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Dr. Zahi Hawass: "Whispers of a Hebrew Presence in Egypt"

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posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 02:25 PM
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I'm not religious but it seems to me that modern Islamic theocracies have a proven record of destroying and suppressing historical artifacts to a greater extent than most other countries. So religion tainting history is alive and well.

I'm guessing you meant Jezreel aka Israel.




posted on Jan, 4 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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I only trust that man to spin stories and to omit info.

When he starts telling not only of the Hebrews but of the Anglos who were formerly knows as Hebrews, now he's got my attention. Then he would get my attention, but now, he is just an ordinary spin doctor. The jewish encyclopedia says that the lost tribes never returned and must be known by a new name. They could have gone on to tell the rest of the story, but that would have then taken the attention away from them and on to the other group. Can you say jealousy?

In case you missed it the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles mentions when Herod died and has all the stuff traditionally only related to the jews by most folks who really only know what liars like to tell them and never to the so-called lost tribes who were never really lost, just OMITTED from history on purpose. you should give it a read...you may figure out that you're from one of the lost tribes.

Truth =

Hawass =



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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In Egypt/Kemet Akhenaten/Royal Name Amenhotep IV also known as The Sun King or The Solar King, Raised Moses as his own. This angered Ramessses II his adopted brother, Possibly his real brother. Why? Because Moses along with his father Akhenaten supported Atenism while Ramessess II supported the Amun-Ra Priest because they were what he believed to be the power behind the throne. Notice how Ramessess is consecrated to the god Set. And if you know the egyptian system decently Set stabbed Orisis/Ra/Horus's other eye/The Sun leaving one eye of the sun/aten.

You can see where the burning bush of the hebrew letter shin comes from when you think of Moses & his father Akhenatens new monotheist religion of Aten. Perhaps now you know why they're not going to tell you why? So you don't know about Aten/Atenism. Because when Akhenaten was murdered for building the Great temple of Aten and shutting down the Amun-Ra priest & Karnak along with Luxor, You can see the magnitude of the change he was bringing.

Moses took the Ark & the followers of Aten & fled, After the murder of Akhenaten. Ramessess II & Sets army gave chase against Moses & his army of Aten to recover the Ark. Notice how egypt chiseled most history of Aton/Aten/Atenism away along with Akhenaten & his wife Nefertiti. But Moses his son was ables to get the monotheist religion out along with the ark. So are people looking for true jewish or atenism history?



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Deny Arrogance
I'm not religious but it seems to me that modern Islamic theocracies have a proven record of destroying and suppressing historical artifacts to a greater extent than most other countries. So religion tainting history is alive and well.


Much of the Dead Sea Scrolls information has been lost because the bedouins who found them decided tearing them up into tiny pieces and selling them to scholar that way rather than as whole scrolls would be more profitable.

[edit on 5-1-2010 by mmiichael]



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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I love that guy Hawass. He's so darling!!! Him and his mummy hunts are so fun!



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
The Hebrews Exodus remains controversial, in part, because Hawass (among others) have long denied it citing a lack of archeological finds.


It's not just Hawass... it's everyone.

There are some acknowledged traces of it (a set of seven spells or so, to keep snakes from coming around, written in Hebrew but using Egyptian hieroglyphs) that Egyptologists and folks really into the material know about. Apart from that, there's no significant material that is similar to items from Israel other than letters from kings in the region and the occasional bits of treasure from there. Just before the time of Ahkenaten, parts of Palestine/Israel/Middle East were client kingdoms of Egypt and during the time of Ahkenaten there's a series of letters from several kings in that region, talking about gifts they sent and whining that Ahkenaten isn't sending them enough money.

But there's no evidence that the Hebrews came into the country, although it might not be surprising to find the occasional tomb of a noble.

