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"Yemen Attack" meant to incite Revolution?

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by ozymandias2010
In respect of the 'trance like' state - this is something that appeared in testiments of the man from Amsterdam who took him down on the plane. It's fairly easy to find such quotes. Things like "He was in a trance"...."seemed very scared i can't believe he was actually a threat he was just on fire."

Similar are the witness quotes about the Glasgow 2007 attacks: "They were like they were on drugs.......staring into nothing...there eyes were glazed over" blah etc

Just have a delve around and it's not too hard to find.

Psychosis can cause these symptoms. Murderers get a certain look in their eyes before they attack, this is perfectly normal. No drugs necessary, just a desire to kill.




posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 06:30 PM
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Centralization of power is still the goal, thus it's time for federal and national governments to go by the wayside. States rights died 145 years ago. Incompetence on the federal scale can only be corrected by what? More oversight power. The EU has led the way and America must eventually follow suit to compete economically, whether to form the NAU or to side with EU nations.
The NWO is nothing more than a few filthy rich families playing chess with the rest of us. The American Constitution is the largest stumbling block to their dreams of absolute domination of the planet. The fate of America is I believe the fate of the world in a way, we're about the only superstate left with citizens that are allowed firearms.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:32 PM
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Did it ever occurred to you that white house might be up to some thing. In this case I read something on 12/23/09 two days before the Detroit Plan Episode that read " Under the radar, Obama pushes for Patriot Act renewal" the key provisions that was set to expire on December 31. Here is the source

Source

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by briantaylor
JJay, I'd be interested to know your opinion of the history of AQ. I'd be willing to bet it's very different from mine. Further to our differences of opinion: I'm not saying that AQ is not a threat, nor that it is not real. I'm saying it is not something that is "out there." It is literally, right here, reading these words, right now. We need it to do what it is we feel we must. Without us there is no it, without it, there is no us.

I suspect you are one of those who won't have an open mind, but I'll give you one shot.
AQ is an Arabic phrase. It is a concept of Islam. Do you believe Islam exists?


Thanks. I needn't waste any more of your time then.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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Seriously the guy could of went to the bathroom to ignite the bomb on the plane. It's almost like he wanted to get caught.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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I don't know. Remember the runaway bride's eyes, or Manson's eyes, and this one man who chopped his wife up here in Michigan all had the crazy look. This guy on the Detroit flight seemed different. He did not look derranged like the afore mentioned.

But I guess the signs to tell if someones looney have advanced with the times.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by ozymandias2010
You have to remember that the Houthi rebels are essentially Shi-ites backed by Iran, with the Yemeni gov largely backed by the Saudis. Obviously Iran is the big story at the moment. I would hazard a guess that the US is planning to fake a revolution in Yemen itself whereby 'Al-Qaeda' seize control. This would allow for the US to invade proper and to stop the Iranians from getting a strategic foothold so close to Saudi.


I agree with this, very possible indeed.
Marab(Yemeni) tribesmen warn Alqaeda

Tribesmen from Mareb, east of Yemen, warned al-Qaeda operatives to immediately leave their province, otherwise they will be struck like their comrades in Arhab, Abyan and Shabwah


So, apparently the tribes of Yemen are condemning Alqaeda. They are obviously not welcome there, and are persecuted whenever possible.
Combine that with:

Al-Houthi rebels ready to abide by state's conditions

Al-Houthi rebels said Saturday that they would abide by all conditions set by the government if the military operations against them stopped.


We are ready to comply with all conditions set by the government, if there is a fair and comprehensive solution that will guarantee the war will never erupt again," said Mohammed Abdul Salam, the spokesman of the rebels.


