reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It is his tactic, interrupt, distract, and derail. He is best on ignore.
That much being said, I enjoyed reading the entire thread. Yes, I read it all. Well, ok except the few posts beneath this one...
I would like to interject one thought into this. If there were not unrest that was felt nationwide to some degree, then why have the states gone so
far as to take moves to reconfirm their state rights?
Lets take a look at a few of these, shall we? Washington was one of my favorites, as it directly addresses Obama. Now, before you go off half cocked
and start accusing me of things, just read the text:
TO THE HONORABLE BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND
2 TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE AND THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF
3 REPRESENTATIVES, AND TO THE SENATE AND HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE
4 UNITED STATES, IN CONGRESS ASSEMBLED, AND TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
5 SENATE AND SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF EACH STATE'S
6 LEGISLATURE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
We, your Memorialists, the Senate and House of Representatives of
8 the State of Washington, in legislative session assembled, respectfully
9 represent and petition as follows:
10 WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
11 States specifically provides that, "The powers not delegated to the
12 United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
13 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
14 WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal
15 power as being those powers specifically granted to it by the
16 Constitution of the United States and no more; and
17 WHEREAS, Federalism is the constitutional division of powers
18 between the national and state governments and is widely regarded as
19 one of America's most valuable contributions to political science; and
1 WHEREAS, James Madison, "the father of the Constitution," said,
2 "The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined.
3 Those which are to remain in the state governments are numerous and
4 indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external
5 objects, [such] as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce. The
6 powers reserved to the several states will extend to all the objects
7 which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties,
8 and properties of the people."; and
9 WHEREAS, Thomas Jefferson emphasized that the states are not
10 "subordinate" to the national government, but rather the two are
11 "coordinate departments of one simple and integral whole. The one is
12 the domestic, the other the foreign branch of the same government.";
14 WHEREAS, Alexander Hamilton expressed his hope that "the people
15 will always take care to preserve the constitutional equilibrium
16 between the general and the state governments." He believed that "this
17 balance between the national and state governments forms a double
18 security to the people. If one [government] encroaches on their
19 rights, they will find a powerful protection in the other. Indeed,
20 they will both be prevented from overpassing their constitutional
21 limits by [the] certain rivalship which will ever subsist between
22 them."; and
23 WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means
24 that the federal government was created by the states specifically to
25 be limited in its powers relative to those of the various states; and
26 WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as
27 agents of the federal government; and
28 WHEREAS, Many federal mandates are directly in violation of the
29 Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
30 WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v.
31 United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply
32 commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
33 WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations and
34 some now being considered by the present administration and from
35 Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States;
36 NOW, THEREFORE, Your Memorialists respectfully resolve:
37 (1) That the State of Washington hereby claims sovereignty under
1 the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all
2 powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government
3 by the Constitution of the United States; and
4 (2) That this serve as a Notice and Demand to the federal
5 government to maintain the balance of powers where the Constitution of
6 the United States established it and to cease and desist, effective
7 immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of its
8 constitutionally delegated powers.
9 BE IT RESOLVED, That copies of this Memorial be immediately
10 transmitted to the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United
11 States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the
12 House of Representatives, the President of the Senate and the Speaker
13 of the House of Representatives of each state's legislature of the
14 United States of America, and each member of Congress from the State of
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Now, I would like to state a few things.
I think Obama was directly named in this, as there were strong suspicions that some of the moves that have been made - would be. I also feel that he
was named directly in this so as to allow no room for discussion on exactly who they were talking about. It is all spelled out right there for you.
No quibbling about that, so if and when it comes time for Washingtonians to assert their 10th ammendment rights - there will be no doubt as to what
the interpretted cause was, and who did it.
If you read the text of this bill, it defines quite succinctly the dilineation of the seperation of power from the states and the Federal Government,
and if and when the states determine the Federal Government has overstepped it's bounds, it will act and react.
Such has been done also in Wyoming, and many other states. In fact, the 10th ammendment assertion from New Hampshire was called "The Shot Heard
'Round The World", and that was in 2009.
Do not fool yourselves for a moment into thinking that any revolution would be "unarmed" or "undefended", becuase as it stands right now, if my
recollections are correct, 38 states have now defined their stance against the Federal Government.
If and when it comes down to it, do not think for a moment that a state would not defend its citizens, and do not think that all military would fire
upon their own. In fact, we have the Oath Keepers as testament to that fact.
Now, having stated this, I believe the first front in any movement is to start with the state, and the citizens should empower their state
representatives to move forward and to do the right thing. Seek out the writers of these ammendment confirmations, and make sure they know that you
appreciate and stand behind their assessment. If you do not, then be sure to tell them that also, but expect them to adhere to the rights of the many
over the rights of a few.
The worry I think that many have is that the many are becoming the few, and feel that their rights are slipping away, and that no one is listening. If
this is how you feel, the find an advocate that is standing for what you believe in and promote them, and encourage others to do the same.
Never should an armed movement seem innappropriate if, as others have said, it is as a last resort, as outlined by our founders.
I have seen a lot of quotes, but I think one that is most important of all is this:
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.