Nor is there any evidence (or mention) of a plague that caused all the firstborn children to die or graveyards full of children that died during a certain year. There would have been written records of such a disaster and tombs for the children of the wealthy telling about their tragic deaths and how so many others died at the same time.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Hi SLAYER 69

Actually, the Merenptah Victory Stele following the Egyptian conquest of Canaan (c. 1212 BCE) says, 'Behold, Ashkelon is carried off into captivity...Yisrir is laid waste, his SEED (perut) no longer exists !...' where SEED (perut) in the Egyptian hieroglyphic actually means something closer to the meaning of e.g. 'descendants' or 'sons' or 'remnant' &tc. rather than actual cereal grain--but one can see the linking ideas here (the idea that children are like the seeds from their parents, &tc.)

Few would doubt that Yisrir is etymologically related to the Hebrew 'Yisro'el' since L does not exist in hieroglyphic Egyptian at this time (R was used instead of L as a replacement letter until nearly the Greek period), so it could also read: YISLIL which is closer to 'Yisro'el'

We see the same phrase in passages such as 'THOU SHALT NOT PASS THY SEED THROUGH THE FIRE TO THE CLAN-GOD MOLECH' meaning 'you will not allow your sons (i.e. children) to be sacrificed to the clan-god Molech' or 'HE SHALL PROLONGUE HIS DAYS, HE SHALL SEE HIS SEED' i.e. he shall survive to see his sons and grandsons.

It seems very interesting to scholars that that the Meren-Ptah Victory Stele claims that 'Yisrir' was genocided completely (by the time the stele was erected) i.e. 'exterminated without remnant'...probably one of those cursing-stones probably meaning something like: 'I have destroyed Yisrir, may their seed be exterminated forever...' or is an example of Kingly Hyperbole which the rulers of many ancient kingdoms (Egypt, Akkad, Sumer &tc.) sometimes indulged in on their inscriptive monuments which were to last 'for all time'. i.e. by putting 'an extreme propagandistic spin' on historical events.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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The Nehushtan used to cure the Israelites from snake bites is found in the Book of Numbers, chapter 21:4-9, Also known as the "Brazen serpent upon the Tau/Cross." when Moses wrapped the serpent around the top part of the Crux Ansata/Ankh, So as to show his people that his brother Ramessess II and his army of Set/snakes are now dead from harming his tribe of snakes/Atons/Atens. Remember Moses Snake staff ate Sets Snake Staff, And the Nehushtan reenforces this.

The Plagues are a environmental damage that in fact happened as well like domino effects. All because the key of the osirians/Pharaohs that being the ark was being hauled off by Moses & his followers of Aten.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Hi Project

The whole convoluted (but ancient) story of the Firey Bronze Snake Idol (Numbers 21: 5-9) that was ordered by YHWH the clan god of 'Mosheh' (despite the post Exlic non-idol language found in the so-called 10 Commandments and other related prohibitions against erecting 'graven' or 'molten' gods/images 'before my faces') and even to be erected on a pole, (when 'regarded' by the benei Yisro'el) to save them from snake bite death 'that they might live' occurs near the pericope about the 'murmuring' against Moshe and his Midianite Wife--and of course Midian had a major bronze snake cult.

It looks like the cult of the desert clan god YHWH and the Cult of the Nahash were here being joined into a single cult (after all Mosheh married the daughter of Jethro, a Midianite high priest of some sort, although the so-called book of 'Exodus' actually calls him the 'high priest of YHWH')

So this whole pericope in Numbers having to do with worshipping a Midianite Pagan Bronze Snake Idol would hardly have been directed at Egypt in its current context which is not related to anything Egyptian i.e. in terms of subject--whereas the whole subject of Midian and the Midianites IS part of the same group of pericopes. ('and the benei Yisro'el begab ti murmur against Mosheh because he had married a Midianitess...')

