Originally posted by seagull
For our words to have any meaning politically, they must be backed by the perception, or reality, of violence.
That's a fact...Take a look at how the various English Nobility got the King to sign the Magna Carta in 1215. It is probably accurate to say that the
Magna Carta was a direct-line ancestor to the Declaration of Independence & the American Constitutional Republic...
That's one of the key points in the 2nd Amendment...The knowledge that We the People have the ability & the means
to resist an oppressive
government and/or to enforce lawful change "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter
or to abolish it, and to institute new Government."
Originally posted by autowrench
POLICEMAN: PASSENGERS KNOW THE CONSTITUTION AND ARE HEAVILY ARMED.
VEHICLE NOT FOR HIRE. DETAIN AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Hmmm...To use the terminology on the lawbooks that would put you & your car outside of Statutory jurisdiction:
POLICEMAN: TRAVELER & GUESTS IN THIS AUTOMOBILE KNOW THE CONSTITUTION. AUTOMOBILE NOT USED IN COMMERCE. COMMIT UNLAWFUL DETAINMENT AT OWN RISK.
Yes, it is
lawful to carry your Arms in your Automobile, as long as you are not engaging in any commercial activity that crosses the boundaries
of your State or travel onto Federal property (such as a military base or other federal land. It's also probably not wise to give public notice to
the fact on the bumper sticker.
The key to those terms in law; "Vehicles" are commercial in nature...In your privately owned automobile
, you are not engaged in any
commercial activity (ie: using public roads for seeking profit or gain). If you use your personal
transportation in the course of your
then don't put such a sticker on the car in the first place. "Passengers" are customers paying for you to transport them, but
are invited along for free. "Drivers" or "Operators" are required to be licensed, but travelers
are merely exercising their
Right to Travel Freely on public roads & to transport personal belongings.
All of those traffic regulations & such are Statutory laws or Codes. Statutory laws are very limited in jurisdiction & carry less "weight" than the
Supreme Law of the Land; If they are not directly derived
from Common Law, then they carry a more limited jurisdiction. If Statutes (or
Treaties) are enforced to a point where Civil Rights are violated, then they are void
. They cannot lawfully detain you unless you are
committing an actual Crime...That is to say, as long as you are not injuring someone, destroying someone else's property, disturbing the public peace
or otherwise violating anyone else's Equal Rights under the Law.
The Rights included in the Constitution, Bill of Rights & (thanks to the 9th Amendment) the Common Law are all of greater legal weight
Statute, Code, or Ordinance. By Supreme Court ruling, Lawful Exercise of Rights can never be converted into a Crime. A Rightful traveler
obligation under the law to confirm identity, give any kind of information or accept/sign anything offered by a police officer, lest that officer
risks his job & the bond on his office
for acting in Breech of Oath of Office.
If stopped, just be reasonably polite, but make it clear that you are not granting your consent to be unlawfully detained. That officer has very
little choice, without risking his job; He must let you go or arrest you for something, but it has to be a lawful
arrest, not based on any
Statute. After informing him of your lack
of consent, just keep repeating two questions: "Am I under arrest?" & "Will you allow me to go?"
The longer he tries to detain you, then inform him of your Rightful status as a traveler & that he's risking his job & bond by acting in Breech of
Oath, then repeat those two questions. In order to press home your point, also ask him for his name, badge number, his precinct, the name of his
Commanding Officer & the name of the company that holds his Bond of Office...Write it down.
Say nothing else & agree to nothing he tells you to do; don't even answer "yes" or "no" to any questions. Even if you're dragged out of your
car, don't get violent
. If you know your Rights & the Due Process of Law, you'll be able to nail his job to the wall & slap a lien on his
Bond of Office; As an added bonus, he'll be permanently disqualified for holding any
Office Under Public Trust & can be indicted in an Article
3 Court under Common Law for any violations to your Rights. You may even be able to sue further for loss of time, humiliation in a public setting,
damage to your personal reputation & who knows what else? If he impounds your car, you can nail him for violating the 4th Amendment (unlawful seizure)
as well as all costs incurred to get your car back. It would depend mostly on his actions during the arrest. In short, make it very clear that you
will make it much more expensive
on the city & the officer than what the city could gain by levying any fines on you. The court will most
likely take the cheapest
Originally posted by richierich
Mere talk, unless it is a threat meant to inspire fear or likley to be acted upon, is NOT criminal and cannot be.
So, when Bush was fear-mongering in Congress to push the Patriot Act through Congress when they didn't even have opportunity to read it
that means Bush is a criminal, doesn't it? So why does Obama refuse
to "faithfully execute the laws" as per his Oath of Office & bring Bush
to justice? Wouldn't letting Bush go unchallenged mean that Obama is "giving aid & comfort" according to the Constitutional definition of Treason?
After all, Obama can still issue a Pardon, but only after
a Guilty judgment...Pardons cannot be used for those judged as innocent.
[edit on 14-1-2010 by MidnightDStroyer]