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Radical Jewish sect spends Sabbath in Gaza

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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Radical Jewish sect spends Sabbath in Gaza


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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) -- Several members of an anti-Zionist Jewish sect have spent the Jewish Sabbath in Gaza with some of Israel's most bitter enemies, the militant Islamic group Hamas.

Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a leader of the radical Neturei Karta, said Saturday that his group was in Gaza to show support for the Palestinian people.

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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Unfortunately these are labeled the radical Jews but there are those Jews in Israel who in my humble opinion are on to the right path to real peace through embracing the Zionist’s state’s enemies instead of persecuting them.

These intrepid Orthodox Jews have elected to spend this Hebrew Sabbath in Gaza with members of Hamas.

To me this is exciting, and potential proof to the naysayers that attempts to peacefully coexist and mingle aren’t and won’t necessarily going to be met with violence or rejection.

This sect of Jews has a very interesting and deeply religious world view and as someone who is not per say pro-religion I do tend to respect groups like this and the Pennsylvania Dutch Amish who are religious purists who really strive to do everything that their religion tasks them as opposed to what is simply the most convenient or easiest.

I hope this story gets some play around the world and within Israel and hopefully has some kind of positive outcome towards more, bigger, and better things.

In my humble opinion the world could certainly stand having peace break out everywhere!

This story of course also illustrates that amongst the most Orthodox Jews that there is a difference in their mind between Jews and Zionists.


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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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The sect decries Israel's existence because they believe Jews must live in exile without a country of their own until the coming of the Messiah.


Now that’s religious purism! Of course a lot of people will scoff at that, but as someone not religious I often ask myself what is the point of having a religion and belonging to one if you are essentially going to cheat at it and not really follow it to the letter?

Though the article doesn’t state whether the sect lives in Israel I am gathering it does.

Judging by the tone of the article Israel seems to consider this particular sect an embarrassment but it is reassuring to know that despite Israel’s often totalitarian ways that people like this are still free to express their views even when not widely popular.

Hopefully they come back from Gaza with some good experiences to share and more Jews will take the Gaza challenge in the future!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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We once lived peacefully with the Palestinians, i believe we can live peacefully with them again. I love israel, and i respect the Palestinians desire to live in their homeland, i can understand why some of them are embittered by our nations presence. Though many of them may not be jewish they are still my brothers and sisters, after all we worship the same god.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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The sect decries Israel's existence because they believe Jews must live in exile without a country of their own until the coming of the Messiah.


If one were to read the bible, you'll see YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would be the one to restore the people to the land. He said he would do it by his hand and made no mention of the Rothschilds, Britain, the Balfour Declaration or Zionism. If one were to read the bible from a christian or messianic jewish perspective, the messiah/mashiach is the hand of God and will come when Israel is in great turmoil.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by DeathShield
We once lived peacefully with the Palestinians, i believe we can live peacefully with them again. I love israel, and i respect the Palestinians desire to live in their homeland, i can understand why some of them are embittered by our nations presence. Though many of them may not be jewish they are still my brothers and sisters, after all we worship the same god.


Those are truly beautiful sentiments and very uplifiting to hear. I have met so many wonderful Jewish and Muslim people in my life, I find it so hard to believe that there isn't a way such great people can't get along if they but try.

It's nice to know some have that hope.

Thanks for these great thoughts.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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The funny thing is that million of Muslims spend numerous Fridays in Israel, the same Israel some call genocidal,criminal,racist etc. Some of those Muslims are openly anti-Israeli.And nobody goes "WOW" about it. This is normal.
Few Jews had a Shabat in Gaza. With tolerant, multicultural Palestinians. And even those who call Israel all kind of names are amazed. Of course they were also anti-Israeli. I would like to see how Hamas reacts if instead of anti-Israeli crowd it was pro-Israeli one. If those guys could spend Shabat in Gaza, i would be amazed.
Edit: Grammar.


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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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If one were to read the bible, you'll see YHWH/HA-SHEM said he would be the one to restore the people to the land. He said he would do it by his hand and made no mention of the Rothschilds, Britain, the Balfour Declaration or Zionism. If one were to read the bible from a christian or messianic jewish perspective, the messiah/mashiach is the hand of God and will come when Israel is in great turmoil.


I wonder sometimes if those with extreme power and wealth actually come to believe through ego they are doing G-d’s work or as they consider themselves to be destined to or a divine supernatural force would work through them to shape and effect destiny.

I tend to believe its ego and hubris and that such universal force as G-d would reveal themselves clearly in their own presence and ways.

I think a lot of religious people and those of faith hunger for signs from G-d and it becomes all to easy at times for manipulative people to exploit that hunger by doing monumental but not always wise works in G-d’s name.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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Well there is such a thing as baby steps you know! A journey of a thousand miles begins with a first footfall.