Curious that this Bronze Snake Idol Thingy was so revered by the benei Yisro'el even AFTER the time of David and even down to the time of Hezekiah that it resided in the holy of holies in the later permanent 'temple' at Jerusalem, later to be ground to powder by Hezekiah who called the sacred Midianite Nahash-on-a-pole('snake') it 'Nehushtan' ('worthless brass') because people were' regarding it' i.e. burning incense to it, i.e. as a god, following the command of YHWH to 'regard' the Bronze Snake Idol 'so they will live'

All of which sounds curiously idolatrous to me (especially for someone like Moses, but then again his own 'brother' sometimes liked to make golden calf idols out of spare earings so go figure) though few people take the time to think of the implications of this narrative outisde of scholarly circles (as being 'bad business especially for the offering plate', you know)....



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by toasted
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I only trust that man to spin stories and to omit info.

When he starts telling not only of the Hebrews but of the Anglos who were formerly knows as Hebrews, now he's got my attention. Then he would get my attention, but now, he is just an ordinary spin doctor. The jewish encyclopedia says that the lost tribes never returned and must be known by a new name. They could have gone on to tell the rest of the story, but that would have then taken the attention away from them and on to the other group. Can you say jealousy?

In case you missed it the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles mentions when Herod died and has all the stuff traditionally only related to the jews by most folks who really only know what liars like to tell them and never to the so-called lost tribes who were never really lost, just OMITTED from history on purpose. you should give it a read...you may figure out that you're from one of the lost tribes.

Truth =

Hawass =

the british-israel stuff is a bunch of nonsense. it is based on what? appeal to silence, lack of knowledge of language and wishful thinking.
the lost tribes were NOT omitted the bible says exactly what happened to them and archaeology agrees, they were separated from judea, taken to assyria and absorbed by the population at large.
the "lost tribes" are part of the ME populations right now, they just have been so intermingled with other groups that they couldn't be considered "tribes"

what is your proof for the british-israel stuff? the same ol "look at britain! it has brit in it, hebrew has a word brit in it, it means covenant, britain must come from brit, therefor the british must be of the lost tribes!"
even though the word brit is from a semitic language, and britain comes from a name used to identify a large tribe of celts by the romans, briton is derived from the name of the tribe, pritari.
why people think the name derives from some sort of hebrew root is beyond me, when in fact it is purely indo-european, namely from latin and unless you can show latin has a hebrew origin you should reject any claims made by british-israelism
british-israelism, is purely based on antisemitism and no facts at all, it is also based on the rejection of the jews because the gospel of john says the jews killed jesus and they are cursed for it.
so instead "you" replace it with some baseless claims made about the lost tribes, since they aren't "the jews". when in fact there is no evidence that the british are remotely related to any semitic people.



posted on Jan, 5 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Project2501
In Egypt/Kemet Akhenaten/Royal Name Amenhotep IV also known as The Sun King or The Solar King, Raised Moses as his own. This angered Ramessses II his adopted brother, Possibly his real brother. Why? Because Moses along with his father Akhenaten supported Atenism while Ramessess II supported the Amun-Ra Priest because they were what he believed to be the power behind the throne. Notice how Ramessess is consecrated to the god Set. And if you know the egyptian system decently Set stabbed Orisis/Ra/Horus's other eye/The Sun leaving one eye of the sun/aten.

this a terrible understanding of the history around that time, also a poor understanding of the mythology
Ramesses II was king long after akhenaten was dead, he was hated by the people for desecrating the temples in a bid to remove any theology that didn't agree with him. akhenaten believed the other gods were mere emanations of the Aten, or the sun disc, the sun is not an eye it was a disc.

the idea that any priests had any power during akhenaten's reign is just plain wrong, akhenaten attempted to destroy anything dealing with the other gods, in fact he is known as the heretic king for that reason. its also the same reason king tut was murdered, the nobles hated the worship forced on them


You can see where the burning bush of the hebrew letter shin comes from when you think of Moses & his father Akhenatens new monotheist religion of Aten. Perhaps now you know why they're not going to tell you why?

