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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 07:32 PM
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Hello ATS, my name is Brandon and I am 17.


I just listened to John Lennon's song Imagine, something i hadn't heard since i was really young. When I listen to it, it reminds me of what a lot of people here on ATS are about. Oneness. No countries, no mind games, just us.

It comforts me that although I am surrounded by people who can't understand my goal, or ignore the responsibility of what i am doing, There are still people out there trying to accomplish the same thing at a grass roots level.

Its hard sometimes to live in a dual reality, and saying that even contradicts my mind. When i say dual reality, i mean thinking on one hand, my life is about getting through school and getting a decent life to support me and my family, on the other, it is to completely ignore anything that has to do with that and start focusing on changing myself, not to benefit myself, but to set an example.


I still even think I am way over my head, and i am happy/sad to say that i have already demolished my old life. I left school, work, friends, lovers, to be with my Self.

Not even a year ago my life was about having a girlfriend my friends would be jelous over, having the next generation Ipod, and getting great marks so i can be an extremely rich person when i grow up. AND I WAS DOING IT! i had all 95% and above in class, thousands of dollars, and a very beautiful, caring girlfriend.

I gave it all away. I literally gave all the stuff in my room away to my brother, gave my money to one of my sisters in need, told my girlfriend i could not be with her because i had to do something, and left highschool because it was of no benefit in my new goal. if i use my old way of thinking, i completely f@#ked my life up. if i use my new way of thinking, i see that i am on the right track.


Then i heard Johns song. No more dual reality, no more wondering if i am on the right track, no more anything! I do what i do because it really makes me happy. and what makes me happy is making as many people as possible happy without recognition.

I now see this, i now see i have an opportunity to become a renegade, someone who will induce change for the benefit of the whole. In the words of Lennon, "You may say i am a dreamer, but I'm not the only one".



Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]




posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:06 PM
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Yeah, that's a great song. They played Joan Baez singing 'Imagine' at my mom's funeral (she died 13 years ago today).

I take it you've read Siddhartha?

Your intentions/ motives seem pure, but don't forget that all extremes are usually flawed. Sometimes you have to be within the system to effect change, more-so theses days. None of us are Jesus, you know?

Best,
Skunknuts

[edit on 1/2/2010 by skunknuts]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:08 PM
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Never read it before.
Thanks for the reply

I looked at Jesus, and saw something pretty interesting. Yes, we are not him, but its what he did. He wasn't some special guy with that kind of attitude, he chose that. A choice we all have. Yeah, you can ignore that responsibility because it clearly is not anyones. but where does this leave us? an irresponsible world.

I agree that an extremest is never good. but in this case, what is mild?

[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]

[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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Well, you can go back if you change your mind.

But since you brought it up... (1st paragraph) Here's "Mind Games"

We're playing those mind games together
Pushing the barriers planting seeds
Playing the mind guerrilla
Chanting the Mantra peace on earth
We all been playing those mind games forever
Some kinda druid dudes lifting the veil
Doing the mind guerrilla
Some call it magic the search for the grail

Love is the answer and you know that for sure
Love is a flower you got to let it grow

So keep on playing those mind games together
Faith in the future out of the now
You just can't beat on those mind guerrillas
Absolute elsewhere in the stones of your mind
Yeah we're playing those mind games together
Projecting our images in space and in time

Yes is the answer and you know that for sure
Yes is surrender you got to let it go

So keep on playing those mind games together
Doing the ritual dance in the sun
Millions of mind guerrillas
Putting their soul power to the karmic wheel
Keep on playing those mind games together
Raising the spirit of peace and love
(I want you to make love, not war
I know you've heard it before)



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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I like the song but the premise is too Utopian. I prefer a more pragmatic outlook on life.




Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world


This would be awesome if only it were remotely possible.



You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Even though I think it would be a great place to be, I get flashbacks from books I have read by the very author I have in my avatar



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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Another couch philosopher, I love it!

You ditch your ipod, girlfriend, money, etc, but keep your computer/internet.

This thread reminds of the person who got rid of their T.V. So what? If you have to get rid of all of your material items, which are fun at times, how does that make your point any more valid? All it shows to me is a lack of self control.

I will keep my friends. Stay in school. Play my games. Why?

Because I want to be able to make some money, have fun on a rainy day, and be able to play some ball with my buds. It is fun.

Sorry if that is to fake for you.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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Not fake, just empty.

I didn't mean to offend you in anyway.


[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:19 PM
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Of course, there are a bunch of idiots on here that think that the message Lennon extols in 'Imagine' is actually NWO propaganda, not its total antithesis.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I guess that's what happens when one's head is so full of teabags that they don't understand that there are differences between socialism, Buddhism, Nazism, communism, Marxism, fascism, etc. Then again, I guess thinking is for thinkers.....

Best,
Skunknuts



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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My 2 cents is that people can name things, assume things, there is mine yours and the truth.

I try to keep it very, very simple. we are all people, and there is nothing but ourselves separating each other by playing the name and blame game.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by gandhi
reply to post by FritosBBQTwist
 


Not fake, just empty.

I didn't mean to offend you in anyway.


[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]


My life is not empty either, nor did you offend me.

