What if a christian point of view

what if i am wrong and there is no god and the athiest are right

would i have waisted my life trying to live the way that jesus taught would i be waisting my time trying to help any one i can would i be waisting my time trying not to judge and treat people the way i would like to be treated would i be stupid for forgiven people that try to do me harm would i be waisting my time trying to spread love and kindness to any one who wants it and would it be pointless trying to beat my sins for me the answer is no because i think this is a good way to live my life and also mabye this dosnt make me a great christian but i would never try to force my views down anybodys throat unless they wanted to here them. but what if i am right when i pass i will be in heaven with the lord. Where will you be

this is my first thread so go easy on me
thanks digby

Originally posted by digby888
what if i am wrong and there is no god and the athiest are right

would i have waisted my life trying to live the way that jesus taught would i be waisting my time trying to help any one i can would i be waisting my time trying not to judge and treat people the way i would like to be treated would i be stupid for forgiven people that try to do me harm would i be waisting my time trying to spread love and kindness to any one who wants it and would it be pointless trying to beat my sins for me the answer is no because i think this is a good way to live my life and also mabye this dosnt make me a great christian but i would never try to force my views down anybodys throat unless they wanted to here them. but what if i am right when i pass i will be in heaven with the lord. Where will you be

this is my first thread so go easy on me
thanks digby

I'm not particularly religious, but there are truisms in the bible and other religious dogma.

The bible tells we know the difference between right and wrong in our hearts. That I do believe. But, I am an unabashed humanist. Treat others as you want to be treated and you live a good life.

And really, if there is no afterlife......is that not peace in itself? No more worries and stuggling to survive.

Science nor religion can prove or disprove what the universe has in store for us. Meditate and find the answers to your questions. You will find them. Your time here is for a reason.

what if atheists are wrong TOO ?

i mean it is not christian vs atheists,

and since both are dogma to control opinions, i'd say both are wrong.

to answer the second part of the post,

i advise you find other answers than "the bible told me to do so and i want to go to heaven" to understand/justify your action.

then you'll be on a path toward real consciousness.
it's in you and everywhere in the universe, not in the bible although there may be some clues in it too.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
what if atheists are wrong TOO ?

i mean it is not christian vs atheists,

and since both are dogma to control opinions, i'd say both are wrong.

Frankly, its human against human. We all have own brand and understanding of theist or non-theists beliefs. I totally agree with you

The biggest accomplishment the prince of darknes has made.

He made men believe, he doesn't exist !!

However. Jadaïsme, does not no hell or the devil.
Why is it, that you point to a scenario which is embedded in the Christian mind ?

If i'm not misstaken, you can even read it yourself.
Read the old testement. I think i,ve read it in numbers. Not really sure, it could very wel be another.
Look for punishment the jews, are told to receive, when they sin.

My bible clearly states, God says He will personally judge and punish.
No need for pergatory or a devil.

I truely believe, the live what Jesus tells us to live, is a good live.
I just wished everybody else thought so to. Otherwise it is not a logical live to live. I don't think you will come of old age if you keep turning your other cheek, you know.

Greetings !!

reply to post by ::.mika.::

religon does not tell me how to think i listin to what i like i have no time for orginized religon i read the bible my self and try to make up my own mind and the words that jesus speaks are wonderfull and a great way to live yor life but saying that i still have a lot of problems with the bible death and dispair and hate beeing but a few or maby i am just not bright enough to understand it yet even in romans with paul he can seem to be very judgemental just one of the things jesus preached against but i know there is a god because he has always bean with me sorry if that sounds a wee bit skatty

reply to post by Sinter Klaas


hey that's a quote from "usual suspects"...

reply to brilab,

yes and the problem in my opinion is that this understanding is "implanted" by the paradigm we're educated in. christians/atheist the two sides of the same coin...

(i read your first post after, my second post is redundant, i was trying to express the very same idea)

peace

the way to heaven is making sure
everybody gets there,

it starts with the other, and ends with yourself,
not the other way around,
for most it is easy to think i'll get there,
but difficult is trying to find the law of god,
in a book that is made dual, with choice,
and has nothing to do with the rules men made up

trying to find justification for all, even for those who were
born before jesus, or for those asians or japanese that never heard about jesus,
or for those martians (yes, lets take a guess , just a stupid example again to make things clear) that did hear about jesus by you mentioning it 5 seconds, like you heard about them,
making you understand you will not give your life for them
if they would plainly ask you when you don't know them,
without any backinformation.

What you wont do yourself, dont ask from another.

searching justification for all
it is called love.

So how do you want to be sure of yourself,
before you are sure about all the people around you,

if you have to take a guess to deserve heaven,
i guess their guess is not that sinfull,

heaven is not a casino, heaven is a place
where people who fight for each other,
arrive to take in their rest.
Gods law is clear, I am One, All
All has many names.
Love me, Love all.
How ? by seeing him in all.


[edit on 3-1-2010 by pasttheclouds]

atheists can be the best believers,
worth of the kingdom,
where religious people can be ignorant
worth only of their own peace in a small lifetime.

A believer has nothing to do with religion,
but with gods law.

A kid is not asked to see the absolute before
he carries his way towards it.

So is an atheist an unbeliever ?
depends the local church teachings,
but they ar enot gods law teachings.