aten was nothing like yahweh, the only simulates are, being monotheistic, and even so, the other gods were just part of aten,

So you don't know about Aten/Atenism. Because when Akhenaten was murdered for building the Great temple of Aten and shutting down the Amun-Ra priest & Karnak along with Luxor, You can see the magnitude of the change he was bringing.

there is no evidence he was murdered. his successors did reject atenism, but mostly out out what he did, not because of monotheism


Moses took the Ark & the followers of Aten & fled, After the murder of Akhenaten. Ramessess II & Sets army gave chase against Moses & his army of Aten to recover the Ark. Notice how egypt chiseled most history of Aton/Aten/Atenism away along with Akhenaten & his wife Nefertiti. But Moses his son was ables to get the monotheist religion out along with the ark. So are people looking for true jewish or atenism history?

ramesses and seti's army? what? this is purely wrong, you are off by a large number of generations.
of course you don't find a lot about akhenaten or atenism, its because people rejected it after he died and his successors returned to normal worship of the gods.
he destroyed a ton of places of worship, disbanded a majority of the priesthoods and later made it illegal to worship any other gods but aten.

the jewish religion bears no resemblance to atenism, yahweh is not the sun, he is not RA, he is not a bull, he is not horus, he is not a hawk. about the only thing you could say is the jews believed in one god.
where do you get the idea that the ark was taken from egypt? they didn't have the ark till after moses met yahweh on mount sinai!

dude seriously you need to learn about both the bible,egyptian mythology and history, nothing you said was right.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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History is written by the victors. If memory serves. The Egyptians weren't fond of writing about defeats or plagues etc. Also the reference in the stele was about victories over other nations and when it came to Israel it doesn't actually state the nation of Israel but rather a tribe. They had no nation yet they were still wandering.




posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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You either see it or you don't.!
and you couldn't have looked too hard, because the info is there, the proof is there.
For some reason tho, there's not much middle ground here, except for the rare handful who will bother to do some reading;

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_30?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262795229&sr=1-30

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262795306&sr=1-1

There are other works by Layard and Rawlinson that have good info as well.

They are not baseless claims...only disinfo people or the people they fool push that line of garbage.

And you are totally wrong about being absorbed in the M.E.....more myth making by the liars or the confused. The record shows that the assyrians escorted this HUGE number of people who the assyrians never addressed as Israelites at all to the mouth of the mountains in an area called the Dariel pass...after gathering everyone up and getting supplies they then trekked thu the caucasus mountains...there were so many of them, the name caucasian became known to describe the people who passed thru there.

The Scottish declaration also lays claim to being of the tribes. The stone of destiny [ jacobs pillow ] was used to crown queen elizabeth.

The coat of arms of Britain displays the banners of TWO of the tribes, namely Judah and Ephraim....kind of an odd banner to display if you don't have any connection.

Does the USA display the mexican flag...do you display any flags that you have no connection to? See? That just doesn't make sense, but what does make sense is there IS a connection, but you just are not aware.

If you have any genuine interest, start with the missing links in the assyrian tablets.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 10:53 AM
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[ about the only thing you could say is the jews believed in one god. ]

It's quite obvious from that statement, you have not read and understood what was going on in the Bible.


The tribes of Israelites..ALL OF THEM , not just the jews, were tempted by idol worship ALL THE TIME.....archeologists have found a buriel site where 20,000 infants had been sacrificed to molech.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
The Hebrews Exodus remains controversial, in part, because Hawass (among others) have long denied it citing a lack of archeological finds.


It's not just Hawass... it's everyone.


It is fair to say that there is such a viewpoint but it is not at all truthful to say it is everyone — unless your definition of 'everyone' excludes those you disagree with(!), a common, though intellectually unsustainable position. In fact there is a consistent underlying irony demonstrated by those in this thread seeking to dismiss evidence that supports the biblical record: they keep ignoring the evidence cited. This is highly suggestive of prejudice. Highly.