And what you get is a country that is embarking in a promising direction, on it's way to recovery. Yemen gets hundreds of millions per year in aid from the UN and USAID, and the amount is set to increase substantially due to current events.
SO what could cause Yemeni instability?
Maybe something like this:


A terrorist cell busted in Yemen last month after a suicide attack on the US embassy there had links with an Israeli intelligence agency, the state-run Saba news agency reported.
The report, quoting an unnamed source, said investigations and data retrieved from a computer seized from the cell, showed there was correspondence between the Islamic Jihad group’s deputy leader Bassam Abdullah Fadhel Al-Haidari and an Israeli intelligence agencySaba quoted the source as saying that the correspondence between the two sides included a request from the Israeli side to implement terrorist attacks inside Yemen


Now this was 2008, and the group was responsible for the terrorist attack against the US embassy in whichkilled 18 people. On a side note, I wonder why the BBC omits the actual evidence for the linkage between this Islamic Jihad Group, BASED OUT OF PALESTINE, and the Israeli Intelligence.

I am unsure as to what came of those charges, but I'm assuming they were inconspicuously dropped when the public forgot about it.

To be honest, with the history of Yemeni and American cooperation since 2000, I'm not sure if there would be any need for a false flag operation to get into Yemen. Are the NeoCons pulling the strings from Israel, turning the war on terror into a perpetual one? The evidence doesn't discount it!

Personally, I'll be watching for a sudden breakdown in Saleh's control over Yemen, and the reasons that cause it. That, I beleive is where we'll find the people or entities behind a lot of the war on terror.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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I'm going to throw my two cents out there and with the fading dollar its more like .089 of a penny, but anyways.
Somalia + rising Muslim influence in Somalia + hijacked foreign vessels + millions of dollars being spent to recapture hijacked and pirated ships + U.S. needs home base to operate out of to handle this current problem. Now we can operate out of Yemen with U.S. support once we infiltrate and all of this came from our leg bomb dude(scapegoat) out of Yemen. Iraq wasn't that long ago so many of you can put together how this all works.
I see most of you see the light of day and figure out its all about the money. Money drives the world, and at the source of all problems and initiatives you will find money in the beginning and in the end. Money, Money, Money.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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One other detail you left out, the passengers said the "terrorist seemed to be in a trance." When asked what he had he said "Explosive device and put up no struggle, like he didn't know what was going on."

I've heard that one with Sirhan and others. The CIA was probably behind it.

I'm starting to think that some part of the government is intentionally trying to break the bank of the US govt. Maybe that is the only way to expose the black budgets and other nefarious uses of govt cash.

I'm convinced Afganistan is all about dope. Not only is it a huge source of cash but more importantly, it completely inhibits a conscious connection with God. I say this from my own personal struggles with narcotics. Believe me, it is impossible to reach certain meditative states with dope running through your system.

My thoughts on Obama have completely changed. I did not vote for him. I never would have voted for him last year. Today I feel he is desperately trying to pull off what Kennedy tried to do without taking a 30.06 round to the prefrontal cortex. He is much smarter than we give he credit for and he has surrounded himself with his enemies.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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Just have a delve around and it's not too hard to find.
Psychosis can cause these symptoms. Murderers get a certain look in their eyes before they attack, this is perfectly normal. No drugs necessary, just a desire to kill.

Jay, how do you know what murderers look like before they get ready to kill? And what exactly is perfectly normal for a murderer? Do you happen to know what they look like under hypnosis with 750mg of Prozac in their system?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Very well crafted thread - S&F.

It could be that, as you say, we are being set up to loose faith in TPTB because Copenhagen didn't result in the hoped for next step towards the NWO. It would be a kind of new scam to incite people to demand more security with the resultant giving up of even more of our liberties. It also could be that TPTB just wanted an excuse to expand the "war on terror" or as I prefer to call it "war without end". We need more info to be for sure, and I'm sure we shall see it from TPTB very shortly.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Wow I had no idea this even happened, thank you very much for bringing it to attention. S&F for you friend.

Quite astounding really, only one passenger speaking up? This should be front page stuff, on every news paper and every news station. Oh wait, Tiger Woods is the hot topic. No time for terrorism attempts at the moment.


-P?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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I'll take a stab at your questions. I may be completely off the mark, but this is how I would answer them.


1.) Why are we being set up to lose faith in TPTB?


