Is this the United States that Obama wants?

This video talks about unions, public employees, environment, all the buzzwords that Obama and his people are pushing onto us.

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Any comments against the content of this video are welcome.

reply to post by ProudFossil




Here you go I embeded it for you.

When you embed, copy the whole thing from the embed spot & paste it in the youtube box on ATS. Then delete everything up to and including the v=. Then delete everything after _US&fs. Make sure you don't delete the "yvid" stuff. Then check it out in preview before posting.

It works pretty good for me.

Edit to add:

Great vid, S&F.

Does a great job of showing what happens to a city when constantly controlled by leftist politicians and Unions who are allowed to run their companies into the ground.

[edit on 2-1-2010 by FortAnthem]

Sorry for my ignorance here but hasn't Detroit always been a dump?

Watching Robocop as a child, it was always depicted as a dump.. How is that Obama's fault?

reply to post by Dermo


Did you even watch the vid?

Prior to the 1960's Detroit had one of the highest per-capita incomes in the nation. In the 60's liberal poloticians and unions took over with their "utopian" ideals and drove this once great city strait into the gutter in no time flat.

1 . Steven Crowder is a conservative TOOL, Fox news signs his paychecks .. he is another right-wing BRAINWASHER .. spreading conservative propaganda ..

2. Detroit has always been a Hellhole .. Obama did not destroyed the city ..

3.He is talking about the school system ... well .. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ... not Obama's program ..

reply to post by Polynomial C


Careful poly, your ignorance is showing. I live near Detroit, worked for a decade for a company HQ'd in Detroit and have dozens of relatives in Detroit. In short, I have spent more time in Detroit than anyone who doesn't live there! I can attest to the fact that Detroit was not always a "hellhole"! In fact, Detroit, not many decades ago was a beautiful and thriving city.

I cannot blame Obama for Detroit's demise, however I can blame Democrat Liberal policies. Like Cleveland, and many other failing rust-belt cities, the Democrats have had a stranglehold on political leadership for decades that has led to countless companies leaving for business friendlier environs. In fact, here in Cleveland, I am unable to count the dozens of Fortune 1000 Headquarters that have been lost over the last 30 years - some notables include BP America, Sealy, Cole, Rubbermaid, GE Lighting, Premier Farnell and countless others. The price being paid is in spades - jobs, endowments, sponsorships, scholorships, investments and more jobs etc., from complementary businesses leaving the entire economy in the dumps.

Rather than fix the problem with bad political leadership, these cities plod along with the electorate believing the same old Democrat tripe about being for "workers" etc... In the meantime, things continue to decay!

On a final note... last I checked Obama was President and has had the power to do away with "No Child Left Behind" yet has done absolutely nothing to fix that terrible decision. So... at this point it IS HIS!

He's using a causality description of the plight of detroit being (democrats, socialism, unions, and promises from the groups). This guy can't have it both ways, he make comment that back in the day that Detroit was one of the richest cities in the US but then says that because of the policies back in those years it led to the blight that is here today. So he won't give credit to the same institutions that made Detroit what it is back then but will give them credit for what it has become. American cities and rural areas have been in the process of being de-industrialized for quite some time now. Because businesses have figured out that it's cheaper to build overseas and they are lax on their environmental laws. He said that the Unions didn't compromise, they did and that's a lie. What the companies did was to do the same thing that the federal and state govt. have done is to make big promises to the retires in the future in exchange of concessions in the present. They made sweetened deals on the back end in order to not have to pay anything barely on the front end. Because as we are seeing today and possible in the very near future, they knew that they weren't ever going to pay out on those promises. As long as the CEO and the board at the time got their bonuses and such, they could care less where the company is going and also the country and state.

Also how do you make a concession to a company that is willing to go to a country that they pay 1.32 an hour without medical. Even if the unions agreed to just minimum wage, the company would have still fought to go overseas. What he portrays as the fault of the "liberal" is more the fault of Capitalism, and what we are seeing is the 7th inning of what happens in a pure capitalism society. It ends up with a two and a half class system with the Oligarchs on top the police and govt. officials to keep the machine going in the middle and the half part and the rest of us in the lower class. What he doesn't say or see is that back in the late 1800's and early 1900's, capitalists could do what they want when they want and literally had their workers as their slaves (ever wondered how wage slave came about). Paying them next to nothing and workers living in squalid areas and with crime rampant (sounds familiar). And the govt. passed laws that where used to better the worker and the atrocities that where being done to them and our society. Many of those laws are being torn down or becoming irrelevant, today and so that lifestyle is coming back with a storm. What they are doing is using the ignorant and useful idiots of the country and the leadership to do this. The elite and wealthy know that many people never see themselves as being the fool or the idiot or the underclass, they consider themselves part of the team when in reality they aren't.