Come on, Byrd, there is very ample room for discussion of the evidence and debate as to interpretation, so why not address the issues rather than weaken your own position by pretending there is no evidence? For starters, even the brief OP offered evidence above and beyond the spells and letters you claim are the only evidence, specifically the following:


The story of the Hebrew people in Egypt is told in the Old Testament...

...There are many extra-biblical Egyptian references giving credence to the... story:

1) Slaves building monuments in Egypt - Papyrus, Leiden #348, "Distribute grain to the Habirus (or Apiru - Hebrews) who carry stones to the great pylon of Rameses," Mural paintings indicate starving men with prominent spavined ribs.)

2) An Austrian dig of dwellings and tombs at Tel-ed-Daba, Egypt, in 1989, discovered ancient cities near Goshen. Data from 800 drill cores gave evidence of a large number of Asian, non-Egyptian slaves; eleven levels at the site indicate many generations during the 12th and 13th Egyptian dynasties [compatible in duration and time period to the Biblical history of the Hebrew sojourn as slaves in Egypt]:

3) The Brooklyn Papyrus 35.1446, tells of the reign of Pharaoh Sobekhotep, containing over 95 names of slaves, more than half are Semitic, seven being Biblical names [including the name of one of the two midwives named in the Bible, "Shiphrah"],

4) In direct conformity with the Bible [the killing of male Hebrew babies - infant Moses is saved by Egyptian princess] was the discovery of unusual demographic burial data at Tel-ed-Daba - 65% of the graves were of babies less than 18 months old, compared to a normal percentage of 20-30%. In addition there were far more graves of adult females than of males (conforming to male infants being killed at birth.);

5) Historians of the 300 BC era, Eusebies and Artapanus, with ancient records from the library at Alexandria, tell of Mouses [Moses], an Egyptian prince who led a military campaign against Ethiopia. The Roman historian, Josephus and a stela fragment in the British Museum, indicate such an event occurred during the reign of Pharaoh Khenepres-Sobekhotep. Also supporting the story of the military campaign by Moses was a statue of Sobekhotep [Moses' stepfather] found on the island of Argo, proving that Egyptian conquest and authority extended to 200 kilometers from Egypt. Egyptian historians wrote that Mouses' fame caused Sobekhotep to target him [causing him to flee from Egypt to Midian - as in the Bible story, however, the Bible and the Jewish Haggadah say the cause was Moses killing an Egyptian slave-driver who was beating a Hebrew];

6) The Pharaoh of the Exodus is identified as King Dudimose, 36th ruler of the 13th Dynasty. [The Bible describes him as, "Pharaoh who knew not Joseph"].

7) M. Bietek, in his dig at Tel ed-Baba, which he dated to the middle of the 14th Dynasty, found shallow mass graves all over the city of Avaris - clear evidence of some type of sudden major and widespread catastrophe [not unlike what would result from a biblical "Tenth Plague", death of all first-born]. In addition, site-archaeology suggests that the remaining population had abandoned their homes quickly and en masse;

8) Information from the extra-biblical source of Josephus, a Roman historian born a Jew - who aided Titus in his conquest of Jerusalem in 67 AD, and was then, as a reward, given the Temple Scrolls - quotes Monetho, an Egyptian priest, circa 300 BC, regarding the "easy" conquest of mighty Egypt by the Hyksos. [Bible - Egypt's loss of its entire army of 600 chariots and charioteers at the Red Sea seems a reasonable explanation].

