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Originally posted by CharlesMartel
If you want to revolt, I recommend you follow the example of people of East Germany and Czechoslovakia when they opened their borders just over 20 years ago. On thing they read was Romans 13 which was written when the Roman Empire was much more hostile to Christians than East Germany and Czechoslovakia were.
We the People of the United States... ...do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Originally posted by moonzoo7
The wolves are constantly outside our door, and more frequently as of late they make their way into the house. What are we to do? Assassinate our leaders and then, with no other recourse, turn on ourselves? Really? Then appoint our "Might Makes Right" brothers and sisters as our new masters? Is this scenario realistic?
Originally posted by moonzoo7
A member who goes by the name Minigunner stated in this thread that he may not personally like or approve of the policies of his Commander In Chief, but he has sworn an oath to protect and serve his country and it's duly-elected leader(s).
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by MidnightDStroyer
All you seem to talk about is a revolution that's going to throw away the Constitution, not restore it. Have you really been ignoring what's been said all this time?
I haven't been ignoring it, I just don't believe it. I do believe that a right wing revolution in this country would completely destroy the constitution. This is evidenced by endisnighe's posts here, and here
Originally posted by whatukno
I work, I pay taxes, I pay into both social security and medicare. Are any of you going to tell me that when you decide to take over the government that the money I invested will be taken from me?
Originally posted by whatukno
I do worry that if the extreme right start a civil war in this country those that they deem "not a contributing member of society" will end up as slaves to those that the extreme right feel worthy. Given endisnighe's replacement of the 13th Amendment in his manifesto linked above. That is exactly what will happen.
Originally posted by Fromabove
Now, while treason is a crime. calling for the abolishment of a government that is oppressive in nature and no longer by and for the people is not.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court
Originally posted by Kaploink
As you can see, attempting to organize such groups is considered illegal.
18 U.S.C. § 2385 : US Code - Section 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government
Originally posted by billyjack
Is ACORN going to count the votes or will there be a crisis to postpone the 2010 election?
I notice that you merely picked one person's opinions & still ignore the majority of others who speak otherwise. For another example of the the peaceful restoration of the Constitution, check out the CC 2009, which is getting an increasing amount of support. In their Articles of Freedom, they make a big point about not initiating violent revolution AND restoring the Constitution, not amending it. By citing only one example, you still display the tendency to ignore everything else & ascribe that one opinion to be "universal" rather than individual.
Both of those socialist programs were instituted as Ponzi scams (not "insurance" of any kind) & they were never administrated any differently from being a scam. In case you haven't realized it yet, the Social Security fund has already been long-spent & holds nothing but Congressional IOU's;
You even misread what he writes, even after quoting it...All he's saying that if it was thrown out by illegal means, then it should be restored to it's lawful place. You've got a bad habit of putting your words into other peoples' mouths. Too self-opinionated to even see what's right in front of your eyes. He's not calling for the return of slavery ("overwriting" the current 13th Amendment, like you assume), but to just put things in their proper order. That's how you Deny Ignorance?
Elect true representatives? Do you honestly believe I have a chance in hell of ever becoming President?
I firmly believe that armed conflict is the last desperate actions of desperate men. Unfortunately, I also see far too many good words falling on deaf ears and can therefore see the desperation growing in some. Maybe it is because I am too sympathetic to the people I see around me. Maybe because I have seen too many fail to see their own self-worth evaporate into boring bits of conformity. Or maybe it is because I have seen what quite a few have done with their lives when people believe in them and they have gone on to be celebrities.
Would you at least admit that the Founders left armed revolt as an option to the People, if all peaceable means fail? If not, then I have some quotes that I believe will change your opinion
As for my running, would you endorse a candidate that has never been elected to so much as a dog catcher? So much is made of a person's experience as a qualification. Yet no newly elected first term President has ever held the office. It is an on the job training situation.
And if violence is the mark of incompetence, this country was founded and nurtured by some of the most incompetent people of history. Therefore making your support of this country quite the contradiction. Those people commonly stood out in a field or street and shot at each with full intent to kill on the slightest besmirch to their character and integrity.
Care to expound upon this? I don't actually think changing it the right way is possible any more. Everyone in office, right now, ispart of the problem, and birds of a feather, do tend to stick together.
You have to understand who we're talking about here. We're talking about the People, whom find it more entertaining to vote on the next American Idol winner than to vote for the next POTUS, let alone get involved in their local, state, or federal politics.
Now, if voting on bills were as easy as voting for an American Idol, I wonder how people would handle that?!?!?
Makes me wonder why a system like that hasn't come up yet...
Well, if that is the case than the people that are angry at the government have seriously misplaced their anger now haven't they?