There using our delusions and aspirations to make us cut our own throats. Many of us are fat dumb and happy with our job and/or medicare we have and so I got mine, so F everybody else. As I stated before about the promises made to those workers, the same can be said for all the programs (to be honest are just as social if not more) that many people rely on when they are poor or old or injured. Eventually they will run out or they will cut them because they US is so overextended that they don't have the money for alot of their programs. It's not about their being some socialism, its about not having enough socialism in the right places. We are becoming a third world nation and Detroit and other rust belt states are the canaries in the coal mine. If you say that the dollar an hour is a fair wage and such and it's indicative to being a fair market then fine. The price of goods and services will have to be in proportion. A house having a value of 2 or 3 thousand dollars. A plasma screen television being worth 40 bucks, 300 dollars worth of groceries actually being worth 20 bucks etc. etc.. The companies don't want to pay a good wage but want a good profit, thats it.

Unless we invest in our country and build for the next century new technologies and such, we won't get out of this mess for decades if not ever.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
reply to post by Dermo

 

Did you even watch the vid?

Prior to the 1960's Detroit had one of the highest per-capita incomes in the nation. In the 60's liberal poloticians and unions took over with their "utopian" ideals and drove this once great city strait into the gutter in no time flat.

I sure did.

Interesting stuff but Leftist ideals have evolved quite a bit since the 60's & 70's.. the "Utopian" ideology has been proven to be unsustainable since the new age Socialism attempts in Sweden and Spain a few decades ago.. Social democratic capitalism began to emerge after that.. that has yet to hit the hardship that the Anglo Saxon Capital investment system regularly comes across.

And Barack Obama did show up 20 years after it started to go downhill after all..

So if the ideology has changed, the definition of 'Left' has evolved and Barack Obama showed up decades after Detroit began to crumble as a result of shoddy management, unsustainable ideological principles and Union greed..

Then how is that the America he wants?

The dude in the vid is obviously completely bias and he never mentions the fact that the unregulated capitalist system is what has dropped your country into the worst recession since the unregulated capitalist system dropped you into your last depression almost a century ago.

He would prefer to talk about failed practices that are obviously not being implemented anymore.

Well considering that unions are a farce these days I can actually see a bigger problem. Between wages, health benefits and retirement plans how much does it cost to employ someone in say the auto industry? When the economy tanked and automobiles were not selling the manufactures still had to pay their workers. Then they receive their bailout money and the unions get a large percent of ownership of these industries. Problem is the union itself is not the workers, it represents the workers. Now how will negotiations go? The unions are supposed to be arbitrators for the workers. There are people who work just for a particular union and does not work for any of the places the union membership comes from. The American auto industry has had both foreign competition and increased standards from the US gov't. All things that cut into profit. I know that the company owners were not above playing dirty, but the unions contributed to the downfall of these companies just as much as the people who ran them.
Plus I worked for a company that was based in Canada, but had factories in NY and Roswell NM due to US content laws. It was bought out by Volvo. Volvo quickly closed up shop for our company in the states and gave our designs to their primary manufactures to avoid dealing with the US content laws. Had nothing to due with cost of labor it was just to acquire company assets!

Originally posted by Polynomial C
1 . Steven Crowder is a conservative TOOL, Fox news signs his paychecks .. he is another right-wing BRAINWASHER .. spreading conservative propaganda ..

2. Detroit has always been a Hellhole .. Obama did not destroyed the city ..

3.He is talking about the school system ... well .. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ... not Obama's program ..

Point number 1: Why do liberal marxist always want to kill the messenger? Is it propaganda that Detroit is now the absolute pits?

Point number 2: Detroit was an example of the American dream up until the 60's. Then it started to decline. Where did I say Obama destroyed the city? All I referred to was the policies of Obama and his minions are the same policies of the mayors of Detroit since 1970. This implies the United States will look like Somalia in a few years.

Point number 3: If the No Child Left Behind was such a mistake, why hasn't Obama stopped it? Also the No Child Left Behind was a CLINTON project which was endorsed by Bush. And Detroit was already well on on the road to ruin before Clinton even thought of his excellance in education program which became the No Child Left Behind.

Point number 4: If you want to debate about the decline of Detroit, quit spouting the liberal, leftist, marxist crap you get from the talking points given out by Washington, Soros, and the DNC.