personal invasion and can leave people with certain feelings of unease.

I find those scanners a little much, i mean come on.

Maybe "terrorists" wouldn't try to blow planes up if the U.S. Corporate army wasn't in a foreign country killing people.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by Quickfix
Another example of rape is a person grabbing your arm and not letting go when you want them to is considered rape.

Looking at peoples bodies via scanners is kind of a personal invasion and can leave people with certain feelings of unease.

I find those scanners a little much, i mean come on.

Maybe "terrorists" wouldn't try to blow planes up if the U.S. Corporate army wasn't in a foreign country killing people.


You have got to be kidding me. Someone grabbing your arm is rape? I weep for the state of this world.....




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Yeah, by law it is considered rape, pretty sad huh?

Yeah the whole law system is pretty F'd up.

Go go body invasion scanners...



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Quickfix
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Yeah, by law it is considered rape, pretty sad huh?

Yeah the whole law system is pretty F'd up.

Go go body invasion scanners...


Whats sad is, all things like this do is make rape more acceptable....



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Yeah, I saw a thread on here about child porn and the body scanners having to do with it.

Would you let your 12 year old daughter be seen naked?

What about being seen naked by an airport scanner?

Disgusting, utterly disgusting...



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by Quickfix
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Yeah, I saw a thread on here about child porn and the body scanners having to do with it.

Would you let your 12 year old daughter be seen naked?

What about being seen naked by an airport scanner?

Disgusting, utterly disgusting...


No, I wouldnt want her to be seen, which is why I wouldnt take her on a plane at this point. We will find other means to travel where we need to travel, and if we cant get there without flying, we dont need to go.

If more people would use their wallets to get their voice heard, companies would listen up a lot more.

I do have to say again though, it is not a matter of naked images. It is a computer scan, and its resolution is lowered.

Still not okay with it, though.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:13 PM
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Yeah, i understand it may be more pixilated, but a computer has the capability of taking pictures and in the airports case it would likely be a live feed to other airport security monitors along with recording the data.

I agree with you, I still find it unethical as some would say.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:33 PM
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From what I've heard nobody under 18 can be scanned from where I live (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) because of our laws of what constitutes child porn.

And because of mixed laws such as this around the world, it won't do much good. If anything, the US government is protecting the rest of the world from American terrorists.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Yeah Canada is starting to seem more pleasing then America now.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

No, I wouldnt want her to be seen, which is why I wouldnt take her on a plane at this point. We will find other means to travel where we need to travel, and if we cant get there without flying, we dont need to go.

You're never going to let her travel overseas? You have the money to pay for a cruise/travel across foreign land?

Is the term 'prison planet' a cliche at this point?



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by alaskan
Anyone that doesn't consider being forced to show your naked body to strangers rape is a complete idiot.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 03:39 PM
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You are right, of course. But it still sucks that it has come to this, that we can't fly without having to let people scan us in the nekkid. Well, I hope whoever came up with the idea grows impotent. And until they get rid of it, I'll rely on boat rides, I guess... *grumbles*




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 06:01 PM
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I wonder what happens after they have scanned us. Do they file this or is it just real quick and there is no filling of our naked images??? I definitely would not compare this to rape but it is a violation of privacy... Who knows maybe it will stop some violence.....



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