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Originally posted by Ahabstar
So after 18 pages of back and forth what would you do:
What would you do if you saw an armed group going towards DC?
What would you do if you heard a news story of a group of terrorists/gang members/fill-in-the-blank had been slaughtered en mass by the US military or even Capitol Police?
What would you do if there was a sudden roll out of new laws without an accompanying news story of a rebellion put down?
What would you do if you saw a task force drag away your neighbor?
What would you do if more vocal members of ATS just suddenly stopped posting and had no bans or warnings?
What would you do if you were stopped on the street to answer questions to a survey that seemed to ask questions of a patriotic nature?
What would you do if you suspected the interviewer to have a government job (police/DHS/FBI/CIA/etc)?
What would you do if when you came home there were officers raiding your house and they apologized and said they had the wrong address and were supposed to be raiding a drug house a few blocks away?
The whole discussion brings to mind a truck I saw in the 80's with "I hate Japs" spelled out in the black and gold stickers that you use to put your name on a mailbox. It was on the back window of the bed cap. The owner was a WWII vet. Probably lost a few buddies during the war in the Pacific Theater. At the time Japanese businesses were buying up many things in the US.
So was the guy a racist fool or just a man speaking his mind? How you answer that question may have some bering on how you answer the above questions, how you were educated and how you view those that express their dissent by speaking of revolution.
The funny thing about all those programs mentioned in a few posts, up until the past 100 years (give or take) this country ran without them. Personal wealth still grew. Politicians were still crooks. The difference was that people had pride in themselves, their families and their communities. People talked to their neighbors and undesired things were removed or changed. Heck, I even have heard tell that a few of them got together and defeated the mightiest military in the world a couple times.
As for myself, I would rather hear people talk about things I could care less about then have them not be able to talk at all. Even if it is sitting on a bus and having to listen to two women sitting behind me go on and on about purses, dresses and shoes.
But if you are looking for armed rebellion; give those two women guns and tell them to shut up about their shopping.
[edit on 4-1-2010 by Ahabstar]
Originally posted by sealteamsix
An armed revolution would do much more harm than good.
A revolutionary, deep down inside, has to realize this. Yes, you and your "brothers" may be armed and ready to overthrow our government and create a new "better" one, but at what cost? There will be just as many people who will violently uphold our government. As an ex-military man, I took an oath. An oath to defend this country against all threats, foreign and domestic. Though no longer in the service, you bet I would go head to head with revolutionaries, and by golly I know MANY more of my fellow soldiers who would do the same.
Essentially, if such a thing happened, the nation would be split in two. Not Republican and Democrat junk, I mean split VIOLENTLY. The entire infrastructure of our nation would be terminated. It would be mass chaos.
How can you revolutionaries really believe everything is going to go "picture perfect" and life will just go on all nice and dandy? Do you have any idea the destruction and death that would ensue in order to overthrow the government? You will destroy this country, and have to rebuild it from the ground up. And don't give me that "How do you think the country was started?" crap, because times are a changin' and it's not that easy anymore. It would leave whatever 'nation' is left standing extremely vulnerable. There would be no order. People would go into "primal mode" and just do whatever they needed to survive.
There are so many things wrong with a violent revolution these days that it's not even funny. It's plain crazy to see people talk about it.
Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by seagull
Revolutions without violence and are bloodless are the most beautiful in the history of mankind.
Which members fail to understand.
It's illegal to call for the armed over-throw of our government, as well as for advancing the idea of killing the President. We are a Nation of Laws for a reason.
You don't like how the last election turned out? Become more politically active. Are all politicians inherently corrupt? Run for office and give us someone who is honest. You don't like the current administration's legislation? Draft some legislation and present that to your elected Representatives, but please stop whining and threatening violence. At least here. Say whatever you want down in your bunker or in the church parking lot.
If anyone else here feels the way I do about this, please speak up and lend me some support. I know there must be other people here who feel the way I do about this issue. If you disagree with me, fine, we are fellow citizens and I have thick skin. I can handle it. If you just want to trash me because I've spoken from my heart, then insert your favorite bone-cutting insult here and apply it to yourself.
Well, my two cents here. You who have read me know I am against war of any kind, and as far as armed insurrection within the United States, and calling for the murder of anyone, is morally and ethically wrong. I too have noticed some of the rhetoric here, in certain threads. There are some here that hate even the idea of a Black man for president, and few Christians realize that their savior is Black man too. But to call for the death of a standing president doesn't sit well with me, I remember too well the day President Kennedy was killed in Dallas. A thing like that shocks the nation, I am here to tell you it does. What we need to realize is that President Obama is, IMHO, is doing the best he can in these times we live in. I realize that he doesn't really have a lot of real power, unless Executive Orders give him that power. For a standing president to give him/her self power over the Congress of the United States like GWB did is a traitor to the Constitution. I really believe Obama should do away with GWB's Executive Orders, and follow the Constitution he is bound by oath to protect and defend. And another thing, you spoke of "doing something" in the voting booth? Well, that is al well and fine, but we need to do away with the Electoral College, and make every vote count. Until we do that, voting is a waste of time, presidents are selected, not elected.
Originally posted by DaMod
I will say this in re: to the comments made by the OP.
It is one thing to ask for or promote revolution. It is another thing entirely to talk about whether it is a possibility for the future. I really think the latter needs to be discussed as it will effect every American here if it comes to pass.
For those that want a revolution.... Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.