Originally posted by Saint Exupery
I see you ignored the other picture I posted, too:

But the two pictures are not really the same. In your picture, both shadows are elongated, because the sun is low in the horizon and the surface is curved. In the moon picture, the astronaut's shadow is not elongated like the rest of the shadows in the picture.

Originally posted by masterp
I cannot see the slope. Can you? can anyone else see it?

I've never been any good at resolving cross-eye stereograms. I cropped & formatted the two photos for use in a Holmes Stereoscope. Yes, the slope is definitely there.

Originally posted by masterp
But the two pictures are not really the same. In your picture, both shadows are elongated, because the sun is low in the horizon and the surface is curved. In the moon picture, the astronaut's shadow is not elongated like the rest of the shadows in the picture.

Yes, there's also grass and bushes in my picture. I wasn't attempting to exactly duplicate the Apollo photos. You asked why the shadows weren't parallel. The answer is a combination of perspective and uneven terrain.

If you don't believe me, do experiments of your own - with the sun angle & terrain that you think is appropriate - and post them here.

Originally posted by masterp


I cannot see the slope. Can you? can anyone else see it?

I can, pretty clearly.

Can you explain how this picture would have been taken otherwise?

BTW the title for this thread is "how NASA has staged Apollo Moon Mission". I was hoping to find a detailed explanation of how NASA could fake not only the photos and video but the detailed telemetry and communication data.

I have yet to see any hoax believer come up with even a reasonable suggestion for this. i would love for someone to show me how it could be done because its a question i've asked numerous times and people seem to run a mile when they realise just how difficult it is to come up with a resonable explanation.

Originally posted by zvezdar
BTW the title for this thread is "how NASA has staged Apollo Moon Mission". I was hoping to find a detailed explanation of how NASA could fake not only the photos and video but the detailed telemetry and communication data.

I have yet to see any hoax believer come up with even a reasonable suggestion for this. i would love for someone to show me how it could be done because its a question i've asked numerous times and people seem to run a mile when they realise just how difficult it is to come up with a resonable explanation.

I second that request.

All the HBs do is try to poke holes in established facts, they never put forth a comprehensive explanation as to how the hoax happened.

Let's hear it.

Very interesting points all over the topic, I will add something:

1. It is "better" to send humans to an unknown territory than robots because of the decision-making human brain. Among all of the 10.000 things you can think of which can go wrong, those you can NOT think of should scare you most. There is no problem to find volunteers, human nature is an exploring one, hell I would go there to see the Moon right away.

2. They already had the technology just to "be" in space (life support, shielding, ...) so to extend it for a Moon mission is a little problem, but solvable. And anyone would go there even if it was a one way trip.

However, what you do NOT want to see is primetime live mass suicide mission authorized by the government seen by millions all over the world.

You guys are extremists Either is every moon rock and photo fake, or we were there. Have you ever considered an intriguing possibility that the "Hollywood studio moon recording" was a backup plan presented to the public while the actual astronauts had bigger privacy while visiting the unimaginable ? Only God knows what happened there and why are we today seeing a possible mix of a real moon footage and some studio-crap.

If I were a supervisor of such a mission here on Earth, I would certainly make sure that IF THE NATION IS WATCHING (and the world) I dont care how the mission ends, my guys will end up like heroes one way or another. In case sth went wrong, we can still FAKE the landing and orchestrate a fictious failure on way BACK and pretend we at least TOUCHED the moon.

3.the moon rocks are quite real. I am a scientist, physicist actually. And I know the precision in the community. Trust me, the world does not like you (Americans ) that much, to let you walk the Earth around with fake moon rocks. Someone would spot it. Unless we have already alien world leaders in every government and a huge world conspiracy, there is no reason why the moon rocks should be fake - we still want to explore the universe, remember ? There is the tech to bring it to the Earth and that is exactly what was done. (of course some as.sface can fake moon rocks like the room-temperature superconductivity, but these are individuals who love speculations and have nothing to do with government, NASA, Moon and the whole thing)

You are very right about the observation that the moon rocks do not prove human entities on Moon - exactly. But if you ask me, I really think some folk just took it from there and conveniently the old-fashion way, put it into the craft and returned back. Today it is done by robots without doubt. Hell, they had a radioactive mossbauer spectrometer on Mars to examine the rocks right there on place. It is quite convenient to send the whole laboratory gadgets there and just exchange results, which are easily evaluated back here.

Maybe we will never know which of the Apollos have actually seen some action and which not. As far as 1969 Moon Landing is concerned, it does not fit. Either there was a huge backup public plan or some well-hidden dark truth or maybe sth even more sinister. Anyway, the only way to figure it out is step-by-step evaluation of rocks, photos, testimonies, looking for weak spots, changes in the story during the years, etc. and it is up to us guys..... to bother to systematically collect and doubt, but please be open-minded and do not focus on just one version what YOU believe happened....

And sometimes I wanna cry because one man can spend his whole life pursuing the only puzzle that matters to him and maybe even solve it.... and there will still be those (simply from the definition) who will stick to the official story at all costs because they live in the Middle Ages and everything what is SAID must necessarily be true... Well, it is not, is it ?