I myself think its great when ever anyone reaches out to try to make a difference in a peaceful and positive way.

I don't believe the pessimists of the world truly do it any favors. After all the power of positive visualization is quite powerful.

Thanks.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Neturei Karta traditionally supports Israel's enemies - most notably Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whom members hugged at a Holocaust denial conference in 2006.


Well that is very interesting from enemy to hugs!

I think I would side with the group that gave me hugs too! Clearly another case where people have a hard time understanding the difference between Zionists and Jews!

One group is prone to give hugs, one is prone to send missiles!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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More and more true Jewish people are waking up and seeing the state of israel has NOTHING in common with the Jewish religion, besides using it as cover to commit atrocities.

There is no putting walls around people, using terror tactics to control populations, and not caring about children and women who are going to die when they drop bombs on schools.

I'm christian, but I must have missed that part of the bible.

I did however see the one where "God" threw the "israelites" out of israel, saying they could return when he said so...

But I'm pretty sure I never heard him say come on back, can someone shed light on this? Does Brittan and America count as god to give back israel?

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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 05:34 PM
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But I'm pretty sure I never heard him say come on back, can someone shed light on this? Does Brittan and America count as god to give back israel?


Technically and legally both Brittan and America exist thanks to the Grace of G-d.

That G-d is not the presumed deity that lives in the heavens though that G-d is the Vicar of Christ, the Pontificus Maximus, Rome’s Chief High Priest the Pope established by treaty in the 1100’s as G-d’s legal representative and embodiment on earth.

It would seem like actual History has Rome kicking the Jews out and Rome letting them go back.



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 06:41 PM
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WHAT IS THE NETUREI KARTA?
Neturei Karta opposed the establishment of and retain all opposition to the existence of the so-called "State of Israel"!

Neturei-Karta is the Aramaic term for "Guardians of the City. The name Neturei-Karta originates from an incident in which R. Yehudah Ha-Nassi (Rabbi Judah the Prince) sent R. Hiyya and R. Ashi on a pastoral tour of inspection. In one town they asked to see the "guardians of the city" and the city guard was paraded before them. They said that these were not the guardians of the city but its destroyers, which prompted the citizens to ask who, then, could be considered the guardians. The rabbis answered, "The scribes and the scholars," referring them to Tehillim (Psalms) Chap. 127. (Jerusalem Talmud, Tractate Hagiga. 76c).

The name was given to a group of Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem who refused (and still refuse) to recognize the existence or authority of the so-called "State of Israel" and made (and still make) a point of publicly demonstrating their position, the position of the Torah and authentic unadulterated Judaism.

The group was founded in Jerusalem, Palestine in 1938, splitting off from Agudas Yisroel. Agudas Yisroel was established in 1912 for the purpose of fighting Zionism. Gradually lured by money and honor they sold out to the "Golden-Calf" (see Exodus, XXXII) of Zionism. Those who wanted to maintain their faith and continue the struggle against Zionism, dissociated themselves from Agudas Yisroel and associated parties.


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This sect of Judaism has a fascinating history. It seems that they consider themselves the true guardians of Jerusalem as a City of G-d and are opposed to it being perverted and usurped by the City of Man.

The politics of Israel sure are interesting to say the least!


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posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 07:20 PM
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Over the years, a number of Neturei Karta activists and followers settled outside of Palestine. Some of the reasons that these individuals abandoned the country in which they and their families had lived for many generations (having lived there many years prior to the establishment of the illegitimate so-called "State of Israel") include; ideological refusal to live under the illegitimate heretical "Israeli" regime, them being exiled by the Zionist government for their insistence of remaining independent of the illegitimate heretical regime or them being unable to live a normal family life due to them and their families being persistently harassed, repeatedly incarcerated and many times even physically tortured by the Zionist police and agents. This dispersion resulted in the emergence of various Neturei Karta establishments on the broader international scene. These establishments include synagogues, educational institutions, publishing houses and organizations. The establishments in New York include three synagogues in Brooklyn (Boro Park and Williamsburg), three upstate, and organizations include the Friends of Jerusalem in NY, NY.



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Well it looks like I might have spoken a bit too soon earlier in the thread that at least the Jews that belong to this sect are free to worship and demonstrate in Israel.

It seems after doing some more research on this fascinating group of religious purists this is not entirely the case.

According to the groups own web-site their existence inside of Palestine predates the modern Zionist Israeli State and that some have since fled the land fearing the ultimate consequences of what they consider to be a heretical government ruling the land in blasphemous ways that G-d would find offensive.

It appears though that those who have stayed have been the target of some notable persecution by Zionist Israeli authorities including incarceration, torture and routine harassment.

Like the fabled Christians in Rome’s Bible they appear to be sticking to their beliefs and enduring this persecution stoically for the sake of their religious beliefs.

