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Originally posted by Granite
reply to post by moonzoo7
Can you site any historical example where appeasement was the right decision?
Your experience isn't elloborated in your OP.
Some of us may even come over to your camp if we can read about the successful cases.
[edit on 2-1-2010 by Granite]
All you seem to talk about is a revolution that's going to throw away the Constitution, not restore it. Have you really been ignoring what's been said all this time?
None of those socialist programs are within the lawful authority of the federal government to enact...That would be up to each State (& its own constitution) & the People, as per the 10th Amendment.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Article I, Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Who is this "extreme right" that you refer to?
I have heard they exist, like ghosts. There are supposed to be a lot of them in Texas. I live in Texas. Am I extreme?
On NPR.org, I have witnessed this "general welfare" argument used to justify the taking of my money by various agents of the federal government to use as they see fit. This is not how the founders of our republic intended "general welfare" to be interpreted. The fact that you use it in such a way tells me you know little about our republic. FYI. No one likes to see others suffer. This is the age old method collectivists, (the ideology you adhere to), have taken to rob the productive people of their wealth. They pretend that they care more about the suffering. I am sure you are a missionary that has paused from a long day of administering food and aid to the poor to post here.
SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are BROKE! It is now a PONZEII scheme.
13 The Original 13th Amendment will be researched and if found to be thrown out illegally, it will be reinstated. This is in regards to the holding of Titles of Nobility and the holding of dual citizenship. Anyone with dual citizenship shall not be allowed to hold ANY office in our country.
Originally posted by Jibblin
It's our god-given right to be able to overthrow a tyrannical government.
Originally posted by Kaploink
I have to agree with the OP on this. The topics that were encouraging the creation of an army to overthrow the government by force are getting very close to that fine line of what is and isn't legal.
As you can see, attempting to organize such groups is considered illegal.
18 U.S.C. § 2385 : US Code - Section 2385: Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof
Jibblin: Is this legal enough for you, or do you have a seperate "Natural Law" set of standards that simply transcend binding legislation?
[edit on 5-1-2010 by moonzoo7]