I am truly sick of this anti-materialist movement by people who...use "material" items themselves!

I-pods are fun. So what? Why the hell do people think someone with a bit of technology is living life in bliss.

Want to know my opinion (I will tell you whether or not.)? People are upset with their own life's and are looking for acceptance for their new one, free from the terrors of our world! (sarcasm)

That is what I think.

You said it perfect in the opening post. He is a dreamer. AKA - get real.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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John Lennon =


As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so #ing crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still #ing peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

As for giving away all of your possessions, hmm. I've never understood that idea. Jesus once said, "it is easier for a camel to thread through the eye of a needle in a sandstorm, than it is for a rich man to enter heaven" and told the rich young man to sell all his possessions and give to the poor.

Why should we feel bad for having a bit of deserved luxury? Is happiness a sin now?

Give me my chocolate brown Rolls Royce and fur coats any day of the week



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Obviously you have some maturing to do. if your just in this thread to state your opinion over everyone else's, you've missed the point. Yes, things are fun, i can agree with that. Can you rise above that? Is what i am getting at. AKA - Not being primitive.

We have risen above our nature physically, now i think its time mentally.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Some material possessions are necessary, and some are fun--nothing wrong with that. However, the rampant soulless materialism that characterizes our society is sickening, as well.\\

Best,
SN



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:38 PM
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To me, there is no such thing as good or bad. its the persons perspective.


Giving all my stuff away showed me something, once i was a kind of guy that tried to get everything he wanted, when ever he wanted. now i do that for the fellow person.

I am not trying to tell people to follow me, but to show them there is more than your 5 senses and the needs that come with it. What if giving was a need? Well, it is, and its mine. Until you get over the "hump" of materialism, which you DO NOT HAVE TO, you see there is a little more than you saw before.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:44 PM
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Sorry about my posts and if they seem a little...mean. I do not mean to be, but some people are so far away from where i am, (not ahead nor behind) that comprehending what i am saying is not easy, or is not comprehended in the way i intended. This; is my fault.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by gandhi
reply to post by FritosBBQTwist
 


Obviously you have some maturing to do. if your just in this thread to state your opinion over everyone else's, you've missed the point. Yes, things are fun, i can agree with that. Can you rise above that? Is what i am getting at. AKA - Not being primitive.

We have risen above our nature physically, now i think its time mentally.


If I am immature in your eyes I do not care. I am here to state my opinion - whether it is above yours is up to you.

Can I rise above things that are fun and stop being primitive? Apparently I am still missing your point. Care to elaborate what you are actually asking for again because like I stated, I am perfectly happy with my life. What is it you want me to do exactly?

And on a side note, this is why all Utopian philosophies fail (which is what John Lennon's song is about). A Utopia would only work if everyone held the same ideals which is just crazy. I am a power hungry, competitive monster, but I still do not step on heads while on my way up (or down).

So try to answer my questions/debate my points because I hate the "you just do not understand it" approach. We come to a forum to discuss. If the world all agreed on everything, we would already be in this Utopia.

edit - And after reading your last post regarding materialism I must say this. Wouldn't you consider a computer material? The internet? A book? Anything you use for fun? This brings up my initial point regarding the two-sidedness in the opposition of material objects (which by my definition is anything we do not need to survive, which is practically everything except water, food, and shelter).

[edit on 2-1-2010 by FritosBBQTwist]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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Is a computer materialistic? sure, do i need it? no, do i want it? no, would i give it away if anyone asked? yeah.

I am unsure of what you are asking me though.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Just because I own a few possessions doesn't mean I am materialistic. I can be a 'good' person and own a mobile phone. Although perspective counts for a lot, there is still such thing as 'good' and 'bad' in the grand scheme of things.

Adolf Hitler = Bad.
Spinal Tap = Good.



I gave it all away. I literally gave all the stuff in my room away to my brother, gave my money to one of my sisters in need, told my girlfriend i could not be with her because i had to do something, and left highschool because it was of no benefit in my new goal. if i use my old way of thinking, i completely f@#ked my life up. if i use my new way of thinking, i see that i am on the right track.


And what track is that then?

No money, check.
No possessions, check.
No girlfriend, check.
No advanced education, check.





posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 09:00 PM
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No care for any of that, check.

More happiness than i no what to do with, check.

A purpose in life, and have accepted that death will come, check.

If i saw anyone about to die, and i could save them by filling myself in their place, there is no question, i would do it without thinking twice.

Is this "Normal"? absolutely not. but its my choice. not something i learned to do.

And i agree, the day will come where i will change this way slightly in order to better adapt to the environment. The problem is right now, i am unable to comprehend what that will be, i can only wait. But knowing it will come is the main part, allowing for correction and change.

[edit on 2-1-2010 by gandhi]



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by gandhi
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Is a computer materialistic? sure, do i need it? no, do i want it? no, would i give it away if anyone asked? yeah.

I am unsure of what you are asking me though.


Then give it away and never post here again (no I am not saying that in an insulting manner).

Talk is cheap.

You know what the difference between the real Gandhi and you? He practiced what he preached. So far, all I see is a motivational speaker...which is good for people who can't pick themselves up (more than half of this nation).



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