9) A highly important extra-biblical source of corroborative detail to many of the narratives of the ten-plagues and the Exodus events of both Bible and Hebrew-Passover-Haggadah, is the Ipuwer Papyrus Scroll - Leiden 344. Found in Egypt in the early 19th century, it was taken to the Leiden Museum in Holland where it remains. Described in many books about ancient Egypt, it is a papyrus scroll over twelve feet in length, called "Admonitions of Ipuwer". It was written during the 19th dynasty (the Middle Kingdom period) by a scribe/historian named Ipuwer, and interpreted in 1909 by A. H. Gardiner. The scroll describes violent events in Egypt which seem to parallel the Biblical ten plagues and the Exodus story - it seems a description of a society in total crisis, providing, in essence, an eyewitness account of extreme and unusual occurrences:
* "What the ancestors had foretold has happened", (Imhotep/Joseph, approximately 260 years earlier, had foretold the exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt.) [Gen. 50:24-26]
* "We don't know what has happened in the land."
* "The river is blood .. there is blood everywhere, no shortage of death .. many dead are buried in the river .. lacking are grain, charcoal .. trees are felled .. food is lacking .. great hunger and suffering". [The first plague];
* "destruction of grain" [The plague of hail or locusts];
* "animals moaning and roaming freely";
* "darkness" [The ninth plague];
* Deaths of the "children of princes, prisoners, brothers" [The tenth plague, deaths of all the first-born];
* "Gone is what yesterday has seen. See now, the land is deprived of kingship. See, all the ranks, they are not in their place .. like a herd that roams without a herdsman."
* "Poor .. have become .. of wealth .. Gold and lapis lazuli, silver and malachite, carnelian and bronze are strung on to the necks of female slaves." ["...and they requested from the Egyptians, silver and gold articles. And God made the Egyptians favor them and they granted their request." Ex. 12:35-36];
* "See, he who slept wifeless found a noblewoman .. "are no more"." (This, written long afterwards, obviously describes conditions after the loss of the Egyptian army and the upper-class male officers. Note: This also supports the request of the "royal" widow of Pharaoh, lost in the Red Sea, in a remarkable Amarna letter to the King of the neighboring Hittites, asking for one of his sons to become her new husband.


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Nor is there any evidence (or mention) of a plague that caused all the firstborn children to die or graveyards full of children that died during a certain year. There would have been written records of such a disaster and tombs for the children of the wealthy telling about their tragic deaths and how so many others died at the same time.

I refer you to points 7 and 9, above.


But there's no evidence that the Hebrews came into the country, although it might not be surprising to find the occasional tomb of a noble.

I can only ask respectfully: have you actually read the previous posts? I cited a thought-provoking Jewish author who countered this line, and suggested this cutting retort (constituting part 2 of the same) as also very worthy of consideration.

Here is an extract that is particularly germane to this thread:


Herzog, along with other archaeologists, are considered biblical minimalists (or revisionists as Dever calls them) who see very little historical value in the Bible. Revisionists, like Herzog and Prof. Israel Finkelstein have attempted to speak in a bombastic fashion on behalf of the entire school of biblical archaeology. They are so convinced of their position that they ignore any other approach that does not concur with their own...


Archaeology and the Bible by Rabbi Dovid Lichtmann

The same article likewise provides pointed arguments that contravene the (sadly blinkered) position taken by mmiichael.



posted on Jan, 6 2010 @ 12:24 PM
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The Web is rich with the history of "Moses & Akhenaten" showing the true connection of Atenism & Judeo Christian monotheism. Even Sigmund Freud got in on the action of "truth" it appears after having a client session, And claiming it as his own work. As most therapist/the-rapist do.

Notice "Akhenaten's offering to Aten" he is offering Two Bennu stones from the Phoenix/Bennu Bird. These are normally kept in the Ark that was took by Moses! Also here is "Akhenaten as a Sphinx" holding one Phoenix Sun/Bennu Bird Stone under the Ankh Rays of Aten.


The "Web Archives" appears to be rich with Moses and Akhenaten as well!



posted on Jan, 7 2010 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Project2501
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The Nehushtan used to cure the Israelites from snake bites is found in the Book of Numbers, chapter 21:4-9, Also known as the "Brazen serpent upon the Tau/Cross."