One of the most effective ways to destroy a civilisation is to make the people of that civilisation divide, turn against each other and focus on differences and problems within that region. You know the saying "why attack from in front or behind when you can strike from within?"

A lot of people think they are "in the know" and completely awake and aware to what is going on. What they tend to forget is that TPTB are not only rich and powerful, they are educated, smart and perceptive too. They plan for all types of scenarios before carrying out their events. They predict the who, what and why before it takes place.

Who are we being encouraged to look at and blame for events? Who are we overlooking in our search for those pulling the strings? Why is one superpower fading away into oblivion while another is rising?

All is not what it seems.


2.) Why would big business want us to lose faith in TPTB?


Because Big Business and TPTB are NOT necessarily the same. A lot of rich business people have no idea about what the higher-ups are involved with in their organisations. They are given the opportunity to work for a prestigious company and paid well. Big Business is about that - money, profits and sales. TPTB are more about power, control and influence.

It appears that TPTB are behind the push to have a Carbon Tax implemented across the globe. This is not good for Big Business because a lot of the products they make profit off utilise CO2 output. Not only is this another tax, it is a threat to the creation of future products and contract deals worth millions.

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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Yes, big business controls government, and yes, big business wants to undermine the people's faith in government, but this is too simplistic.

People say Obama is the willing puppet of the New World Order elite, who seek to establish a one world socialist government. Yet, somehow we are asked to believe that all these titans of Wall Street are seeking global socialism.

Okay, so not true socialism. According to George Soros, the New World Order will be similar to China, essentially nationalized capitalism, i.e., fascism, the blending of corporate and government power.

Yet, the idealistic Left remains mum about the NWO, implying that they feel it will be much more democratic than their nemesis, fascist China. And Cheney and his neocon cohorts can't say enough crap about how Obama won't keep America safe. I realize the lock-step anti-NWO crowd believes all Left-Right politics is for show, but I suspect a massive rift within the coming NWO.

There are the neo-cons, who essentially want no government and want direct rule by the corporations. They don't want their profits taxed, their carbon taxed, or told that they cannot commit wanton destruction of the earth and exploitation of it people and resources.

Then there's the traditional left, who would love to see the end of the American empire, with some massive global government able to enforce laws in every part of the world. Who could possibly have the power to pull the rug out from under the all-powerful military industrial complex (MIC) except a global government?

And why would the MIC surrender their power to a global government that would essentially put the MIC out of business? Well, the typical anti-NWO folks will say that the MIC is being transitioned into the enforcement arm of the NWO. Maybe so. But I don't believe you can ever get more than one person in a room and have only one point of view.

I sense that the neo-cons (who are behind 9-11 and the War on Terror myth) have the backing of the MIC, big oil, and power companies. They are attempting to undermine the public's perception of government so that when the NWO takes over, it will be the neo-con model.

Obama, like Clinton, wanted nothing to do with the War on Terror, but he still takes his orders from the MIC and their lackeys within the CFR and Bilderbergers who argue that the War on Terror is useful in bringing about the NWO. His goal is to install the NWO before the neocons take over, and then the NWO can begin dismantling the MIC. Meanwhile, the neocons still have their intelligence "assets" out there that are looking to do something drastic, like set off a nuke, in order to undermine Obama's agenda. But they also realize that could play into Obama's hand and give him cause to declare a state of emergency (on top of the one we already have). Still, Obama is concerned that if America is attacked successfully under his watch, the neocons will take control the next election.

Still, the conventional wisdom in anti-NWO circles is to say they are all playing on the same team, and Obama is just as evil as Cheney, Kissinger, and the rest. I agree that Obama does have to look the part of a shrewd, machiavellian sociopath, but nothing in his past (not even his working for Kissinger) makes me believe he is anything but a very gifted, determined, idealistic and pragmatic politician trying to play the game to make things much, much better, inasmuch as it is at all possible.