This appears to be yet another fascinating and little known aspect of the modern state of Israel the persecution of the most devout Orthodox Jews!

It would seem that the Palestinians aren’t alone in suffering Zionist persecution and that these arguably authentic Jews empathize and identify with them in part on account of that.

There is a story here I think many on ATS would really love to know!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Neturei Karta is not - as is often alleged - a small sect or an extremist group of "ultra-orthodox" Jews. The Neturei Karta have added nothing to nor have they taken anything away from the written and oral law of the Torah as it is expressed in the Halacha and the Shulchan Aruch. The Neturei Karta are fighting the changes and inroads made by political Zionism during the past one-hundred odd years. Guided by the rabbis of our time and under the inspiring leadership of the late Reb Amram Blau, the Neturei Karta refuse to recognize the right of anyone to establish a "Jewish" state during the present period of exile.

There are those who wish to play down the Neturei Karta and its' Torah-true beliefs. This has been attempted many a time by stating that the Neturei Karta is a minority group and that compared to other Jewish groups the Neturei Karta aren't even noticeable in terms of number.

The name Neturei Karta is a name usually given to those people who regularly pray in the Neturei Karta synagogues (Torah Ve'Yirah Jerusalem, Torah U'Tefillah London, Torah U'Tefillah NY, Beis Yehudi Upstate NY, etc.), study in or send their children to educational institutions run by Neturei Karta, or actively participate in activities, assemblies or demonstrations called by the Neturei Karta. Although it is true that the number of families which could be classified as Neturei Karta members or activists per-se is relatively small (several thousand), the number of Orthodox Jews who believe in the anti-Zionist ideology which Neturei Karta is known for, number in the hundreds of thousands.



It appears this sect feels also that there is a certain amount of misrepresentation in regards to its numbers and ways that is orchestrated against it by the Zionists.

While by their own admission the actually families that practice the ways they abide by numbers on several thousand they believe that through their demonstrations and interactions that similar Orthodox Jews opposed to Zionism number in the hundreds of thousands.

If true that is a fairly significant number considering that Zionist Israel is a nation of only a few million people.

Has Israel been hijacked by the Zionists who skillfully use the trials and travails of two thousand years of Jews in Diaspora as a means to justify criminal actions and policies for the sake of power and money?

It appears that there may be hundreds of thousands of Jews who think so!



posted on Jan, 2 2010 @ 09:51 PM
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Neturei Karta oppose the so-called "State of Israel" not because it operates secularly, but because the entire concept of a sovereign Jewish state is contrary to Jewish Law.

All the great rabbis who in accordance with Jewish Law opposed Zionism at its inception did not do so merely due to consideration of the secular lifestyles of the then Zionist leaders or even for their opposition to Torah heritage and rejection of its values and practices, but due to the fact that the entire concept of a Jewish state is in direct conflict with a number of Judaism's fundamentals.

Condemnation of and segregation from anything connected to or affiliated with the so-called modern day "State of Israel" is based on the Talmud, the key fundamental doctrine of the Oral Tradition handed down by G-d to Moses on Mt. Sinai. The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos (p. 111a), teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David). Furthermore it states that we are forbidden to rebel against the nations and that we should remain loyal citizens and we shall not attempt to leave the exile which G-d sent us into, ahead of time.



This sounds pretty cut and dry to me which kind of begs the question how Jewish are the secular Zionists.

How much of their desire to make Israel the military and economic dominant force in the Middle East is based on Judaism and how much of it is based on profit and opportunism?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 09:31 AM
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Rabbi Blau stated shortly before his death that the acceptance by the United Nations of the Zionist state as a member state constituted a grave injustice to the Jewish people. Neturei Karta hope that this great error will be corrected at the earliest opportunity. The Neturei Karta regret that the Zionist state has usurped the holy name of Israel and that the Zionists so often pretend to speak in the name of the Jewish people and assume the right to act on our behalf. Only those rabbis who have not been affected or influenced by the poison of Zionism, can be considered the spiritual leaders of today's Jewry.

The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!


A lot of very interesting and valid food for thought comes from this sect and the information they provide.

Things I think it behooves everyone concerned about the Zionists and Zionist Israel to be aware of.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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Surprisingly I was reading this article on their webpage when I found this thread. Here is their picture



15 Dec 2009: A delegation of Religious Orthodox Jews have joined British MP George Galloway in another Viva Palestina convoy to deliver aid to the citizens of Gaza.


These guys are members of Neturei Karta and this is their website: www.nkusa.org...



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Thanks for that, they look like a friendly and jovial group of men that's for sure.

Smiles do tend to win over lot's more people than bullets!



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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I did not read your post beyond the OP before putting link to the website. I see you have already discovered their link
, should've known nothing escapes you.



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