The Hebrew Serpent Spells (according to some research) date to about 2400 BC: www.redicecreations.com... and didn't have anything to do with the matters you're speaking of. I misspoke... it's not Hebrew, but proto-Caananite: www.talkingpyramids.com...

To quote from this second article:

According to the incantations, female snakes—acting as mediators for Canaanite magicians—used their multiple mouths and sexual organs to prevent other snakes from entering the mummified rulers’ remains.


I'm not sure how solid this is, since I haven't followed up on the matter.


when Moses wrapped the serpent around the top part of the Crux Ansata/Ankh,


The caduceus is an old symbol but appears to be Babylonian and far older than Ramses: en.wikipedia.org...


So as to show his people that his brother Ramessess II and his army of Set/snakes are now dead from harming his tribe of snakes/Atons/Atens. Remember Moses Snake staff ate Sets Snake Staff, And the Nehushtan reenforces this.


Except that the Egyptians were making anti-snake, anti-crocodile amulets throughout that time and up until the conquest of Egypt by Rome. And Moses isn't related to Ramses... the lineage of the rulers are known, as are their wives and children and there's no mach there.


The Plagues are a environmental damage that in fact happened as well like domino effects. All because the key of the osirians/Pharaohs that being the ark was being hauled off by Moses & his followers of Aten.


I'm not aware of the archaeological/text/geological evidence for this. Can you point me to some sources?



posted on Jun, 12 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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While those in positions of power continue to try to supress the truth, others who believe and seek, do find!

here is a link to a video on the archeological discovery of the red sea crossing.... chariots are found on the sea floor.

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posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by pause4thought
I was wondering whether people are aware of the following significant statement by Dr. Zahi Hawass concerning a Hebrew tomb in Egypt:


In my opinion, the Israelite Exodus from Egypt will remain a point of controversy amongst scientists and researchers until the Day of Judgment or until new archaeological evidence is unearthed that is able to settle this issue. However in light of the information currently available to historians and archaeologists, we can do no more than practice moderation and caution.

There have been whispers in the archaeological community following the discovery of the Aper-al tomb in the Saqqara region in the area known as Abwab al-Qotat [Doors of the Cats] by French archaeologist Alain Zivie...

The discovery of this tomb which took place almost 20 years ago remains an important archaeological event. The reason for this is that the person buried in the tomb was known as "Aper-al" and this is an Egyptianized form of a Hebrew name. Aper-al was the vizier for King Amenhotep III, and later for his son King Akhenaten. Pharaoh Akhenaten was the first ruler to institute monotheism represented by the worship of the sun which he called Aten.

... In addition to this, there has been prolonged controversy between Torah scholars and archaeologists over the credibility of Aper-al in fact being a Hebrew name. This creates the impression that Hebrews were present in Egypt during the eighteenth dynasty, and that some Egyptianized Hebrews held senior state positions.

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The controversy surrounding extra-biblical evidence of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt has long raged. I'm not happy with use of the word 'proof' in the title, but the following is a convenient little summary of some of the well-known evidence often cited (-just as a convenient starting point for anyone new to the subject): Hebrews in Egypt - extra-biblical proof

Doubtless some will already know of Dr. Zahi Hawass' tantalizing comments, and will be able to fill us in as to how the debate has developed. I'm intrigued...



Hawass is an obfuscator.

There are a cpl of anomalies that never seem to get much traction at all.

A. The anglo-saxon chronicles recall being in bondage in Egypt. and

B. That the Jews told Christ they were never in bondage to any man!

I believe both comments are accurate, so

How does one reconcile that?

Who is really whom?



posted on Jun, 13 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Arguing that Hebrews passed through Egypt is like arguing there are were once Mexicans passing through California or Irish people passing through England. Even if one is an atheist, they should be shocked if an archaeologist proved there were NO Hebrews whatsoever in ancient Egypt.




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