When Clinton had the chance to declare the War on Terror after OKC, he quietly ignored the Middle Eastern connections and focused solely upon McVeigh. Even after the USS Cole, the 1993 WTC bombing, and the two embassy bombings, he did not launch a War on Terror, which is actually a campaign designed to create masses of terrorists and make the phony al Qaeda a real, genuine threat. Yes, he still had to follow the CFR and Bilderberg agendas, and destroy Yugoslavia, but he was not working with the neocons.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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One of the most effective ways to destroy a civilisation is to make the people of that civilisation divide, turn against each other and focus on differences and problems within that region. You know the saying "why attack from in front or behind when you can strike from within?"


So, it might therefore be surmised that the goal of the NWO (and Obama?) is to build upon the teabagger phenom and further widen the rift in America in hopes that all hell breaks loose. Isn't the Chinese term for 'tragedy/disaster' the same term used for 'opportunity'?

Consequently, might not a new Civil War or armed rebellion within the US ultimately serve the interests of the NWO, to call in the United Nations (and Xe mercs) to restore order?

Hey, has anyone else had the thought that perhaps it is the real goal to piss off the people of the world so bad that they'll unite to throw off these evil bloody leeches that have manipulated us for millenia once and for all? It's nice to dream.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:36 PM
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This is a great thread with many intelligent comments/responses.

To address the OP's questions:

a) Why are we being setup to lose faith in TPTB?

Majority of Americans are spoon feed what to believe by the MSM. The majority of Americans do not want to question the Government as they view the Government/TPTB as they do their parents; People believe that the Government/TPTB has only the best interest in mind for them. The minority who seek out answers and attempt to discus world/local events are marginalized as conspiracy theorists and nut-jobs. This occurs almost as if people react to things outside of their paradigm as enemies invading their homes. You tell a child Santa is not real and they become upset, you tell a Thirty-Five year old Professional his Government left out Building Seven in the 9/11 Commission report and that the BBC reported Building Seven fell before it actually did and they call you a crazy, food-hording conspiracy theorist.

We are not being setup, I believe we are only working with a few pieces of a much larger puzzle. A puzzle so vast in scope we have no reference to gage or understand it. We are working with miss-information and half-truths. We don't even trust the MSM as it stands now. If we did there would be no need to answer the validity of RT, right? What we do not hear from one network we hear from others. CNN versus Fox, which paradigm do you support liberal or conservative, republican or democrat. Is this divide and conquer, keep people guessing and unaware? Could we as a society bare the truth if it was presented to us? If a news anchor came on T.V. and said "Yes, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, RMS Lusitania, 9/11, War in Iraq part 2 have all been carefully orchestrated to bring about social control, heres how." Most people would not believe it anyway because this would threaten their world view. I don't think 'we' are an important part of TBTB's formula or scheme, we may be nothing more then mere uninformed pawns or expendable commodities.

b) Why would big business want us to lose faith in TPTB?

Why would Big Business push for NAFTA, GAT and outsourced jobs? If Americans do not have in-come they can not be expected to buy goods/services produced by Big Business. With the growing number of the unemployed it would seem the business master minds pulling the strings of the world economy shot themselves in the foot. We are a nation built on consumption. Economies of lesser nations depend on Americans spending money on imported goods. Again, this is part of a puzzle that we only have a few pieces of, we can not expect to solve this with the limited and possibly directed understanding we do have. To assume that Big Business wants us to lose faith in TBTB assumes that they are not the same entity and what sense would it make to stop the cycle of commerce. With the fall of the Roman Empire came the Dark Ages. If America Falls the economies of every nation will fall with it. What would TPTB stand to gain in such a scenario?

*) Webster Tarply and the MSM

If Tarply was a real threat and posed any challenge to TPTB he would have disappeared long ago. On the contrary, it's just as likely he is an insider used to spread miss-information. People say the same thing about Alex Jones, Prof. Steven E. Jones, David Ray Griffin, Jesse Ventura and the list can go on and on. As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know. - Rumsfeld (Review some of his Quotes and I think you'll find answers to your questions there)

In the end all we are working with is a variety of suppositions. We will never be able to say, "There, there's the smoking gun." What would happen if its found? - Revolt, America won't turn on itself, so revolt is not likely. Impeachment, proven to be pointless. We work at our jobs as long as we can keep them and continue to watch Monday Night Football and pretend everything is fine untill a few meals are missed and we step in line for Government hand-outs at the soup kitchen. We busy ourselves with opiats to avoid the real world.