Originally posted by digby888
reply to post by ::.mika.::

 

i know there is a god because he has always bean with me

you are that god,
we all gods.

i'm very serious. the problem being that this god inside us is put asleep by all those dogmas that build belief system rather than consciousness.
(for the benefit of PTB obviously).

mika: you are right for a part,
god can choose to not be equal,
it means being ignorant, without growth

it means switching your godness off.

God is one, one means equal cross,
did humans take their full cross
so they deserve the kingdom ?

(the parable of the workers on the field,
god is one, pays everyone the same VALUE,
if you are god, you will pay that price,
even when it is seperated over human life
and paradise)

reply to post by digby888


Are you saying you are only good nature because of God?

Or are you these things because you feel it is what you should be?

If you are only acting in such ways because you feel God wants you to....then are you actions really sincere and true from the heart?

@ Digby

Please, don,t underestimate yourself. Believe what makes you feel good and keep your eyes open. Don,t just believe because a book or someone tells you to believe.

I think you allready proven your no idiot, simply by posting your thread.

peace

reply to post by pasttheclouds


if you were asking, i came sometime before to that conclusion that ultimately all is 1

infinity = 1

i meant :
we are all gods, we (as for everything from ALL the dimensions - the unseen one too-of the universe) are the one god = that one god is in us all and everything

(so i believe we more than partially agree unless you were pointing to something different)

reply to post by digby888


Hey Digby.

I'm an avid atheist. I cannot stand religion, especially Christians, they make my skin crawl and general annoy the hell out of me.

I want you to consider something for me.

The 'lifestyle' you have mentioned above, is 'good' human nature.

Christianity, amongst other religions claimed it was THEIR way of living life. So what is it? Human nature? Or the influence of religion upon our lives?

I'm a good person - I'm generous, I help people when I can, I give of myself freely, and lots of other good things. I have vices, and issues, the same as everyone else. Do this make me a bad person? No.

I take responsibility for my actions, because it's right to do so. Not because some book, or weird paedophile in a white cloak tells me to. My parents raised me well enough to know right and wrong without outside help (not including the input of friends and family about problems).

If I do something wrong, I make up for it, or pay the price. I DON'T pray to god to do it for me. Which one is going to do good in the world? Actually taking responsibility for your self and your actions? Or asking God to?

I know what the resident evil fundie Christians will say, but I try and ignore their 'noise'.

Try and be a good person Digby - that's all either you or anyone else can ask from you. You don't need the 'religious licence' to do this.

Parallex.

reply to post by LeoVirgo


no its the way ive always been like this i hate to see anyone suffering ive alway been pritty soft but i dont see that as a negitive and all these thing i said at the top are just the way i am i have had problems with it though suffering bad depression and alcaholism in the past thats when i turn to the church and they helped me with boththat was 3 years ago thats when i got baptized but i have always believed in god since i can remember which was quite strange because no one else around me did

reply to post by ::.mika.::


yes, i was pointing to a misconception in the new age teachings,
yes, we are part of god, but it doesn't mean there is no
choice to choose not to be god.
(if god is one, its impossible that some carry other weight then
others before they reach heaven, as freedom, one means
one cross, and the religions explain this hidden in their teachings,
why hidden ? to allow choice, if you would understand the absolute,
before the cross, it would erase growth, and that growth contains
the beliefsystems needed for god to exsist as one)

It means god blinded himself and gives himself choice,
in this world, actually one of the reasons this world
exsist,

you become a son of god, by seeing god in all,
by growth, that is the gospel. And then the fire
will change you. Before that you are a hybrid
between nothing and god, but still god

anyway, im sure what i tell now for most
will sound as totally crazy

Growth makes mistakes, always.

Originally posted by digby888
reply to post by LeoVirgo

 

no its the way ive always been like this i hate to see anyone suffering ive alway been pritty soft but i dont see that as a negitive and all these thing i said at the top are just the way i am i have had problems with it though suffering bad depression and alcaholism in the past thats when i turn to the church and they helped me with boththat was 3 years ago thats when i got baptized but i have always believed in god since i can remember which was quite strange because no one else around me did

There are atheist that are closer to God then some religious people...is why I asked you of your nature. Its not about believing, its about knowing what is a more productive way for all. We act in certain ways depending on what we serve, do we serve ourselves or others around us? There are some atheist that are very much service to others...and they will have their reward for what they knew and understood but wont be judge for not believing something they couldnt see. Some dont seek God because they are not ready to look at themselves. There are many ways and reasons.

If the atheist were right...and there was no God...would all your good works be a waste of time?

reply to post by digby888


am a scientific believer that when I die it is over, I'll be buried or burned or whatever my surviving people decide to do. Jesus will not have had anything to do with how I lived my life. Yet I do unto others and turn the other cheek every chance I get. I am fortunate. I am willing to put a smile on my face to those who are down. Walk down the street and say hello to a stranger or just smile at them without needing to get a point across it's free and you're able to do it with out commitment.

Religious folks often need to make believers out of everyone they come in contact with. Maybe if preaching is their thing try preaching about inner goodness, believing in ones self, encourage peace and world tranquility.

A man once asked me, “So you’re and atheist?” I told him, “No, was a bootiest.” He said “You mean, Buddhist.” I said “No bootiest, I worship the booty.” I offended him so badly he didn’t speak to me for several weeks. The point is religious folks are so wrapped up in conversion that the lighter sides of their lives are lost on focusing on what could be the biggest hoax of all time.

Cheers WilliMote