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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 12:12 AM
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these are certainly the right inquiries to make about this matter. I found it weird as well that his "explosives" would just light him on fire and blow the whole operation.

That's strangely amateurish in comparison to how he got on the plane with no passport.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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I think, you sir, just pulled a 'Tarpley' and hit this nail on the head. I've been considering the possibilities for a gov driven revolution for sometime now and the pieces that were missing are coming into the picture almost flawlessly and without any preemptive situations amungst the public.

The things that concern me are the short and small bits of conjecture Ive heard a few times lately about 'population control', they typically say it and move on in MSM but after a few times I think we start to think, subliminally, that we need to defend ourselves before 'THEY' hurt us.

I think the reasoning behind it would be something dier. Something that they are either trying to protect us all from or something to protect themselves from. I mean, for the past 20 years, the gov has funded massive FEMA camps in the US and never said anything. Some with ready to go Air Force trains parked in them and the barded wire facing inwards, not out...which is to keep people IN, not out.

I dont know whats going on, but its becoming more and more obvious with every lie Obama throws at us, that somethings being setup, not someone, but something. A moment, a catalyst, that will send people over the edge. Honestly, in my parents home (upper middle class) you can cut the tension with a knife these days.

We have (in our family) plans in motion for such an event on how to best protect ourselves and our families from others. I dont know who else has these kinds of thoughts, but my family and that of my brothers and my parents are not law breakers or misdemeanor thugs or anything of the sort. Heck, we hardly like the word conspiracy...but to think law abiding citizens ARE thinking what they are thinking and the smart ones are planning to stay away from populated areas and major through ways, is frankly an abomination to have in the United States of America. I'm all about mine and every card carrying citizens freedoms, and I think somethings going on that cannot be stopped...its just one of those 'trials and tribulation' periods the bible spoke about...keep your heads low.

Just remember, cohorters and sinners amungst the people, persons who take advantage of others and mislead believers, will burn in the end and God will reign down fire from the heavens before bringing peace to us all.



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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Oh, as for the MSM...my stance on it is that its leading sheeple off a cliff with a spoon full of # in hand. I haven't really focused on the news in some time and I feel better than when I do. The old saying, 'if it bleeds it leads' really became noticable to me about 8 years ago and I have lost interest in the MSM brainwashing. Friends of mine who DO watch the news every morning and everyday and who refuse to think outside the box, i literally cannot even carry a conversation with anymore. All they know is what was said THAT morning on the news and what they dream about is what was said on the news THAT night. Its horrifying.

Why the hell do you think the MSM has 2 or 3 different feeds at one time on the news? Its a known historical fact that the colleseums in Rome were built to keep the people entertained, oblivious, and dumb. The same passive internal terrorism has now progressively transitioned to the television.

And whats with news anchors having jobs for lifetimes? Anyone ever thought thats strange? They are a 'breed' (dare I say) of ultra influencial people paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to mislead you. If anyones looking for an enemy, there's your first ones and they're in every one of your major cities!



posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 12:23 AM
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Here's a quick breakdown:

Something will happen in Britain, U.S., Israel, and Iraq, and this will lead to a war with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Hamas (Gaza), and Venezuela.

This is just the beginning. The invasion of Yemen is so that there's now a triple frontier to attack Iran from. Turkey and Saudi Arabia rejected planes to be used over their airspace, and so did Iraq, so the next best place is Yemen.

Yemen is going to be fully taken over by the U.S. because of the Strait of Hormuz. Don't be surprised if Oman is taken over as well within the next several weeks.

This is all a prelude to the upcoming New World Order (One World Government) and it's NOT going to be what you expect.

It will actually BE a fair One World Government governed by the people of the world, and NOT by individual greedy Elites....just watch...few more weeks, and it starts...



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